Just my take on the whole Barnes-Matic thing: totally an accident on Barnes part and like Ferrose said a total non event had Matic not reacted. He makes a pass and unfortunately his outstretched leg goes down on Matic's shin on the way down. It's kind of a strange situation though, since even as an accident he's still endangering an opponent. I think the correct decision would be to send off both players. As it stands right now Matic should have his red card erased or Barnes should be banned for the same number of games as Matic.
I think it's really similar to Nani's red against Madrid a couple years ago. He was completely focused on the ball but still caught Higuain(?) in the stomach with a high boot and deservedly got sent off.
Also the 2 tackles Ferrose linked are 10x worse, plus Ramires tackle on Coquelin that has seemingly been erased from the entire internet (agenda anyone?).
On February 24 2015 08:08 Ferrose wrote: I went back and actually watched the game, and not just the gif. The incident with Barnes and Matic was nothing. Especially in real time. I can't understand the outrage. The gif doesn't really give any context of what happened.
Barnes had received the ball from a throw in, after Courtois miskicked the ball out of play. He was being closed down from behind, so he passed the ball, right as Matic slid in for a tackle, and coincidentally caught Matic's shin. It wasn't even a tackle from Barnes, he passed the ball right as a challenge came in.
Either way, I think that if Matic doesn't lose his head, the whole thing isn't worth noting. Maybe people would have thought "oh wow that looked bad" or "he probably could have gotten a yellow for that" and then we'd forget that it even happened. This stuff happens periodically, but no one loses their minds like they have in this situation. It's usually just a yellow card and/or a talking to, and everyone moves on with their lives.
As for the "campaign against Chelsea" bullshit, two can play at this game.
Chelsea fans, remember this incident last season? Of course you don't. It wasn't even called a foul! Can you believe that?
Or how about this potential leg-breaker from Gary Cahill against Alexis Sanchez? That was only a yellow card.
Or maybe Fabregas' handball that wasn't called a penalty, from the same match?
It must be a campaign against Arsenal! Look at all this injustice I've just cherry picked for my convenience. There must be some kind of conspiracy in place so that Arsenal can't win the Premier League.
Chelsea fans are just being spoiled brats. They regularly receive favor from referees and are bankrolled by some Russian guy and can't handle the slightest of adversity. Not only that, but they're completely blowing the current incident out of proportion, and it's all the more telling when they try to justify Matic's reaction, which was a red card; there is no debate to this and no opinion. Getting up and pushing an opposing player is a straight up red card 100% of the time.
On February 24 2015 11:20 ZeroChrome wrote: Just my take on the whole Barnes-Matic thing: totally an accident on Barnes part and like Ferrose said a total non event had Matic not reacted. He makes a pass and unfortunately his outstretched leg goes down on Matic's shin on the way down. It's kind of a strange situation though, since even as an accident he's still endangering an opponent. I think the correct decision would be to send off both players. As it stands right now Matic should have his red card erased or Barnes should be banned for the same number of games as Matic.
I think it's really similar to Nani's red against Madrid a couple years ago. He was completely focused on the ball but still caught Higuain(?) in the stomach with a high boot and deservedly got sent off.
Also the 2 tackles Ferrose linked are 10x worse, plus Ramires tackle on Coquelin that has seemingly been erased from the entire internet (agenda anyone?).
10 times worse ? are we watching the same tackles ? but again, it doesnt matter if they are worse or not.
You guys are expecting that referees compensate for their terrible decisions, they should not, if you fucked it up once, you dont do it again, you try to rectify, even if it means looking like you are being biased towards one
Im not even a Chelsea fan lol, if anything im an Arsenal fan because Alexis is there
On February 24 2015 12:06 Stratos_speAr wrote: Getting up and pushing an opposing player is a straight up red card 100% of the time.
Except Vertonghen did it in front of the ref yesterday and received no punishment! Talk of a campaign against Chelsea is ridiculous, but the standard and consistency of refereeing has been dreadful this season. I fully expect Anthony Taylor to decide the league cup final on Sunday in one way or another.
On February 24 2015 11:20 ZeroChrome wrote: Just my take on the whole Barnes-Matic thing: totally an accident on Barnes part and like Ferrose said a total non event had Matic not reacted. He makes a pass and unfortunately his outstretched leg goes down on Matic's shin on the way down. It's kind of a strange situation though, since even as an accident he's still endangering an opponent. I think the correct decision would be to send off both players. As it stands right now Matic should have his red card erased or Barnes should be banned for the same number of games as Matic.
I think it's really similar to Nani's red against Madrid a couple years ago. He was completely focused on the ball but still caught Higuain(?) in the stomach with a high boot and deservedly got sent off.
Also the 2 tackles Ferrose linked are 10x worse, plus Ramires tackle on Coquelin that has seemingly been erased from the entire internet (agenda anyone?).
10 times worse ? are we watching the same tackles ? but again, it doesnt matter if they are worse or not.
You guys are expecting that referees compensate for their terrible decisions, they should not, if you fucked it up once, you dont do it again, you try to rectify, even if it means looking like you are being biased towards one
Im not even a Chelsea fan lol, if anything im an Arsenal fan because Alexis is there
You know I was surprised how much people were calling bloody murder after I saw it. I looked at it a few times and then went and checked it on TEVO. it seems like he just went through on him on the followthrough.
It looks bad because it looks like a leg breaker. But the way Matic got up right after there wasnt alot of force in their.
He left his studs on the follow through of a pass. Again I dont know if people actually play football but there is like no way to generate any danger level power from the follow through on a pass like that. Doesnt mean he cant hurt anyone. It hurts alotttt but it would have been difficult to break a leg. Maybe a 10 year old. Not a Matic.
He would either have to be coming in with alot of momentum or need to flex his leg from the knee onwards. Just try doing it yourself and see, sometimes its that simple.
And the more I look at it Matic kinda went in for the interception and got hit on the follow through so I dont know. I dont know if it calls for retrospective action because it doesnt seem like he means to hurt him. Just my 2 cents.
That having been said I do agree that the standard of refereeing is bad. Not in the decisions themselves but in the consistency. The majority of footballing laws and rules are interpretive. But that doesnt mean there shouldnt be consistency in that interpretation.
Chelsea Football Club is delighted to announce a new discounted ticket pricing category for under 20-year-olds. All other season ticket and individual match ticket prices for next season at Stamford Bridge remain frozen at 2011/12 levels.
