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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 30 2014 21:59 GMT
#7841
Claudio Bravo, Man of the Match
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 22:10:07
November 30 2014 22:09 GMT
#7842
On December 01 2014 06:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 04:19 Micro_Jackson wrote:
This is more then anything a psychological thing.


I think that's being hopelessly naive. The team (and certain players in particular) simply hasn't shown the quality to be a good side.

For Hoffenheim, why not do this?

Immobile----Ramos
??----Kagawa----Aubameyang
Gündogan----Kehl
Schmelzer----Subotic----Pizsczek

Shit, put fucking Grosskreutz or anyone else not named Ginter or Mkhi in that ?? spot.

I like that and think that Großkreutz would be pretty good in that spot as he could run on Volland's nerves all day. The one thing I'm slightly negative about is Auba as a midfielder but we're lacking alternatives. Maybe I would start Jojic even though he lacks last years form. Only question is if 4-5 different languages in both offensive lines allow useful communication. As most have clearly no idea where to run they have to talk to each other.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-30 22:15:32
November 30 2014 22:10 GMT
#7843
I dunno about bravo. Side ref saved a more clear goal imo.

I actually really like both new barça keepers tho.

Oh the ref is the same that allowed the madrid goal with 2 dudes offside... last week?
Revolutionist fan
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
November 30 2014 22:49 GMT
#7844
Wait what, dortmund is last? lol
There's bad and then there's moyes bad I guess.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 30 2014 23:54 GMT
#7845
Dortmund fans finally started to take action against team o.o

http://www.goalsarena.org/tr/video/almanya-bundesliga/30-11-2014-eintracht-frankfurt-borussia-dortmund.html

Watch the last 12 seconds of the first video, they were booing etcetc.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
December 01 2014 09:28 GMT
#7846
On December 01 2014 03:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On December 01 2014 03:35 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
But don't worry guys! This isn't a bad team! It's just a 3 month run of bad form!

What a fucking joke. There's nothing that can be said. We're just fucking terrible top to bottom and there isn't a single part of their game that they do well. It's not luck, it's not form, none of those bullshit excuses. This team just isn't good. The only people that earned their spot on the pitch tonight were Aubameyang and Gundogan. How Klopp thought that starting Mkhi or Ginter was a good idea is beyond me. Those two actively make this team worse with everything they do.

This is the problem: after we hit rock-bottom now, you really have to question Zorc/Klopp for buying the players they did. And this is not a butthurt BVB fan speaking. This is someone who is really pissed but tries to be reasonable (even though that doesnt work all the time). Ginter is just aweful. I have no idea who thought he was a good buy but without him would have 3,4 or 5 goals less on the negative side. Ramos/Immobile arent even worth 2,6 millions yet alone 26 millions. Ramos CAN do ok but not really more. Micky is pretty good but shows it only 10% of the time. Gündogan is still out of form and i dont even know why Jojic is on the bench.
Its not going up with this team unless some players step up their game BIG time or Zorc/Klopp find a decent defender and someone who doesnt need 10000 attempts to score a goal.

After playday 7 or so i was sure they wouldnt end the half-season on place 13-18. On playday 10 i thought they would atleast be place 8 or so in the end. Now i dont even know if we see them in the same leagur anymore next season


I made a pretty in-depth post about this in the CL thread, but BVB's problem was that their transfers over the past two years have been almost a complete bust.

Aubameyang and Sokratis are acceptable transfers. Both are ok, but aren't star-level players. They have off-matches relatively often but they still contribute and are very good. Aubameyang is an extremely one-dimensional player (speed and middling finishing) and Sokratis makes some questionable positional decisions, so they can't be the facilitators of a winning team. They need a good cast around them.

Ramos, Immobile, and Dong Won Ji are unknowns. We haven't seen any of the latter and the two former don't get enough playing time to make a definitive decision. What we have seen of them says that they are quality finishers but they can't create chances (I criticized Lewandowski about this to an extent in the past, but he's just so fucking good that he makes up for it, whereas these two don't).

Ginter and Mkhi are just abject failures. There is literally nothing positive to say about Ginter's play at this point, and while Mkhi had/has a lot of potential and had an OK season last year, he's a complete liability on the pitch. He makes terrible passes, takes far too many touches on the ball (resulting in him losing the ball all the time), and he can't shoot to save his fucking life. If he actually gets it on target then he's accomplished something, and him actually scoring is like seeing a fucking unicorn. I have absolutely no clue why the fuck he starts.

BVB made a shitload of moves to try to shore up losing Lewandowski and Gotze, and didn't make any quality signings anywhere else. There is zero depth in the defense and the midfield could use some serious work as well; Kehl is getting old, Bender is fairly invisible most of the time, and Grosskreutz isn't half as good as people ever thought he was (he's a Jack of All Trades that was buoyed by having a great team around him; his best quality is that he doesn't make huge mistakes). Even Weidenfeller isn't that reliable because people have realized he's fucking terrible at saving shots that go low; he lets in an embarrassing amount of shots 5-hole (through the legs) or around his ankles.

This team made a complete bust and wasted a lot of money in the last two transfer windows and the only way they don't get relegated is if they make some big fucking moves during the winter window. They are undoubtedly and definitely the worst team in the Bundesliga at the moment and it's simply because the team lacks quality; all of the potential that they bought has translated to jack squat on the pitch.


