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On January 20 2015 22:36 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 20:20 warding wrote:On January 20 2015 19:59 sharkie wrote:On January 20 2015 19:57 warding wrote:
Meanwhile Figo created a national shitstorm claiming that in his time there were probably better players than Messi and Ronaldo. Honestly I don't see it. It was a really fun era with arguably more balanced teams, but this just seems like the usual veteran player claiming their era was the best. I personally rate Zidane higher than Messi because he actually won big tournaments with country and clubs. Also his influence on the field was much higher. France with and without him was like day and night I don't think it's fair to compare based on NT feats. The success of NTs, at least in recent times, depends much more on the coming of age of golden generations rather than star players making it. Zidane played on a 'gold generation' type french team, quite unlike any recent Argentina squad, with Thuram, Desailly, Patrick Vieira, Lizarazu, Deschamps, Robert Pires, and then Henry and Trezeguet coming up and already being relevant in 2000. A team full of stars dont make champions though. and other countries also had their golden generations and didnt win anything. France and spains achievements (breaking the standard wc winners) should be regarded higher than it is
A team full of stars don't make champions but nearly all champions have a team full of stars. I can't even remeber the last wc or euro winner who didn't have a really good team. DK 1992?
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On January 20 2015 23:24 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 22:36 sharkie wrote:On January 20 2015 20:20 warding wrote:On January 20 2015 19:59 sharkie wrote:On January 20 2015 19:57 warding wrote:
Meanwhile Figo created a national shitstorm claiming that in his time there were probably better players than Messi and Ronaldo. Honestly I don't see it. It was a really fun era with arguably more balanced teams, but this just seems like the usual veteran player claiming their era was the best. I personally rate Zidane higher than Messi because he actually won big tournaments with country and clubs. Also his influence on the field was much higher. France with and without him was like day and night I don't think it's fair to compare based on NT feats. The success of NTs, at least in recent times, depends much more on the coming of age of golden generations rather than star players making it. Zidane played on a 'gold generation' type french team, quite unlike any recent Argentina squad, with Thuram, Desailly, Patrick Vieira, Lizarazu, Deschamps, Robert Pires, and then Henry and Trezeguet coming up and already being relevant in 2000. A team full of stars dont make champions though. and other countries also had their golden generations and didnt win anything. France and spains achievements (breaking the standard wc winners) should be regarded higher than it is A team full of stars don't make champions but nearly all champions have a team full of stars. I can't even remeber the last wc or euro winner who didn't have a really good team. DK 1992?
Greece 2004.
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On January 20 2015 23:24 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 22:36 sharkie wrote:On January 20 2015 20:20 warding wrote:On January 20 2015 19:59 sharkie wrote:On January 20 2015 19:57 warding wrote:
Meanwhile Figo created a national shitstorm claiming that in his time there were probably better players than Messi and Ronaldo. Honestly I don't see it. It was a really fun era with arguably more balanced teams, but this just seems like the usual veteran player claiming their era was the best. I personally rate Zidane higher than Messi because he actually won big tournaments with country and clubs. Also his influence on the field was much higher. France with and without him was like day and night I don't think it's fair to compare based on NT feats. The success of NTs, at least in recent times, depends much more on the coming of age of golden generations rather than star players making it. Zidane played on a 'gold generation' type french team, quite unlike any recent Argentina squad, with Thuram, Desailly, Patrick Vieira, Lizarazu, Deschamps, Robert Pires, and then Henry and Trezeguet coming up and already being relevant in 2000. A team full of stars dont make champions though. and other countries also had their golden generations and didnt win anything. France and spains achievements (breaking the standard wc winners) should be regarded higher than it is A team full of stars don't make champions but nearly all champions have a team full of stars. I can't even remeber the last wc or euro winner who didn't have a really good team. DK 1992?
Steveling is going to love you for not mentioning greece : D
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On January 21 2015 00:12 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 23:42 warding wrote:On January 20 2015 23:24 RvB wrote:On January 20 2015 22:36 sharkie wrote:On January 20 2015 20:20 warding wrote:On January 20 2015 19:59 sharkie wrote:On January 20 2015 19:57 warding wrote:
Meanwhile Figo created a national shitstorm claiming that in his time there were probably better players than Messi and Ronaldo. Honestly I don't see it. It was a really fun era with arguably more balanced teams, but this just seems like the usual veteran player claiming their era was the best. I personally rate Zidane higher than Messi because he actually won big tournaments with country and clubs. Also his influence on the field was much higher. France with and without him was like day and night I don't think it's fair to compare based on NT feats. The success of NTs, at least in recent times, depends much more on the coming of age of golden generations rather than star players making it. Zidane played on a 'gold generation' type french team, quite unlike any recent Argentina squad, with Thuram, Desailly, Patrick Vieira, Lizarazu, Deschamps, Robert Pires, and then Henry and Trezeguet coming up and already being relevant in 2000. A team full of stars dont make champions though. and other countries also had their golden generations and didnt win anything. France and spains achievements (breaking the standard wc winners) should be regarded higher than it is A team full of stars don't make champions but nearly all champions have a team full of stars. I can't even remeber the last wc or euro winner who didn't have a really good team. DK 1992? Greece 2004. They're purely evidence that defence can be just as skillful as attack. 
No Greek defender in 2004 was a star.
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Lol how could I forget Greece
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On January 21 2015 01:37 RvB wrote:
Lol how could I forget Greece
I wish I could forget. 
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Anyway I did write "personally" didn't I?
It's my opinion that Zidane is better than Messi and there are plenty of people who agree and of course disagree with me.
And there also plenty of people who disagree with Messi being the best ever or Maradonna or Pele.
There is no one single player we all agree with who is the best :p
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Both Zidane and Ronaldinho were better footballers than Messi and CR.
There's not much point in arguing this.
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Emre Can being played as a right back for Liverpool again. What a waste
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Nah, mate, he's a CB with Skrtel and Sakho. Markovic is the wing back.
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Meh, he's still better in central midfield, where he has more creative freedom with passes and tackles : /
Can no T_T
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On January 21 2015 02:06 Mensol wrote:
Both Zidane and Ronaldinho were better footballers than Messi and CR.
There's not much point in arguing this.
Well if YOU write that, the opposite must be true.
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First and foremost Messi/Ronaldo are different players than Zidane or Ronaldinho were.
It makes no sense to say "thise one was better". Better is subjective. They are different in style. If you like incredible speed and goal scoring ability u like ronaldo and messi better. If you love a player who can play beautiful passes and always make the right decision and be the main force behind the whole team often times u like Zidane.
For me Zidane is one of the most special players of all time. But at the same time messi does things no one has done before.
You cant name a single goat player anyway because they simply are different. All we now is that Zidane is definitely one of the greatest to ever play the game. As is Messi as is Ronaldo. As are many others. If you want to narrow it down to 3 or even 5 players most lists will contain Pele,Zidane and Maradonna and then two newer players .. but if u want to name 1 goat.. gl.. imo its useless.
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Olli
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I hate the Matic - Mikel midfield. Chelsea could be playing their usual game and roll Liverpool. Instead it's a dumb pressure absorbing game that this team isn't designed to do.
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Breaking news! Real madrid just purchased Sterling for 65mil Punds.
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On January 21 2015 06:03 themartinez wrote:
Breaking news! Real madrid just purchased Sterling for 65mil Punds.
Pogba+Dea Gea this summer, Sterling on next.
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Chelsea are playing like Arsenal did a month ago.
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Real seems stacked for pogba, man u move would be funny, a great replacement for yaya
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EPT