Finally Chelsea address the issue, wish it was U21 but still U20 is very good, families taking children have just had a nice incentive to go and also students should be able to afford to go too! Hoorah
does the UK not have a concession sort of system? here in australia if you're a student at university and eligible you can get discounted prices on sporting events etc.
We have the concession system but it didn't work for football. It works at like under 5 or something and over 65. Now this adds for Chelsea U20 and Over 65 get the same price which is around like £20 cheaper than a regular ticket. It isn't perfect yet, but its a very good start.
On February 24 2015 08:08 Ferrose wrote: I went back and actually watched the game, and not just the gif. The incident with Barnes and Matic was nothing. Especially in real time. I can't understand the outrage. The gif doesn't really give any context of what happened.
Barnes had received the ball from a throw in, after Courtois miskicked the ball out of play. He was being closed down from behind, so he passed the ball, right as Matic slid in for a tackle, and coincidentally caught Matic's shin. It wasn't even a tackle from Barnes, he passed the ball right as a challenge came in.
Either way, I think that if Matic doesn't lose his head, the whole thing isn't worth noting. Maybe people would have thought "oh wow that looked bad" or "he probably could have gotten a yellow for that" and then we'd forget that it even happened. This stuff happens periodically, but no one loses their minds like they have in this situation. It's usually just a yellow card and/or a talking to, and everyone moves on with their lives.
As for the "campaign against Chelsea" bullshit, two can play at this game.
Chelsea fans, remember this incident last season? Of course you don't. It wasn't even called a foul! Can you believe that?
Or how about this potential leg-breaker from Gary Cahill against Alexis Sanchez? That was only a yellow card.
Or maybe Fabregas' handball that wasn't called a penalty, from the same match?
It must be a campaign against Arsenal! Look at all this injustice I've just cherry picked for my convenience. There must be some kind of conspiracy in place so that Arsenal can't win the Premier League.
Chelsea fans are just being spoiled brats. They regularly receive favor from referees and are bankrolled by some Russian guy and can't handle the slightest of adversity. Not only that, but they're completely blowing the current incident out of proportion, and it's all the more telling when they try to justify Matic's reaction, which was a red card; there is no debate to this and no opinion. Getting up and pushing an opposing player is a straight up red card 100% of the time.
Ex pros are the only ones justifying Matic's reaction, Chelsea forum myself and my chelsea friends all know Matic should have been sent off, even Mourinho agreed he should have been sent off. Courtois as well. What is the problem is the "tackle" which according to everybody is just an accident haha. Well if you watched the whole game like people said they have they would have seen in the 30th minute Barnes, the nice guy he is decides to jump in the air with his foot out just the same way Mangala did vs Everton a few months ago where everyone was like "omg he just fly kicked him in the back how is that not a red card" but he did it and caught Ivanovic in the leg. Not even a yellow card or a freekick.
Then in the 70th minute, he "follows through" on a pass and nearly breaks the leg of Matic in the process. There wasn't enough force to break it no that is just because he is weak, but there is ample time to get his leg out of the way and stop this. Or at least not follow through as high as he did.
As for everyone linking other tackles that has nothing to do with the point that in a game like this, where we had 2 "stone wall" penalties according to pundits across England (Commentators, MOTD pundits, Sky Sports Pundits etc) then this guy made 2 tackles that alone COULD have been red cards (lol) he doesn't even come away with a yellow card.
This is why there is a problem, if that was just the "one" incident in the game then fair enough probably. One mistake from the referee, Matic didn't help the situation with his reaction, but that is still no doubt that the referee got that one way wrong in not sending him off.
Even the Burnley manager himself said that the handball is "usually" given as a penalty. Oh well, im more annoyed that if this tackle is from a Chelsea player the world goes mental, if it was from Costa. Well his head would be hanging from the Tower of London by now.
"Issue number 100 of the CIES Football Observatory Big-5 Weekly Post presents the map of the 100 clubs that have trained the most footballers playing in 31 European top division leagues. The notion of training clubs refers to teams where players have been for at least three seasons between the ages of 15 and 21."
Sporting tied with Real Madrid in 7th xD Ajax is obviously 1st
Croatia actually has 5 representatives. gj shitty league :D
Whaaaat, Ajax beat Partizan by 3 players :|
Imagine if our 6 and your 5 clubs actually kept their players and played in the same league.. sigh
"Issue number 100 of the CIES Football Observatory Big-5 Weekly Post presents the map of the 100 clubs that have trained the most footballers playing in 31 European top division leagues. The notion of training clubs refers to teams where players have been for at least three seasons between the ages of 15 and 21."
Sporting tied with Real Madrid in 7th xD Ajax is obviously 1st
Croatia actually has 5 representatives. gj shitty league :D
Whaaaat, Ajax beat Partizan by 3 players :|
Imagine if our 6 and your 5 clubs actually kept their players and played in the same league.. sigh
On February 24 2015 08:08 Ferrose wrote: I went back and actually watched the game, and not just the gif. The incident with Barnes and Matic was nothing. Especially in real time. I can't understand the outrage. The gif doesn't really give any context of what happened.
Barnes had received the ball from a throw in, after Courtois miskicked the ball out of play. He was being closed down from behind, so he passed the ball, right as Matic slid in for a tackle, and coincidentally caught Matic's shin. It wasn't even a tackle from Barnes, he passed the ball right as a challenge came in.
Either way, I think that if Matic doesn't lose his head, the whole thing isn't worth noting. Maybe people would have thought "oh wow that looked bad" or "he probably could have gotten a yellow for that" and then we'd forget that it even happened. This stuff happens periodically, but no one loses their minds like they have in this situation. It's usually just a yellow card and/or a talking to, and everyone moves on with their lives.
As for the "campaign against Chelsea" bullshit, two can play at this game.
Chelsea fans, remember this incident last season? Of course you don't. It wasn't even called a foul! Can you believe that?
Or how about this potential leg-breaker from Gary Cahill against Alexis Sanchez? That was only a yellow card.
Or maybe Fabregas' handball that wasn't called a penalty, from the same match?
It must be a campaign against Arsenal! Look at all this injustice I've just cherry picked for my convenience. There must be some kind of conspiracy in place so that Arsenal can't win the Premier League.
