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On March 16 2015 20:49 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 04:23 Steveling wrote:On March 16 2015 04:17 Faruko wrote:On March 16 2015 01:47 Pandemona wrote:On March 16 2015 01:36 Faruko wrote:
People kill United, but they are only 8 points from Chelsea
which many said it was "the best team in the world" (or at least top3)
Performance wise its far from optimal, but i dont think they play as bad as people made it out 8 points with Chelsea having 1 game in hand vs Leicester, which makes it 11 points. That is also due to huge inconsistent performances by city and chelsea. Also saying that now is ok as this is best yanited performance by a million miles this whole season That says a lot more about the "best team in the world" and the "former champion" than it does about United or Arsenal Oh right, zeo was saying that chelsea is the best team in the world, lol. Having a bad day doesn't magically make you not the best team in the World.... Just sayin'
Chelsea didn't even make the quarterfinals of the CL (a two-legged competition) and were also knocked out of the FA Cup. The only thing they have to their credit is a Capital One Cup win (which isn't that prestigious) and winning the PL, which is notably weak this year.
Give up the dream. Chelsea definitely isn't the best team in the world. They've done nothing to prove it, and they even lost in the CL to a French team that isn't in first place in their own league and just lost to Bordeaux.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Taking current form into consideration I'd say Bayern and Barça are the two teams to beat in this years' CL. That can still shift in the next couple of months though. I do however think it's safe to say that the PL is leagues below La Liga this year and in the last couple of years and I don't see that changing in the next couple of years (maybe the new money injection might level the playing field). The biggest problem imo is that there is no real identity in playing style in most teams and therefore they lack strategy.
Big technical expensive players but when it comes down to it the PL is still kick and rush.
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Norway28908 Posts
bayern has looked solid (best team in the world-ish) all season
real madrid and chelsea both looked like solid contenders for that spot earlier this season, but with real, their best team in the world status seemed to coincide with ronaldo being the best player- him dropping down from peak level has really hurt them. Chelsea, well, looks like a complete team, but without the star power of any of the other.I don't think losing on a away goals against PSG necessarily means much, that can happen to anyone, but the way it happened does showcase that yeah, this season, chelsea isn't top dog. However, I myself felt that they were in the top 3-4 (prolly 3 with bayern and real) earlier in the season.
barcelona did not like a top contender earlier, but they are looking it now. Messi back in #1 spot, suarez and neymar gelling.. it's the strongest attacking trio I've ever seen assembled.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yes i agree with that. Just wish the Champions league was 2 or 3 16 man leagues every season. Top division of 16 teams play each other over the course of the season and then you see who is truly the best etc. Might have to be 8 team league, might be hard to accommodate 30 extra games for some leagues. Would cripple the qualification process i guess im not sure how it would work. But for example having a Chelsea Barca Bayern Real games every season would go a long way to seeing which team is truly top dog.
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On March 17 2015 00:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:
bayern has looked solid (best team in the world-ish) all season
real madrid and chelsea both looked like solid contenders for that spot earlier this season, but with real, their best team in the world status seemed to coincide with ronaldo being the best player- him dropping down from peak level has really hurt them. Chelsea, well, looks like a complete team, but without the star power of any of the other.I don't think losing on a away goals against PSG necessarily means much, that can happen to anyone, but the way it happened does showcase that yeah, this season, chelsea isn't top dog. However, I myself felt that they were in the top 3-4 (prolly 3 with bayern and real) earlier in the season.
barcelona did not like a top contender earlier, but they are looking it now. Messi back in #1 spot, suarez and neymar gelling.. it's the strongest attacking trio I've ever seen assembled.
With Real, don't underestimate the impact of the Modric injury. What he offers in midfield is irreplaceable.
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Norway28908 Posts
yeah I can agree with that, when I've seen them with modric he's always been instrumental.
