2014 - 2015 Football Thread - Page 391

On December 01 2014 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
But don't worry guys! This isn't a bad team! It's just a 3 month run of bad form!

What a fucking joke. There's nothing that can be said. We're just fucking terrible top to bottom and there isn't a single part of their game that they do well. It's not luck, it's not form, none of those bullshit excuses. This team just isn't good. The only people that earned their spot on the pitch tonight were Aubameyang and Gundogan. How Klopp thought that starting Mkhi or Ginter was a good idea is beyond me. Those two actively make this team worse with everything they do.

On December 01 2014 03:35 BlackCompany wrote:

This is the problem: after we hit rock-bottom now, you really have to question Zorc/Klopp for buying the players they did. And this is not a butthurt BVB fan speaking. This is someone who is really pissed but tries to be reasonable (even though that doesnt work all the time). Ginter is just aweful. I have no idea who thought he was a good buy but without him would have 3,4 or 5 goals less on the negative side. Ramos/Immobile arent even worth 2,6 millions yet alone 26 millions. Ramos CAN do ok but not really more. Micky is pretty good but shows it only 10% of the time. Gündogan is still out of form and i dont even know why Jojic is on the bench.
Its not going up with this team unless some players step up their game BIG time or Zorc/Klopp find a decent defender and someone who doesnt need 10000 attempts to score a goal.

After playday 7 or so i was sure they wouldnt end the half-season on place 13-18. On playday 10 i thought they would atleast be place 8 or so in the end. Now i dont even know if we see them in the same leagur anymore next season

On December 01 2014 03:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:


I made a pretty in-depth post about this in the CL thread, but BVB's problem was that their transfers over the past two years have been almost a complete bust.

Aubameyang and Sokratis are acceptable transfers. Both are ok, but aren't star-level players. They have off-matches relatively often but they still contribute and are very good. Aubameyang is an extremely one-dimensional player (speed and middling finishing) and Sokratis makes some questionable positional decisions, so they can't be the facilitators of a winning team. They need a good cast around them.

Ramos, Immobile, and Dong Won Ji are unknowns. We haven't seen any of the latter and the two former don't get enough playing time to make a definitive decision. What we have seen of them says that they are quality finishers but they can't create chances (I criticized Lewandowski about this to an extent in the past, but he's just so fucking good that he makes up for it, whereas these two don't).

Ginter and Mkhi are just abject failures. There is literally nothing positive to say about Ginter's play at this point, and while Mkhi had/has a lot of potential and had an OK season last year, he's a complete liability on the pitch. He makes terrible passes, takes far too many touches on the ball (resulting in him losing the ball all the time), and he can't shoot to save his fucking life. If he actually gets it on target then he's accomplished something, and him actually scoring is like seeing a fucking unicorn. I have absolutely no clue why the fuck he starts.

BVB made a shitload of moves to try to shore up losing Lewandowski and Gotze, and didn't make any quality signings anywhere else. There is zero depth in the defense and the midfield could use some serious work as well; Kehl is getting old, Bender is fairly invisible most of the time, and Grosskreutz isn't half as good as people ever thought he was (he's a Jack of All Trades that was buoyed by having a great team around him; his best quality is that he doesn't make huge mistakes). Even Weidenfeller isn't that reliable because people have realized he's fucking terrible at saving shots that go low; he lets in an embarrassing amount of shots 5-hole (through the legs) or around his ankles.

This team made a complete bust and wasted a lot of money in the last two transfer windows and the only way they don't get relegated is if they make some big fucking moves during the winter window. They are undoubtedly and definitely the worst team in the Bundesliga at the moment and it's simply because the team lacks quality; all of the potential that they bought has translated to jack squat on the pitch.

On December 01 2014 05:26 smr wrote:

I guess Dortmund would need to concentrate on the japanese (no idea how much marketing power we have with Kagawa. We should start playing Maruoka and show those young guys what they can achieve in Dortmund.) or the middle-east-european market. But that doesn't sound as awesome as "the next brazilian super talent" I have to admit. Still it's something I wouldn't mind seeing as a corporate strategy.

The 4th place isn't far away that's right but as Stratos_spear said we're not just on a bad run anymore. 2 of the next 3 Bundesliga teams we'll meet are Hoffenheim and Wolfsburg. We haven't look too solid against them during the last season. The third is Berlin and as we sold Schieber to them he's going to score atleast twice in that match. If you'd ask a Dortmund fan if they would take 3pts out of those 3 games I guess 50% would instantly sign that. And suddenly it's christmas and after the last game against Bremen 10 points became 16 or worst case 22. Should we get to 10th place somewhat soon we can talk about 4th to 6th place but at this moment it would just take the heat of the situation which is not what is needed.