Chelsea fans are just being spoiled brats. They regularly receive favor from referees and are bankrolled by some Russian guy and can't handle the slightest of adversity. Not only that, but they're completely blowing the current incident out of proportion, and it's all the more telling when they try to justify Matic's reaction, which was a red card; there is no debate to this and no opinion. Getting up and pushing an opposing player is a straight up red card 100% of the time.
Ex pros are the only ones justifying Matic's reaction, Chelsea forum myself and my chelsea friends all know Matic should have been sent off, even Mourinho agreed he should have been sent off. Courtois as well. What is the problem is the "tackle" which according to everybody is just an accident haha. Well if you watched the whole game like people said they have they would have seen in the 30th minute Barnes, the nice guy he is decides to jump in the air with his foot out just the same way Mangala did vs Everton a few months ago where everyone was like "omg he just fly kicked him in the back how is that not a red card" but he did it and caught Ivanovic in the leg. Not even a yellow card or a freekick.
Then in the 70th minute, he "follows through" on a pass and nearly breaks the leg of Matic in the process. There wasn't enough force to break it no that is just because he is weak, but there is ample time to get his leg out of the way and stop this. Or at least not follow through as high as he did.
As for everyone linking other tackles that has nothing to do with the point that in a game like this, where we had 2 "stone wall" penalties according to pundits across England (Commentators, MOTD pundits, Sky Sports Pundits etc) then this guy made 2 tackles that alone COULD have been red cards (lol) he doesn't even come away with a yellow card.
This is why there is a problem, if that was just the "one" incident in the game then fair enough probably. One mistake from the referee, Matic didn't help the situation with his reaction, but that is still no doubt that the referee got that one way wrong in not sending him off.
Even the Burnley manager himself said that the handball is "usually" given as a penalty. Oh well, im more annoyed that if this tackle is from a Chelsea player the world goes mental, if it was from Costa. Well his head would be hanging from the Tower of London by now.
I'm sorry but I am kinda over these squeaky wheel comments. You can't argue selectively when you're been burned because Mou likes to pressure refs.
Have to agree with Ferrose in that there is nothing special here aside from the over reaction. Plenty of big teams have had data like this. Here is what the Burnley coach said about the tackle And I do agree to an extent. It's a caufionable offense for sure though.
"Dyche: I said after the game, my instant impression was a coming together at an unusual angle. The pendulum motion of his leg, he swings through the ball and hits Matic on the shin. I need to make this clear, please look at the reaction from a bunch of expert footballers, the likes of John Terry, a real warrior and top-class professional, (Kurt) Zouma, big strong boys, (Branislav) Ivanovic, right on top of this moment. Jose Mourinho, a similar view to me, the crowd behind me circa 15,000, no-one reacts, excluding Matic, live-time
Now, my point is, live-time, a referee has a chance at live-speed time and if you look at the footage, the camera pans back to Jose and he's calmly talking to his assistant about what they should do. After the event, with hindsight, slow-mo, camera view, statements like criminal tackle are being used. I find that hard to adjust to when at live-time, 15,000 fans, their expert staff including a high-quality manager, their players... I played all of my life and when moments like that occur it's very rare there's not a reaction to that moment.
After the event, when you slow-mo, re-angle, it looks an ugly challenge, the ball is still made contact with. I must make it clear, when you see it slow-mo, it doesn't look a pleasant challenge, but at live speed, these are expert people who don't even flinch. A real tough one, I feel it hard to believe, all these people who have come out, especially the manager, using very strong phrases, didn't have any reaction at all at that live moment. I find that hard to accept at that live moment."
"Issue number 100 of the CIES Football Observatory Big-5 Weekly Post presents the map of the 100 clubs that have trained the most footballers playing in 31 European top division leagues. The notion of training clubs refers to teams where players have been for at least three seasons between the ages of 15 and 21."
Sporting tied with Real Madrid in 7th xD Ajax is obviously 1st
Croatia actually has 5 representatives. gj shitty league :D
Whaaaat, Ajax beat Partizan by 3 players :|
Imagine if our 6 and your 5 clubs actually kept their players and played in the same league.. sigh
On February 24 2015 08:08 Ferrose wrote: I went back and actually watched the game, and not just the gif. The incident with Barnes and Matic was nothing. Especially in real time. I can't understand the outrage. The gif doesn't really give any context of what happened.
Barnes had received the ball from a throw in, after Courtois miskicked the ball out of play. He was being closed down from behind, so he passed the ball, right as Matic slid in for a tackle, and coincidentally caught Matic's shin. It wasn't even a tackle from Barnes, he passed the ball right as a challenge came in.
Either way, I think that if Matic doesn't lose his head, the whole thing isn't worth noting. Maybe people would have thought "oh wow that looked bad" or "he probably could have gotten a yellow for that" and then we'd forget that it even happened. This stuff happens periodically, but no one loses their minds like they have in this situation. It's usually just a yellow card and/or a talking to, and everyone moves on with their lives.
As for the "campaign against Chelsea" bullshit, two can play at this game.
Chelsea fans, remember this incident last season? Of course you don't. It wasn't even called a foul! Can you believe that?
Or how about this potential leg-breaker from Gary Cahill against Alexis Sanchez? That was only a yellow card.
Or maybe Fabregas' handball that wasn't called a penalty, from the same match?
It must be a campaign against Arsenal! Look at all this injustice I've just cherry picked for my convenience. There must be some kind of conspiracy in place so that Arsenal can't win the Premier League.
Chelsea fans are just being spoiled brats. They regularly receive favor from referees and are bankrolled by some Russian guy and can't handle the slightest of adversity. Not only that, but they're completely blowing the current incident out of proportion, and it's all the more telling when they try to justify Matic's reaction, which was a red card; there is no debate to this and no opinion. Getting up and pushing an opposing player is a straight up red card 100% of the time.
Ex pros are the only ones justifying Matic's reaction, Chelsea forum myself and my chelsea friends all know Matic should have been sent off, even Mourinho agreed he should have been sent off. Courtois as well. What is the problem is the "tackle" which according to everybody is just an accident haha. Well if you watched the whole game like people said they have they would have seen in the 30th minute Barnes, the nice guy he is decides to jump in the air with his foot out just the same way Mangala did vs Everton a few months ago where everyone was like "omg he just fly kicked him in the back how is that not a red card" but he did it and caught Ivanovic in the leg. Not even a yellow card or a freekick.