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On March 17 2015 00:20 Pandemona wrote:
Yes i agree with that. Just wish the Champions league was 2 or 3 16 man leagues every season. Top division of 16 teams play each other over the course of the season and then you see who is truly the best etc. Might have to be 8 team league, might be hard to accommodate 30 extra games for some leagues. Would cripple the qualification process i guess im not sure how it would work. But for example having a Chelsea Barca Bayern Real games every season would go a long way to seeing which team is truly top dog.
Funny you say that, cause you have to realize that with that format, chelsea wouldn't have lucked out their CL win.
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Btw biscuits injury may affect barca the same way modrics did for rm.
Lets see what the team can do without him in these 2 big games.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Well they do have Mascherano who can fill that role but yeah, Busquets will be missed. His influence is always only felt when he's not on the starting squad. The work he does and the way the team is built around him though, he's hugely influential and very important to their success. Hope he comes back soon.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 17 2015 01:05 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 00:20 Pandemona wrote:
Yes i agree with that. Just wish the Champions league was 2 or 3 16 man leagues every season. Top division of 16 teams play each other over the course of the season and then you see who is truly the best etc. Might have to be 8 team league, might be hard to accommodate 30 extra games for some leagues. Would cripple the qualification process i guess im not sure how it would work. But for example having a Chelsea Barca Bayern Real games every season would go a long way to seeing which team is truly top dog. Funny you say that, cause you have to realize that with that format, chelsea wouldn't have lucked out their CL win.
Yeah we would have won it seasons before when we draw to Barca and go out on away goals 
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On March 17 2015 00:20 Pandemona wrote:
Yes i agree with that. Just wish the Champions league was 2 or 3 16 man leagues every season. Top division of 16 teams play each other over the course of the season and then you see who is truly the best etc. Might have to be 8 team league, might be hard to accommodate 30 extra games for some leagues. Would cripple the qualification process i guess im not sure how it would work. But for example having a Chelsea Barca Bayern Real games every season would go a long way to seeing which team is truly top dog.
I disagree i think that would be horrible. Remember a few years ago when we had like 5 or 6 Real vs Barca games over the span of four weeks or so? It was cool and all but the last games were just boring. CL is so enjoyable because it has these uncommon matchups. Also a team like PSG or Atletico would have no chance in this format just because of roster depth.
On this top 3 discussion i think i would put Bayern first but only because their key players have way more rest then Real and Barca. Like thats Reals problem right now they cant lose in the league but they have guys like Toni Kroos who played 41 games after a full season with Bayern and a full World Cup.
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Sunderland have sacked Gus Poyet. I hope this helps Burnley stay up, they play some good football and have one of the PLs' most likable managers.
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Usually i disagree with everything you are saying but i wanted to post exacly that line  ))))
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Swansea vs Liverpool was good. Swansea very unlucky to lose, Mignolet made some huge saves
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On March 17 2015 00:20 Pandemona wrote:
Yes i agree with that. Just wish the Champions league was 2 or 3 16 man leagues every season. Top division of 16 teams play each other over the course of the season and then you see who is truly the best etc. Might have to be 8 team league, might be hard to accommodate 30 extra games for some leagues. Would cripple the qualification process i guess im not sure how it would work. But for example having a Chelsea Barca Bayern Real games every season would go a long way to seeing which team is truly top dog.
that would be horrible because roster depth would then trump everything else. with the way the cl is set up right now, smaller, less rich teams still have a chance to win the cl if they can at least field a world class starting 11, like bvb or atletico did the last two season. you could also end up with a situation in which one team is leading this champions LEAGUE by a big margin many matchdays before it ends, eliminating all the suspsense. (just like what we atm have every season in germany and italy.)
imho the champions league like we have it is and should be just as much about roster depth as about maximum potential and being able to show this maximum potential on the pitch when it matters.
btw im not so sure if chelsea would have won this champions LEAGUE over manutd back in 2008. but they certainly would not have won in 2012. 
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Chelsea should and would have won the CL with Hiddink if we had decent referees in Europe.
2012 was just karma that Chelsea really deserved and I say that as someone who isn't a fan of Chelsea.
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I'm fine with either system, as long as they rename the current one to Champion's Cup. Whoever thought that up...
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