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On November 27 2014 21:17 Pandemona wrote:
No i didn't stop reading into things.
I said you think Messi is better than Ronaldo, that is fine. I think they are both fucking awesome world class etc. However my opinion (like yours on Messi) is i prefer Ronaldo due to his power and height. That is all. Personal opinion.
We really need draw a line underneath this shit is pissing me off now. Everyone express their opinion thats fine, post stats about your favorite player is fine. Posting stats than saying MESSI IS BETTER and starting a shit posting bonanza is not fine. Posting the stats is.
I bet you are one of those people that think that everything is subjective and that nicky minaj's(spelling?) music is the same thing as Tchaikovsky's.
I'm sry mate but it's not and messi is just better no matter how you spin it.(lol cristiano is better cause he's more powerful and tall? whats this)
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On November 27 2014 01:14 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 01:11 zeo wrote:On November 27 2014 00:31 funkie wrote:On November 27 2014 00:00 Mafe wrote:On November 26 2014 22:58 Ketch wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/x4x04qn.jpg) This is my best team given the available players I rate the world-cup performances very high as well Also I always dislike how Robben / Di Maria are classified as midfielders.. stupid. Edit: lol just realized I have almost only Real/ Bayern players... what is that Barca guy doing in my team?? Surely you were tricked by the fact that he's also wearing a red-blue-strpied shirt. And that he is probably the best most overhyped player in the history of the game. #justsaying. Fixed that for you. Declaration of war accepted. Tell me zeo, who is the best player according to you?
Accepted. Last season Suarez was the best player in the world, just look at how much he carried Liverpool. People don't even care about how Messi and Ronaldo play anymore, they have just been hyped as the best players in the world for so long nobody really thinks about giving that title to somebody else. They play in lol-liga anyway.
Fabregas and Hazard play better than Messi (current form Messi).
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Ok zeo, I'm sry but I can't take you srsly when you say that.
Btw come on in steam and I'll put you in your place you silly bpl fanboi, xP.
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Mate, I really hope we draw Barcelona in a CL round this season. The fanboi tears when we roll you guys are going to be delicious.
Hell even Torres scored more goals against Barcelona than Messi scored against Chelsea.
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That's some proper banter mate.
Now it would be nice for you if you rolled us but don't forget that mou always parks the bus in important games.
So don't be fooled by the pretty football you play now cause come march you will be playing with 7 defenders again.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
There are no players currently playing in the premier league that are top 10 in the world, sorry. And no, Suarez wasn't the best player in the world last year. And La Liga the last few years destroys the Premier League with your 'lolliga'.
Ehh fuck it I'm not gonna join this discussion again.
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On November 27 2014 21:47 Steveling wrote:
That's some proper banter mate.
Now it would be nice for you if you rolled us but don't forget that mou always parks the bus in important games.
So don't be fooled by the pretty football you play now cause come march you will be playing with 7 defenders again.
Yeah i'm really looking forward to turtleChelsea again :/
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Chelsea has been playing some proper football this year tho. Unless Mou chickens out, it should be some great games :D
I sure would love me some Barça vs Blues.
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On November 27 2014 21:47 Steveling wrote:
That's some proper banter mate.
Now it would be nice for you if you rolled us but don't forget that mou always parks the bus in important games.
So don't be fooled by the pretty football you play now cause come march you will be playing with 7 defenders again.
The first Mourinho era at Chelsea was some of the most swashbuckling attacking football England had ever seen (all those broken goal scoring records back me up). Don't forget the 4:2 score at the bridge in 2005 when we went up 3:0 in the first 20min.
Now that we actually have a striker our game cannot be compared to last season's. Chelsea has the most complete team in the world right now, in the sense that we can play whatever football we want at a world-class level. We're not pigeon-holed into playing one style, rather Mourinho can look at the opposing team and say 'right, to counter the other team play attacking/defensive/possession football' and the team can play it naturally.
You can have 11 Messi's in your team but you won't beat a 'complete' team. Which is why all these popularity contests about the best players in the world don't really matter in the end. Real bought all these superstar players and other than getting a nickname 'Galacticos', collecting superstars got them nothing until Mourinho came along and started building a 'team'.
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On November 27 2014 21:31 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:17 Pandemona wrote:
No i didn't stop reading into things.