Then in the 70th minute, he "follows through" on a pass and nearly breaks the leg of Matic in the process. There wasn't enough force to break it no that is just because he is weak, but there is ample time to get his leg out of the way and stop this. Or at least not follow through as high as he did.
As for everyone linking other tackles that has nothing to do with the point that in a game like this, where we had 2 "stone wall" penalties according to pundits across England (Commentators, MOTD pundits, Sky Sports Pundits etc) then this guy made 2 tackles that alone COULD have been red cards (lol) he doesn't even come away with a yellow card.
This is why there is a problem, if that was just the "one" incident in the game then fair enough probably. One mistake from the referee, Matic didn't help the situation with his reaction, but that is still no doubt that the referee got that one way wrong in not sending him off.
Even the Burnley manager himself said that the handball is "usually" given as a penalty. Oh well, im more annoyed that if this tackle is from a Chelsea player the world goes mental, if it was from Costa. Well his head would be hanging from the Tower of London by now.
I'm sorry but I am kinda over these squeaky wheel comments. You can't argue selectively when you're been burned because Mou likes to pressure refs.
Have to agree with Ferrose in that there is nothing special here aside from the over reaction. Plenty of big teams have had data like this. Here is what the Burnley coach said about the tackle And I do agree to an extent. It's a caufionable offense for sure though.
"Dyche: I said after the game, my instant impression was a coming together at an unusual angle. The pendulum motion of his leg, he swings through the ball and hits Matic on the shin. I need to make this clear, please look at the reaction from a bunch of expert footballers, the likes of John Terry, a real warrior and top-class professional, (Kurt) Zouma, big strong boys, (Branislav) Ivanovic, right on top of this moment. Jose Mourinho, a similar view to me, the crowd behind me circa 15,000, no-one reacts, excluding Matic, live-time
Now, my point is, live-time, a referee has a chance at live-speed time and if you look at the footage, the camera pans back to Jose and he's calmly talking to his assistant about what they should do. After the event, with hindsight, slow-mo, camera view, statements like criminal tackle are being used. I find that hard to adjust to when at live-time, 15,000 fans, their expert staff including a high-quality manager, their players... I played all of my life and when moments like that occur it's very rare there's not a reaction to that moment.
After the event, when you slow-mo, re-angle, it looks an ugly challenge, the ball is still made contact with. I must make it clear, when you see it slow-mo, it doesn't look a pleasant challenge, but at live speed, these are expert people who don't even flinch. A real tough one, I feel it hard to believe, all these people who have come out, especially the manager, using very strong phrases, didn't have any reaction at all at that live moment. I find that hard to accept at that live moment."
Ahh so you're saying "well at live it looked ok tackle"...so do some challenges everywhere until you look at the replay. So did the Costa stamp until you saw the replay, so do some dives. It is not until you see a replay that you get the bigger picture during live. That is why Mourinho spent most of his time on Goals on Sunday saying the referee's need video technology to help them, they do, quite clearly. The problem with technology you can't implement it with 1, FIFA in its current state because they are not that kind of governing body it seems and 2, it needs to be implemented without slowing the game down and making a 90 minute football match take like 4 hours, aka every American sport.
Every pundit, every expert says it was a VERY BAD TACKLE, please i'd love to see someone who isn't a Burnley fan or related to the club say anything else and has a credit to the game that the tackle was not a red card offense.
On February 24 2015 08:08 Ferrose wrote: I went back and actually watched the game, and not just the gif. The incident with Barnes and Matic was nothing. Especially in real time. I can't understand the outrage. The gif doesn't really give any context of what happened.
Barnes had received the ball from a throw in, after Courtois miskicked the ball out of play. He was being closed down from behind, so he passed the ball, right as Matic slid in for a tackle, and coincidentally caught Matic's shin. It wasn't even a tackle from Barnes, he passed the ball right as a challenge came in.
Either way, I think that if Matic doesn't lose his head, the whole thing isn't worth noting. Maybe people would have thought "oh wow that looked bad" or "he probably could have gotten a yellow for that" and then we'd forget that it even happened. This stuff happens periodically, but no one loses their minds like they have in this situation. It's usually just a yellow card and/or a talking to, and everyone moves on with their lives.
As for the "campaign against Chelsea" bullshit, two can play at this game.
Chelsea fans, remember this incident last season? Of course you don't. It wasn't even called a foul! Can you believe that?
Or how about this potential leg-breaker from Gary Cahill against Alexis Sanchez? That was only a yellow card.
Or maybe Fabregas' handball that wasn't called a penalty, from the same match?
It must be a campaign against Arsenal! Look at all this injustice I've just cherry picked for my convenience. There must be some kind of conspiracy in place so that Arsenal can't win the Premier League.
Chelsea fans are just being spoiled brats. They regularly receive favor from referees and are bankrolled by some Russian guy and can't handle the slightest of adversity. Not only that, but they're completely blowing the current incident out of proportion, and it's all the more telling when they try to justify Matic's reaction, which was a red card; there is no debate to this and no opinion. Getting up and pushing an opposing player is a straight up red card 100% of the time.
Ex pros are the only ones justifying Matic's reaction, Chelsea forum myself and my chelsea friends all know Matic should have been sent off, even Mourinho agreed he should have been sent off. Courtois as well. What is the problem is the "tackle" which according to everybody is just an accident haha. Well if you watched the whole game like people said they have they would have seen in the 30th minute Barnes, the nice guy he is decides to jump in the air with his foot out just the same way Mangala did vs Everton a few months ago where everyone was like "omg he just fly kicked him in the back how is that not a red card" but he did it and caught Ivanovic in the leg. Not even a yellow card or a freekick.
Then in the 70th minute, he "follows through" on a pass and nearly breaks the leg of Matic in the process. There wasn't enough force to break it no that is just because he is weak, but there is ample time to get his leg out of the way and stop this. Or at least not follow through as high as he did.
As for everyone linking other tackles that has nothing to do with the point that in a game like this, where we had 2 "stone wall" penalties according to pundits across England (Commentators, MOTD pundits, Sky Sports Pundits etc) then this guy made 2 tackles that alone COULD have been red cards (lol) he doesn't even come away with a yellow card.
This is why there is a problem, if that was just the "one" incident in the game then fair enough probably. One mistake from the referee, Matic didn't help the situation with his reaction, but that is still no doubt that the referee got that one way wrong in not sending him off.
