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2014 - 2015 Football Thread - Page 510
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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NuclearJudas
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On January 20 2015 05:33 Greg_J wrote: Everton Vs West Brom has been pretty poor so far. What's happended to Everton? They where pushing Champions League places last year. They're sacrificing the Premier League so they can win the Europa League. @ Above: I thought that was a food nutrition label for a moment. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18770 Posts
On January 20 2015 05:33 Greg_J wrote: Everton Vs West Brom has been pretty poor so far. What's happended to Everton? They where pushing Champions League places last year. People underestimating moyes' value that's what has happened | ||
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rotta
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sharkie
Austria18770 Posts
On January 20 2015 10:55 Steveling wrote: Ballon should go to messi. Not even Barca legend Cruyff agrees with you.  | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On January 20 2015 15:31 sharkie wrote: People underestimating moyes' value that's what has happened Bit weird from Martinez though, his wigan side usually performed poorly at the start of the season mainly because his entire squad got bought out and he had to start new. This time he is the one spending the money and it hasn't worked out at all. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18770 Posts
His Wigan side only saved themselves with a lot of luck at the end of season (strong character). Keisuke Honda the man of the tournament so far <3 | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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malcram
2752 Posts
Extra points for that wonderful haircut in his final WC apperance too. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 20 2015 18:55 SatedSC2 wrote: Comparing stats without considering context? I can do that too! Neither Ronaldo nor Messi saved any penalties last year! Neither Ronaldo nor Messi kept any clean sheets last year! Neither of them made any key saves, neither of them made any key catches/punches from corners, neither of them cleared the ball as the last line of defence. Hell, neither of them won a World Cup last year, nor did they win the World Cup Golden Glove last year! Neuer should've won the award! + Show Spoiler + Obviously I am being facetious. Using stats without context is silly. Ronaldo and Messi don't play the same way, or even in the same position tbh. They play with different team-mates and their respective teams are set-up differently. You can't use stats alone to compare them and it's the obsession with these kind of stats that means players who play defensive roles are continually overlooked, because people like you don't understand the concept of context. It's quite sad... While I agree comparing stats without context is silly. At the end of the day those stats are in context. I get your point they are different players sure. But the logic is pretty bad, almost some sort of forced hipsterism. Similar to, I suppose some suggestion that playing a defender is harder than playing creative/threatening roles. The nice thing about conventional wisdom is you can usually bank on it. Usually. If anything these stats tell m ea lot. They tell me that as an attacker Ronaldo has this season 2014-15 brought his play alot closer to the way Messi plays, he feeds his team alot more, he's been picking up the ball deeper in stagnant play (as opposed to counters) and in general been a better team player than last year. Something that makes sense intuitively aswell if you have seen his play this season. Statistically you can make an apples to apples comparison between them, they are attacking players. They play "differently" is a pretty stupid generalization to ignore numbers. As far as the Ballon D'ors is concerned its pretty simple. The reason they are hogging it is because they're achievements are quantifiable and off the charts. That is also why you see David Luiz up there I would imagine, some sort of numbers. Quantative assesment by its very nature is difficult to justify when facing those sorts of numbers. Whether that should be the criteria for judging Ballon D'ors or teams of the year. , I dont know and i dont care. Its fine the way it is. . | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18770 Posts
On January 20 2015 19:57 warding wrote: Meanwhile Figo created a national shitstorm claiming that in his time there were probably better players than Messi and Ronaldo. Honestly I don't see it. It was a really fun era with arguably more balanced teams, but this just seems like the usual veteran player claiming their era was the best. I personally rate Zidane higher than Messi because he actually won big tournaments with country and clubs. Also his influence on the field was much higher. France with and without him was like day and night | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
Football skills mean nothing if your hair looks shitty. e: ødegaard to Real a done deal. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Their coach must be a true genius... With more charm than Pep, more balls than Simeone and more asshole than Mou. | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
On January 20 2015 19:59 sharkie wrote: I personally rate Zidane higher than Messi because he actually won big tournaments with country and clubs. Also his influence on the field was much higher. France with and without him was like day and night I don't think it's fair to compare based on NT feats. The success of NTs, at least in recent times, depends much more on the coming of age of golden generations rather than star players making it. Zidane played on a 'gold generation' type french team, quite unlike any recent Argentina squad, with Thuram, Desailly, Patrick Vieira, Lizarazu, Deschamps, Robert Pires, and then Henry and Trezeguet coming up and already being relevant in 2000. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 20 2015 19:59 sharkie wrote: I personally rate Zidane higher than Messi because he actually won big tournaments with country and clubs. Also his influence on the field was much higher. France with and without him was like day and night By that Logic the majority of the German and National teams who have influential players are also better players than Messi. Also France with or without Zidane in the 99-2001 period was a powerhouse. Half the reason Arsenal was so good was because of their massive French contingent. Zidane had a very normal to average 98 till the Final. Infact France till that win had a very average tournament and just got hard nosed results. Their best player's to that point was Deschamps and the back line 2006 they relied on him alot. You know what happens when teams are average and rely on talismans ? Well they usually dont win. hmm what other team was like that. Oh thats right.... Argentina in 2014... | ||
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sharkie
Austria18770 Posts
On January 20 2015 20:20 warding wrote: I don't think it's fair to compare based on NT feats. The success of NTs, at least in recent times, depends much more on the coming of age of golden generations rather than star players making it. Zidane played on a 'gold generation' type french team, quite unlike any recent Argentina squad, with Thuram, Desailly, Patrick Vieira, Lizarazu, Deschamps, Robert Pires, and then Henry and Trezeguet coming up and already being relevant in 2000. A team full of stars dont make champions though. and other countries also had their golden generations and didnt win anything. France and spains achievements (breaking the standard wc winners) should be regarded higher than it is | ||
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