I said you think Messi is better than Ronaldo, that is fine. I think they are both fucking awesome world class etc. However my opinion (like yours on Messi) is i prefer Ronaldo due to his power and height. That is all. Personal opinion.
We really need draw a line underneath this shit is pissing me off now. Everyone express their opinion thats fine, post stats about your favorite player is fine. Posting stats than saying MESSI IS BETTER and starting a shit posting bonanza is not fine. Posting the stats is. I bet you are one of those people that think that everything is subjective and that nicky minaj's(spelling?) music is the same thing as Tchaikovsky's. I'm sry mate but it's not and messi is just better no matter how you spin it.(lol cristiano is better cause he's more powerful and tall? whats this)
Steveling, you are in no place to call anyone on bias. You are easily the single most biased person in this thread when it comes to talking about Messi.
Making the comparison of Messi-Ronaldo and Tchaikovsky-Nicki Minaj is not only incredibly insulting but just goes to show that you are so biased that you can't be trusted in these kinds of conversations.
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On November 27 2014 22:11 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:31 Steveling wrote:On November 27 2014 21:17 Pandemona wrote:
No i didn't stop reading into things.
I said you think Messi is better than Ronaldo, that is fine. I think they are both fucking awesome world class etc. However my opinion (like yours on Messi) is i prefer Ronaldo due to his power and height. That is all. Personal opinion.
We really need draw a line underneath this shit is pissing me off now. Everyone express their opinion thats fine, post stats about your favorite player is fine. Posting stats than saying MESSI IS BETTER and starting a shit posting bonanza is not fine. Posting the stats is. I bet you are one of those people that think that everything is subjective and that nicky minaj's(spelling?) music is the same thing as Tchaikovsky's. I'm sry mate but it's not and messi is just better no matter how you spin it.(lol cristiano is better cause he's more powerful and tall? whats this) Steveling, you are in no place to call anyone on bias. You are easily the single most biased person in this thread when it comes to talking about Messi. Making the comparison of Messi-Ronaldo and Tchaikovsky-Nicki Minaj is not only incredibly insulting but just goes to show that you are so biased that you can't be trusted in these kinds of conversations.
They're both the best at what they do, but they are such different players its really hard to compare them. Messi is better at some stuff, Ronaldo is better at other stuff.
This argument has gone on for years, and no-one's any closer to resolving it. Maybe that should tell us that it can't be resolved/
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On November 27 2014 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:11 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 27 2014 21:31 Steveling wrote:On November 27 2014 21:17 Pandemona wrote:
No i didn't stop reading into things.
I said you think Messi is better than Ronaldo, that is fine. I think they are both fucking awesome world class etc. However my opinion (like yours on Messi) is i prefer Ronaldo due to his power and height. That is all. Personal opinion.
We really need draw a line underneath this shit is pissing me off now. Everyone express their opinion thats fine, post stats about your favorite player is fine. Posting stats than saying MESSI IS BETTER and starting a shit posting bonanza is not fine. Posting the stats is. I bet you are one of those people that think that everything is subjective and that nicky minaj's(spelling?) music is the same thing as Tchaikovsky's. I'm sry mate but it's not and messi is just better no matter how you spin it.(lol cristiano is better cause he's more powerful and tall? whats this) Steveling, you are in no place to call anyone on bias. You are easily the single most biased person in this thread when it comes to talking about Messi. Making the comparison of Messi-Ronaldo and Tchaikovsky-Nicki Minaj is not only incredibly insulting but just goes to show that you are so biased that you can't be trusted in these kinds of conversations. They're both the best at what they do, but they are such different players its really hard to compare them. Messi is better at some stuff, Ronaldo is better at other stuff. This argument has gone on for years, and no-one's any closer to resolving it. Maybe that should tell us that it can't be resolved/
That is what im trying to say but i just got shot down and called bias. Just because i said i prefered Ronaldo in my post TT i even said Messi is better dribbler and ducker/diver between defenders where as Ronaldo is just running with his strength passed people and scoring more headers etc. Doesn't make either of them better than the other either.
Then i said some people who like X team will prefer Y player because of what they are brought up on.
Needs to stop this debate though and fast before it destroys this thread because it is bullshit, like trying to pick between 2 identical twin sisters.
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So, wait pande, in the last few years(since cristiano joined rm), messi has more goals, more assists, in less games than cristiano with better converting ratio of chance per goal and you claim that they are the same?