Even the Burnley manager himself said that the handball is "usually" given as a penalty. Oh well, im more annoyed that if this tackle is from a Chelsea player the world goes mental, if it was from Costa. Well his head would be hanging from the Tower of London by now.
I'm sorry but I am kinda over these squeaky wheel comments. You can't argue selectively when you're been burned because Mou likes to pressure refs.
Have to agree with Ferrose in that there is nothing special here aside from the over reaction. Plenty of big teams have had data like this. Here is what the Burnley coach said about the tackle And I do agree to an extent. It's a caufionable offense for sure though.
"Dyche: I said after the game, my instant impression was a coming together at an unusual angle. The pendulum motion of his leg, he swings through the ball and hits Matic on the shin. I need to make this clear, please look at the reaction from a bunch of expert footballers, the likes of John Terry, a real warrior and top-class professional, (Kurt) Zouma, big strong boys, (Branislav) Ivanovic, right on top of this moment. Jose Mourinho, a similar view to me, the crowd behind me circa 15,000, no-one reacts, excluding Matic, live-time
Now, my point is, live-time, a referee has a chance at live-speed time and if you look at the footage, the camera pans back to Jose and he's calmly talking to his assistant about what they should do. After the event, with hindsight, slow-mo, camera view, statements like criminal tackle are being used. I find that hard to adjust to when at live-time, 15,000 fans, their expert staff including a high-quality manager, their players... I played all of my life and when moments like that occur it's very rare there's not a reaction to that moment.
After the event, when you slow-mo, re-angle, it looks an ugly challenge, the ball is still made contact with. I must make it clear, when you see it slow-mo, it doesn't look a pleasant challenge, but at live speed, these are expert people who don't even flinch. A real tough one, I feel it hard to believe, all these people who have come out, especially the manager, using very strong phrases, didn't have any reaction at all at that live moment. I find that hard to accept at that live moment."
Ahh so you're saying "well at live it looked ok tackle"...so do some challenges everywhere until you look at the replay. So did the Costa stamp until you saw the replay, so do some dives. It is not until you see a replay that you get the bigger picture during live. That is why Mourinho spent most of his time on Goals on Sunday saying the referee's need video technology to help them, they do, quite clearly. The problem with technology you can't implement it with 1, FIFA in its current state because they are not that kind of governing body it seems and 2, it needs to be implemented without slowing the game down and making a 90 minute football match take like 4 hours, aka every American sport.
Every pundit, every expert says it was a VERY BAD TACKLE, please i'd love to see someone who isn't a Burnley fan or related to the club say anything else and has a credit to the game that the tackle was not a red card offense.
It happens. Screaming bloody murder because it happens to Chelsea and demanding the right to reverse a referee's decision is completely childish and utterly stupid when you look at some of the challenges Chelsea players have got away with.
“The consequence for Matic could be the end of his career. I can’t find an adjective any stronger than to say 'end of career'. Matic is a lucky guy.
“I would like to know how you, Sky Sports, describe the actions of the Burnley player yesterday? My English is not good enough to find a word.
“When you say Diego's crimes because he put his foot on another man (Liverpool’s Emre Can last month) you have to say this is a criminal tackle, minimum.”
14 months ago a similarly over-the-top challenge from John Obi Mikel shattered Mikel Arteta's shinpad during an ill-tempered meeting between Arsenal and Mourinho's Chelsea at the Emirates.
“I haven’t seen the challenge from John Obi Mikel again but my ankle is swollen big time,” said the Spaniard post-match.
“He broke my shin-pad and he was late. The referee had to make the decision and he decided it wasn’t a red card," he added. When quizzed on Mikel's over-zealous tackle at the time Mourinho came to his player's defence with an impassioned response.
"The tackle is a hard one, an aggressive one - but football is for men".
Every word that comes out of Mourihno's mouth is tactical. You can't trust it, and you certainly can't base your opinion's off it. He's protecting his players, and it works because no-one's talking about dropped points or poor player performances.
This incident shows the need for technology, nothing more, nothing less. You can't go around reversing ref's decisions and everyone knows it. It would cause chaos, and its never been done before (like in the incident above).
On February 24 2015 20:05 Jockmcplop wrote: From the way all the pundits have been sticking up for Matic you would think that there's some sort of pro-Chelsea campaign going on in the media.
On February 24 2015 08:08 Ferrose wrote: I went back and actually watched the game, and not just the gif. The incident with Barnes and Matic was nothing. Especially in real time. I can't understand the outrage. The gif doesn't really give any context of what happened.
Barnes had received the ball from a throw in, after Courtois miskicked the ball out of play. He was being closed down from behind, so he passed the ball, right as Matic slid in for a tackle, and coincidentally caught Matic's shin. It wasn't even a tackle from Barnes, he passed the ball right as a challenge came in.
Either way, I think that if Matic doesn't lose his head, the whole thing isn't worth noting. Maybe people would have thought "oh wow that looked bad" or "he probably could have gotten a yellow for that" and then we'd forget that it even happened. This stuff happens periodically, but no one loses their minds like they have in this situation. It's usually just a yellow card and/or a talking to, and everyone moves on with their lives.
As for the "campaign against Chelsea" bullshit, two can play at this game.
Chelsea fans, remember this incident last season? Of course you don't. It wasn't even called a foul! Can you believe that?
Or how about this potential leg-breaker from Gary Cahill against Alexis Sanchez? That was only a yellow card.
Or maybe Fabregas' handball that wasn't called a penalty, from the same match?
It must be a campaign against Arsenal! Look at all this injustice I've just cherry picked for my convenience. There must be some kind of conspiracy in place so that Arsenal can't win the Premier League.
Chelsea fans are just being spoiled brats. They regularly receive favor from referees and are bankrolled by some Russian guy and can't handle the slightest of adversity. Not only that, but they're completely blowing the current incident out of proportion, and it's all the more telling when they try to justify Matic's reaction, which was a red card; there is no debate to this and no opinion. Getting up and pushing an opposing player is a straight up red card 100% of the time.