You cant just blame everything on the players that would be too simple. I mean all other Bundsliga teams are in front of Dortmund right now, even Bremen, Freiburg etc. They have WAY worse players than Dortmund so that just cant be an excuse. Maybe if Dortmund was like rank 10th you could say that the players dont cut it but not if you are that far down.
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ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
December 01 2014 10:06 GMT
#7847
I've just checked the weekend results from major leagues around europe, and regret not seeing any game Looks like van Gaal and his team are slowly clawing their way to CL spot, good for them, Lampard is as deadly as ever, too bad it happened at the expense of Southampton.

I see that PL has some games mid-week this week so I'll be sure to watch some!
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 01 2014 10:07 GMT
#7848
On December 01 2014 07:49 Steveling wrote:
Wait what, dortmund is last? lol
There's bad and then there's moyes bad I guess.


Hey Moyes is undefeated at Sociedad

0-0 first game
3-0 2nd game xD
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
December 01 2014 13:21 GMT
#7849
Moyes is like Sam Allardyce, give him a mediocre side and he will grind out results and make a steady climb up the table. He's a fine manager in his own right, but a top team requires a different kind of manager.

Btw Klopp can be scratched off the list for possible successors to Wenger, if he can't deal with having his best players sold every year to rivals that he can't manage Arsenal I think the best candidate is Frank de Boer.
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2394 Posts
December 01 2014 16:57 GMT
#7850
Ronaldo, Messi and Neuer in the shortlist for the Ballon d'Or, more or less as expected.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
December 01 2014 17:02 GMT
#7851
Just checked Neuer's trophies this year and holy shit. Of course Ronaldo last year got it without any trophie won, so I can't possibly see the keeper winning.
Revolutionist fan
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 17:35:31
December 01 2014 17:34 GMT
#7852
--- Nuked ---
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
December 01 2014 17:40 GMT
#7853
Messi should win it and if not then neuer.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
December 01 2014 17:50 GMT
#7854
On December 02 2014 02:02 Salteador Neo wrote:
Just checked Neuer's trophies this year and holy shit. Of course Ronaldo last year got it without any trophie won, so I can't possibly see the keeper winning.


My heart wants Neuer to win. My mind knows that all that matters is that your name is Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo, as 2010 proved.

@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18595 Posts
December 01 2014 17:54 GMT
#7855
On December 02 2014 02:40 Steveling wrote:
Messi should win it and if not then neuer.


What did Messi achieve this year?

THIS YEAR, stop counting past achievements.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
December 01 2014 18:13 GMT
#7856
On December 02 2014 02:54 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 02:40 Steveling wrote:
Messi should win it and if not then neuer.


What did Messi achieve this year?

THIS YEAR, stop counting past achievements.

He finally showed up for Argentina at a big tournament. Let's give him some credit for that. He doesnt have the same supporting cast there as he does at Barca. I think without him Argentina would have made the quarterfinals at most. If people would look at his world cup performance without knowing what does at Barca, he would have gotten so much more praise for his wc performance.

That being said (and with ofc with my german bias in mind), I still believe Neuer should win it.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
December 01 2014 18:14 GMT
#7857
This year Messi achieved some nice stuff actually. Most goals ever in liga and cl. WC finals and (ehem) mvp. And in total he is only like...2 or 3 goals? behind CR with around 7 less penalties. And of course more assists.

If he won this year it would be less of a fraud than last year. But he won't because he does not deserve it.

Revolutionist fan
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 19:07:06
December 01 2014 19:04 GMT
#7858
He got some nice personal records to his name, but Barcelona and Argentina came up short when it mattered and so did Messi. To me Messi is a good third choice behind Neuer and Robben. Robben because he was excellent for Bayern and was a penalty shoot-out away from dragging the Netherlands to the finals with a far inferior team to that of Messi.

What Ronaldo is doing there is anyone's guess. Guy was injured for the most important phase of the year and yet bagging in lots of goals against relegation candidates makes him better than what Robben did this year?
daSilvaz
Profile Joined June 2011
809 Posts
December 01 2014 19:35 GMT
#7859
On December 02 2014 02:40 Steveling wrote:
Messi should win it and if not then neuer.

Funny i never saw such campaigns over a GOD called Gianluigi Buffon and was at his prime much better than Neuer, guess being german has it's perks.
Having said that, these kind of awards are dumb as fuck.
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
December 01 2014 19:56 GMT
#7860
On December 02 2014 04:35 daSilvaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 02:40 Steveling wrote:
Messi should win it and if not then neuer.

Funny i never saw such campaigns over a GOD called Gianluigi Buffon and was at his prime much better than Neuer, guess being german has it's perks.
Having said that, these kind of awards are dumb as fuck.


I really disagree with that. Dont get me wrong Buffon was and is still great but he is a goal line keeper with great reflexes. Outside the box he relied on his great speed.

But he is a 90s goalie which means he isnt great with the ball on his foot. I made an argument in the past that Oliver Kahn, a real legend would not make the roster of 2014 german team because he isnt good enough on the ball which is at least 50% of Neuers play.
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