Sounds to me like you are just bitter and don't want to admit the obvious.
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On November 27 2014 20:45 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 20:40 Arevall wrote:Ronaldo has more goals per minute in La liga  No, lol. Since cristiano joined rm, messi has more goals something around 10, a heckload more assists 40+ and all that in fewer games. Also, most goals scored in european cups against: messi against milan, cristiano against galatasaray. Most goals scored in la liga against: messi against real madrid, cristiano against getafe. Most international goals against: messi against brazil, cristiano against sweden.
i mean, i can't imagine how ronaldo could possibly score more vs brazil than messi, considering that messi plays for argentina, which is in south america, and ronaldo plays for portugal, which is in europe. isn't it a given that argentina would obviously play brazil way more times?
http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/messi-intlg.html 6 times
http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/cronaldo-intlg.html 3 times
not sure if this is correct, but messi has only played brazil 6 times? that is certainly WAY fewer than i would have expected.
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On November 27 2014 22:31 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 20:45 Steveling wrote:On November 27 2014 20:40 Arevall wrote:Ronaldo has more goals per minute in La liga No, lol. Since cristiano joined rm, messi has more goals something around 10, a heckload more assists 40+ and all that in fewer games. Also, most goals scored in european cups against: messi against milan, cristiano against galatasaray. Most goals scored in la liga against: messi against real madrid, cristiano against getafe. Most international goals against: messi against brazil, cristiano against sweden. i mean, i can't imagine how ronaldo could possibly score more vs brazil than messi, considering that messi plays for argentina, which is in south america, and ronaldo plays for portugal, which is in europe. isn't it a given that argentina would obviously play brazil way more times? http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/messi-intlg.html 6 times http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/cronaldo-intlg.html 3 times not sure if this is correct, but messi has only played brazil 6 times? that is certainly WAY fewer than i would have expected.
This went way over your head, lol.
The point is that he has his record against a weak team.
So yeah, cristiano coudn't have his record against brazil, no shit, he could have set his record against lets say germany though or italy or spain.
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On November 27 2014 22:30 Steveling wrote:
So, wait pande, in the last few years(since cristiano joined rm), messi has more goals, more assists, in less games than cristiano with better converting ratio of chance per goal and you claim that they are the same?
Sounds to me like you are just bitter and don't want to admit the obvious.
This sounded like bullshit so I checked the numbers. Since Ronaldo joined Real, Messi has 291 goals in 281 games, and Ronaldo has 278 in 265. So, Messi has played in 16 more games and has scored 13 more goals, meaning that Ronaldo's goalscoring ratio is actually fractionally better. I couldn't care less about the Messi vs. Ronaldo debate (why not just enjoy them both?), but pulling stats out of thin air is not the best way to argue.
And yes, I'm fully prepared for the reply in which you completely sidestep the goal issue and point out Messi's assists, trophies, fashion choices, etc.
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Most international goals against is tied between Netherlands and Sweden btw.
Really didn't want to join this discussion because I don't care for either player much, but while I feel Messi at his best is better than Ronaldo, the difference isn't anywhere near as big as people claim it is. Ronaldo has made the Netherlands look like a joke time and time again, I get the same feeling when he touches the ball as when Messi did during 2014.
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On November 27 2014 22:54 Ysellian wrote:
Most international goals against is tied between Netherlands and Sweden btw.
Really didn't want to join this discussion because I don't care for either player much, but while I feel Messi at his best is better than Ronaldo, the difference isn't anywhere near as big as people claim it is. Ronaldo has made the Netherlands look like a joke time and time again, I get the same feeling when he touches the ball as when Messi did during 2014.
inb4 netherlands is a weak team.
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On November 27 2014 22:59 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:54 Ysellian wrote:
Most international goals against is tied between Netherlands and Sweden btw.
Really didn't want to join this discussion because I don't care for either player much, but while I feel Messi at his best is better than Ronaldo, the difference isn't anywhere near as big as people claim it is. Ronaldo has made the Netherlands look like a joke time and time again, I get the same feeling when he touches the ball as when Messi did during 2014. inb4 netherlands is a weak team.
Haha yeah, well at the moment we kinda are  But not when Ronaldo was banging his goals against us.
Though there is a crop of youngsters coming that are going to make us contenders for 2018 again.
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