Ex pros are the only ones justifying Matic's reaction, Chelsea forum myself and my chelsea friends all know Matic should have been sent off, even Mourinho agreed he should have been sent off. Courtois as well. What is the problem is the "tackle" which according to everybody is just an accident haha. Well if you watched the whole game like people said they have they would have seen in the 30th minute Barnes, the nice guy he is decides to jump in the air with his foot out just the same way Mangala did vs Everton a few months ago where everyone was like "omg he just fly kicked him in the back how is that not a red card" but he did it and caught Ivanovic in the leg. Not even a yellow card or a freekick.
Then in the 70th minute, he "follows through" on a pass and nearly breaks the leg of Matic in the process. There wasn't enough force to break it no that is just because he is weak, but there is ample time to get his leg out of the way and stop this. Or at least not follow through as high as he did.
As for everyone linking other tackles that has nothing to do with the point that in a game like this, where we had 2 "stone wall" penalties according to pundits across England (Commentators, MOTD pundits, Sky Sports Pundits etc) then this guy made 2 tackles that alone COULD have been red cards (lol) he doesn't even come away with a yellow card.
This is why there is a problem, if that was just the "one" incident in the game then fair enough probably. One mistake from the referee, Matic didn't help the situation with his reaction, but that is still no doubt that the referee got that one way wrong in not sending him off.
Even the Burnley manager himself said that the handball is "usually" given as a penalty. Oh well, im more annoyed that if this tackle is from a Chelsea player the world goes mental, if it was from Costa. Well his head would be hanging from the Tower of London by now.
I'm sorry but I am kinda over these squeaky wheel comments. You can't argue selectively when you're been burned because Mou likes to pressure refs.
Have to agree with Ferrose in that there is nothing special here aside from the over reaction. Plenty of big teams have had data like this. Here is what the Burnley coach said about the tackle And I do agree to an extent. It's a caufionable offense for sure though.
"Dyche: I said after the game, my instant impression was a coming together at an unusual angle. The pendulum motion of his leg, he swings through the ball and hits Matic on the shin. I need to make this clear, please look at the reaction from a bunch of expert footballers, the likes of John Terry, a real warrior and top-class professional, (Kurt) Zouma, big strong boys, (Branislav) Ivanovic, right on top of this moment. Jose Mourinho, a similar view to me, the crowd behind me circa 15,000, no-one reacts, excluding Matic, live-time
Now, my point is, live-time, a referee has a chance at live-speed time and if you look at the footage, the camera pans back to Jose and he's calmly talking to his assistant about what they should do. After the event, with hindsight, slow-mo, camera view, statements like criminal tackle are being used. I find that hard to adjust to when at live-time, 15,000 fans, their expert staff including a high-quality manager, their players... I played all of my life and when moments like that occur it's very rare there's not a reaction to that moment.
After the event, when you slow-mo, re-angle, it looks an ugly challenge, the ball is still made contact with. I must make it clear, when you see it slow-mo, it doesn't look a pleasant challenge, but at live speed, these are expert people who don't even flinch. A real tough one, I feel it hard to believe, all these people who have come out, especially the manager, using very strong phrases, didn't have any reaction at all at that live moment. I find that hard to accept at that live moment."
Ahh so you're saying "well at live it looked ok tackle"...so do some challenges everywhere until you look at the replay. So did the Costa stamp until you saw the replay, so do some dives. It is not until you see a replay that you get the bigger picture during live. That is why Mourinho spent most of his time on Goals on Sunday saying the referee's need video technology to help them, they do, quite clearly. The problem with technology you can't implement it with 1, FIFA in its current state because they are not that kind of governing body it seems and 2, it needs to be implemented without slowing the game down and making a 90 minute football match take like 4 hours, aka every American sport.
Every pundit, every expert says it was a VERY BAD TACKLE, please i'd love to see someone who isn't a Burnley fan or related to the club say anything else and has a credit to the game that the tackle was not a red card offense.
It happens. Screaming bloody murder because it happens to Chelsea and demanding the right to reverse a referee's decision is completely childish and utterly stupid when you look at some of the challenges Chelsea players have got away with.
“The consequence for Matic could be the end of his career. I can’t find an adjective any stronger than to say 'end of career'. Matic is a lucky guy.
“I would like to know how you, Sky Sports, describe the actions of the Burnley player yesterday? My English is not good enough to find a word.
“When you say Diego's crimes because he put his foot on another man (Liverpool’s Emre Can last month) you have to say this is a criminal tackle, minimum.”
14 months ago a similarly over-the-top challenge from John Obi Mikel shattered Mikel Arteta's shinpad during an ill-tempered meeting between Arsenal and Mourinho's Chelsea at the Emirates.
“I haven’t seen the challenge from John Obi Mikel again but my ankle is swollen big time,” said the Spaniard post-match.
“He broke my shin-pad and he was late. The referee had to make the decision and he decided it wasn’t a red card," he added. When quizzed on Mikel's over-zealous tackle at the time Mourinho came to his player's defence with an impassioned response.
"The tackle is a hard one, an aggressive one - but football is for men".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ngU8nACR8 Every word that comes out of Mourihno's mouth is tactical. You can't trust it, and you certainly can't base your opinion's off it. He's protecting his players, and it works because no-one's talking about dropped points or poor player performances.
What is tactical about saying it could end his career? He trying to make the referee's aware of shite decisions, just like every single manager does. No manager has ever agreed with everything a referee does. But when a manager says it, every pundit and press lead with the same argument and still nothing is done its stupid.
Demanding the right to reverse a referee decision is because everyone thought because of how bad it was (this is pundits and commentators words) that he had missed it. Thats why everyone assumed that he was going to get punished. For the referee to see that and not even brandish a card is crazy. I for one don't mind Matic missing 3 games aslong as Barnes got the same if not more.
Chelsea are preparing a dossier of evidence that may point the finger at Jan Vertonghen, Jack Wilshere and Joe Hart as they attempt to get Nemanja Matic’s three-game ban reduced.
On February 24 2015 20:05 Jockmcplop wrote: From the way all the pundits have been sticking up for Matic you would think that there's some sort of pro-Chelsea campaign going on in the media.
On February 24 2015 20:01 Pandemona wrote:
On February 24 2015 19:49 Rebs wrote:
On February 24 2015 18:07 Pandemona wrote:
On February 24 2015 12:06 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On February 24 2015 08:08 Ferrose wrote: I went back and actually watched the game, and not just the gif. The incident with Barnes and Matic was nothing. Especially in real time. I can't understand the outrage. The gif doesn't really give any context of what happened.
Barnes had received the ball from a throw in, after Courtois miskicked the ball out of play. He was being closed down from behind, so he passed the ball, right as Matic slid in for a tackle, and coincidentally caught Matic's shin. It wasn't even a tackle from Barnes, he passed the ball right as a challenge came in.
Either way, I think that if Matic doesn't lose his head, the whole thing isn't worth noting. Maybe people would have thought "oh wow that looked bad" or "he probably could have gotten a yellow for that" and then we'd forget that it even happened. This stuff happens periodically, but no one loses their minds like they have in this situation. It's usually just a yellow card and/or a talking to, and everyone moves on with their lives.
As for the "campaign against Chelsea" bullshit, two can play at this game.
Chelsea fans, remember this incident last season? Of course you don't. It wasn't even called a foul! Can you believe that?
Or how about this potential leg-breaker from Gary Cahill against Alexis Sanchez? That was only a yellow card.
Or maybe Fabregas' handball that wasn't called a penalty, from the same match?
It must be a campaign against Arsenal! Look at all this injustice I've just cherry picked for my convenience. There must be some kind of conspiracy in place so that Arsenal can't win the Premier League.
Chelsea fans are just being spoiled brats. They regularly receive favor from referees and are bankrolled by some Russian guy and can't handle the slightest of adversity. Not only that, but they're completely blowing the current incident out of proportion, and it's all the more telling when they try to justify Matic's reaction, which was a red card; there is no debate to this and no opinion. Getting up and pushing an opposing player is a straight up red card 100% of the time.
Ex pros are the only ones justifying Matic's reaction, Chelsea forum myself and my chelsea friends all know Matic should have been sent off, even Mourinho agreed he should have been sent off. Courtois as well. What is the problem is the "tackle" which according to everybody is just an accident haha. Well if you watched the whole game like people said they have they would have seen in the 30th minute Barnes, the nice guy he is decides to jump in the air with his foot out just the same way Mangala did vs Everton a few months ago where everyone was like "omg he just fly kicked him in the back how is that not a red card" but he did it and caught Ivanovic in the leg. Not even a yellow card or a freekick.
Then in the 70th minute, he "follows through" on a pass and nearly breaks the leg of Matic in the process. There wasn't enough force to break it no that is just because he is weak, but there is ample time to get his leg out of the way and stop this. Or at least not follow through as high as he did.
As for everyone linking other tackles that has nothing to do with the point that in a game like this, where we had 2 "stone wall" penalties according to pundits across England (Commentators, MOTD pundits, Sky Sports Pundits etc) then this guy made 2 tackles that alone COULD have been red cards (lol) he doesn't even come away with a yellow card.
This is why there is a problem, if that was just the "one" incident in the game then fair enough probably. One mistake from the referee, Matic didn't help the situation with his reaction, but that is still no doubt that the referee got that one way wrong in not sending him off.
Even the Burnley manager himself said that the handball is "usually" given as a penalty. Oh well, im more annoyed that if this tackle is from a Chelsea player the world goes mental, if it was from Costa. Well his head would be hanging from the Tower of London by now.
I'm sorry but I am kinda over these squeaky wheel comments. You can't argue selectively when you're been burned because Mou likes to pressure refs.
Have to agree with Ferrose in that there is nothing special here aside from the over reaction. Plenty of big teams have had data like this. Here is what the Burnley coach said about the tackle And I do agree to an extent. It's a caufionable offense for sure though.
"Dyche: I said after the game, my instant impression was a coming together at an unusual angle. The pendulum motion of his leg, he swings through the ball and hits Matic on the shin. I need to make this clear, please look at the reaction from a bunch of expert footballers, the likes of John Terry, a real warrior and top-class professional, (Kurt) Zouma, big strong boys, (Branislav) Ivanovic, right on top of this moment. Jose Mourinho, a similar view to me, the crowd behind me circa 15,000, no-one reacts, excluding Matic, live-time
Now, my point is, live-time, a referee has a chance at live-speed time and if you look at the footage, the camera pans back to Jose and he's calmly talking to his assistant about what they should do. After the event, with hindsight, slow-mo, camera view, statements like criminal tackle are being used. I find that hard to adjust to when at live-time, 15,000 fans, their expert staff including a high-quality manager, their players... I played all of my life and when moments like that occur it's very rare there's not a reaction to that moment.
After the event, when you slow-mo, re-angle, it looks an ugly challenge, the ball is still made contact with. I must make it clear, when you see it slow-mo, it doesn't look a pleasant challenge, but at live speed, these are expert people who don't even flinch. A real tough one, I feel it hard to believe, all these people who have come out, especially the manager, using very strong phrases, didn't have any reaction at all at that live moment. I find that hard to accept at that live moment."
Ahh so you're saying "well at live it looked ok tackle"...so do some challenges everywhere until you look at the replay. So did the Costa stamp until you saw the replay, so do some dives. It is not until you see a replay that you get the bigger picture during live. That is why Mourinho spent most of his time on Goals on Sunday saying the referee's need video technology to help them, they do, quite clearly. The problem with technology you can't implement it with 1, FIFA in its current state because they are not that kind of governing body it seems and 2, it needs to be implemented without slowing the game down and making a 90 minute football match take like 4 hours, aka every American sport.
Every pundit, every expert says it was a VERY BAD TACKLE, please i'd love to see someone who isn't a Burnley fan or related to the club say anything else and has a credit to the game that the tackle was not a red card offense.
It happens. Screaming bloody murder because it happens to Chelsea and demanding the right to reverse a referee's decision is completely childish and utterly stupid when you look at some of the challenges Chelsea players have got away with.
“The consequence for Matic could be the end of his career. I can’t find an adjective any stronger than to say 'end of career'. Matic is a lucky guy.
“I would like to know how you, Sky Sports, describe the actions of the Burnley player yesterday? My English is not good enough to find a word.
“When you say Diego's crimes because he put his foot on another man (Liverpool’s Emre Can last month) you have to say this is a criminal tackle, minimum.”
14 months ago a similarly over-the-top challenge from John Obi Mikel shattered Mikel Arteta's shinpad during an ill-tempered meeting between Arsenal and Mourinho's Chelsea at the Emirates.
“I haven’t seen the challenge from John Obi Mikel again but my ankle is swollen big time,” said the Spaniard post-match.
“He broke my shin-pad and he was late. The referee had to make the decision and he decided it wasn’t a red card," he added. When quizzed on Mikel's over-zealous tackle at the time Mourinho came to his player's defence with an impassioned response.
"The tackle is a hard one, an aggressive one - but football is for men".
Every word that comes out of Mourihno's mouth is tactical. You can't trust it, and you certainly can't base your opinion's off it. He's protecting his players, and it works because no-one's talking about dropped points or poor player performances.
What is tactical about saying it could end his career? He trying to make the referee's aware of shite decisions, just like every single manager does. No manager has ever agreed with everything a referee does. But when a manager says it, every pundit and press lead with the same argument and still nothing is done its stupid.
Demanding the right to reverse a referee decision is because everyone thought because of how bad it was (this is pundits and commentators words) that he had missed it. Thats why everyone assumed that he was going to get punished. For the referee to see that and not even brandish a card is crazy. I for one don't mind Matic missing 3 games aslong as Barnes got the same if not more.
Chelsea are preparing a dossier of evidence that may point the finger at Jan Vertonghen, Jack Wilshere and Joe Hart as they attempt to get Nemanja Matic’s three-game ban reduced.
The link you posted at the end is exactly why we can't go around changing referee's decisions. Chelsea have challenged for PR reasons only, they know they won't get it reversed. If teams could start challenging the decisions and every possible red card in every game featuring a team they are soon to play it would be chaos, and you just know that Mourihno would be the first to take advantage and be challenging every decision that is made because he loves to pressure referees in the press.
I'm sorry, but maybe if he didn't do that refs would have an easier time doing their job. You can't do what Jose does and then complain when comes back and bites you on the arse. Of course, you can if you're Mourihno, because everyone hangs off his every word in this country, but some of us see how hypocritical and stupid it is.
Look at this way:
There have been times this season where players have made over 10 obvious dives between them in one match, If we could challenge and reverse referee's decisions Chelsea would have their reserve team out half the time.
What your saying every Chelsea player dives? Wtf Costa has been booked 3 times for "dives" in which every single time it was a penalty. Cahill dived vs Spurs should have got his 2nd yellow but he didn't appeal for that penalty which i assume saved him. Ivanovic is the other who might have dived i think. Not the whole team that is totally stupid accusation.
Everyone challenges most red card decisions. Every club, whether you're QPR or Man Utd they challenge red cards in England even the ones people think are actually red cards they challenge them. That is not going to stop at all.
I also know football is for men, i watch Hazard get kicked off the pitch in Paris and week in week out in the premier league. He doesn't complain he gets on with it. Most of our players play hard too, Ivanovic JT etc. But when they step out of line that get punished for being to aggressive.
Also you still not understanding EVERY manager complains about referee's whether it is Conference North or Premier league. It just doesn't get seen as much the lower division and the higher up you go the more papered it is. Mourinho this year has had a lot of bad decisions go against his team, but he is combating that with expressing these opinions as much as he can to make refs aware of it psychologically. However this so far has done the opposite and the referee's chelsea have had have been even worse than normal. Add into the fact that there has been so many bad decisions this season that the standard of refereeing has dropped.
I don't think i can recall Mou at Madrid talking about football even once. And I mean real football like tactics and interesting stuff, not about a red card or how the ref missed a pen
I'm pleased with Barça on the number 3 spot on that list
On February 24 2015 20:43 Pandemona wrote: What your saying every Chelsea player dives? Wtf Costa has been booked 3 times for "dives" in which every single time it was a penalty. Cahill dived vs Spurs should have got his 2nd yellow but he didn't appeal for that penalty which i assume saved him. Ivanovic is the other who might have dived i think. Not the whole team that is totally stupid accusation.
Everyone challenges most red card decisions. Every club, whether you're QPR or Man Utd they challenge red cards in England even the ones people think are actually red cards they challenge them. That is not going to stop at all.
I also know football is for men, i watch Hazard get kicked off the pitch in Paris and week in week out in the premier league. He doesn't complain he gets on with it. Most of our players play hard too, Ivanovic JT etc. But when they step out of line that get punished for being to aggressive.
Also you still not understanding EVERY manager complains about referee's whether it is Conference North or Premier league. It just doesn't get seen as much the lower division and the higher up you go the more papered it is. Mourinho this year has had a lot of bad decisions go against his team, but he is combating that with expressing these opinions as much as he can to make refs aware of it psychologically. However this so far has done the opposite and the referee's chelsea have had have been even worse than normal. Add into the fact that there has been so many bad decisions this season that the standard of refereeing has dropped.
Its not just Chelsea though. If we could change ref's decisions, how many bookings for diving would happen post match? How many other bookable offences would you find? Should it only apply to straight red cards? If we're going to change the rules it shouldn't be because "moan, moan, moan" it should be because the rules are unfair. You're sitting there in the position of a Chelsea fan moaning about this right now, but would you think it was fair if all of a sudden a we went back 5 years, found every red card JT should have had and applied his punishments in succession? He would never play again. And before you comment, i use JT as an example because you're a Chelsea fan, not because he's worse or better than anyone else. This applies to every team, Chelsea aren't special, i just used them as an example. I could probably go back and look at any game this season and find reasons for the majority of the players to be booked. Football is full of constant fouling, cheating, diving off the ball incidents etc. You can't go back and re-referee games. This has been decided long ago by the FA and it still applies now for a reason.
I agree with most of what you're saying in this post though. It still doesn't change anything i'm saying though. I do understand that most manager's put pressure on refs, but Mourihno is just as bad as Ferguson was.
I've an idea. Player's putting pressure on referee's to book someone is itself a bookable offence. Lets look at all the matches this year in the EPL and apply retroactive yellow cards to every player who has done this. Agreed?
"Issue number 100 of the CIES Football Observatory Big-5 Weekly Post presents the map of the 100 clubs that have trained the most footballers playing in 31 European top division leagues. The notion of training clubs refers to teams where players have been for at least three seasons between the ages of 15 and 21."
Sporting tied with Real Madrid in 7th xD Ajax is obviously 1st
Croatia actually has 5 representatives. gj shitty league :D
Whaaaat, Ajax beat Partizan by 3 players :|
Imagine if our 6 and your 5 clubs actually kept their players and played in the same league.. sigh
That would be insane. Imagine combined team, we would easily have on the strongest midfields ever.
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