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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 21:43:52
November 26 2014 21:43 GMT
#7521
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GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
November 27 2014 00:04 GMT
#7522
On November 27 2014 06:43 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 04:27 Salteador Neo wrote:
I can already see Messi haters in his 60-70s thinking "holy shit I was such a dumb kid back then".

Loving football and not liking the best player of an era must be so sad...

But I do like Ronaldo..?

=P


best player.. after Ronaldo :p
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 09:34:30
November 27 2014 08:55 GMT
#7523
You can't even say it with a straight face, have to include the "P", that says it all rly.
Semiotics is a fascinating study.

*a pretty telling stat to think about "Messi scored his 74th Champions League goal with his 283rd shot. Cristiano reached his 71st goal with 445 shots.” And leo has like 17 matches less.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
November 27 2014 11:02 GMT
#7524
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 11:46:37
November 27 2014 11:06 GMT
#7525
On November 27 2014 20:02 SatedSC2 wrote:
Messi has also had a much more consistent/successful supporting cast, not to mention that a lot of Ronaldo's CL games came at Manchester United where he wasn't always utilised as the main fulcrum of the attack.


*facepalm*
How is your post relevant to the stat like, at all?
Cristiano is a rly average finisher compared to messi, end of story.
Also if you have bothered to read this invaluable article you would've known just how much better messi is http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lionel-messi-is-impossible/

*to make it easier to understand for you, here are some key phrases
+ Show Spoiler +
•Of the 866 players who qualified for that plot — by playing in 50-plus games and averaging at least one shot attempt per game — Messi is the ninth-most efficient shooter overall (Ronaldo is 173rd), and he’s by far the most efficient of anyone with a similar shot volume. The highest-volume shooter who is more efficient is Mario Gomez, the former Bayern Munich striker, who takes about two-thirds as many shots as Messi.
•Ronaldo takes more than twice as many shots from this distance(outside the area), but still has fewer goals overall.
•About 44 percent of Messi’s “open” (non-set piece) shots are “individual plays,” taken without an assist. This is lower than the 46 percent of unassisted shots for players overall, but Messi scores on these shots more than 23 percent of the time, compared to all players’ percent. Additionally, he gains .089 goals above average on each unassisted shot. Ronaldo gains .023, and the average player is slightly negative at -.004 GAA.
•Somehow, Messi has done even better when taking it on his own than when somebody sets him up. Moreover, on unassisted shots he shoots nearly 10 percent and .044 GAA better than the next best player (Sergio Aguero for Manchester City) does, despite taking the fourth-most such shots of the 28 players in the group.
•Not only is Messi the top game-by-game goal-scorer of the last four years, he’s the third-most productive distributor of assists, despite being the primary scorer on his own team! Only Mesut Ozil and Franck Ribery earned more assists than Messi, and Ozil did it on Real Madrid — setting up Cristiano Ronaldo.


It's ok to like a player more than someone else, after all there are people who legit like bieber. You can have your own opinion.
But when you say that cristiano is better than messi you better have something to back it up with.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
November 27 2014 11:33 GMT
#7526
I'm with Steveling here even though I don't read 75% of the stats posted. Messi is the best. Atleast of our time but seeing how much football has evolved and how dominant he is I'm very tempted to say of all time.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 27 2014 11:35 GMT
#7527
On November 27 2014 20:33 smr wrote:
I'm with Steveling here even though I don't read 75% of the stats posted. Messi is the best. Atleast of our time but seeing how much football has evolved and how dominant he is I'm very tempted to say of all time.

but Ibrahimovic
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
November 27 2014 11:40 GMT
#7528
Ronaldo has more goals per minute in La liga
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 11:52:19
November 27 2014 11:45 GMT
#7529
On November 27 2014 20:40 Arevall wrote:
Ronaldo has more goals per minute in La liga


No, lol.
Since cristiano joined rm, messi has more goals something around 10, a heckload more assists 40+ and all that in fewer games.

Also, most goals scored in european cups against: messi against milan, cristiano against galatasaray.
Most goals scored in la liga against: messi against real madrid, cristiano against getafe.
Most international goals against: messi against brazil, cristiano against sweden.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 27 2014 11:50 GMT
#7530
Ronaldo was older than Messi when he joined La Liga though. Messi was 17 when he made his La Liga debut Ronaldo was 24.
Messi has 7 years on Ronaldo in La Liga you cannot compare them via La Liga goals of all time.
Just on a season by season process i guess.

Silly comment Steveling xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
November 27 2014 11:51 GMT
#7531
Ronaldo also must have the most penalties per minute of all time.

Him and RM are already leading the penalties Liga with some strong 6, going for the 6th championship trophie in a row.

Btw I also love Ibra, CR and many more (not just Messi), even with their not so likeable "assholery". Great footballers and personalities, and make for great villains just like Mou. Ibra is also an all around badass.
Revolutionist fan
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
November 27 2014 11:54 GMT
#7532
On November 27 2014 20:50 Pandemona wrote:
Ronaldo was older than Messi when he joined La Liga though. Messi was 17 when he made his La Liga debut Ronaldo was 24.
Messi has 7 years on Ronaldo in La Liga you cannot compare them via La Liga goals of all time.
Just on a season by season process i guess.

Silly comment Steveling xD


What's so hard to comprehend pande?
These stats are since cristiano joined rm, not before. It's not an all time stat.
Blind fanboism at its best? xD
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 12:06:02
November 27 2014 12:01 GMT
#7533
This debate is also getting very boring and old now.

Ronaldo and Messi are stupidly op, even professional footballers say this. They are the anomaly in world football. However discussing who is better is a matter of opinion. Both are great, exceptional world class etc. But everyone has a difference in opinion on who and why they are the better of the two.

My personal opinion is a prefer Ronaldos power and height over Messis dribbling skills and ducking / diving through people.
Just as i would prefer Costa to an Aguero type striker. Or an Ibra to a Suarez. My opinion, others are different.

What we shouldn't be doing is raging or trying to changes peoples opinion so aggressively when everyone has different opinions on what they like / what they watch.
Pretty sure 90% of Chelsea fans would prefer Ronaldo to Messi ultimate football etc. Same was as Barca fans would prefer Suarez to an Ibra/Costa type striker. Just what they are used to and prefer to watch.

On November 27 2014 20:54 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 20:50 Pandemona wrote:
Ronaldo was older than Messi when he joined La Liga though. Messi was 17 when he made his La Liga debut Ronaldo was 24.
Messi has 7 years on Ronaldo in La Liga you cannot compare them via La Liga goals of all time.
Just on a season by season process i guess.

Silly comment Steveling xD


What's so hard to comprehend pande?
These stats are since cristiano joined rm, not before. It's not an all time stat.
Blind fanboism at its best? xD


What? Are you reading my posts. You were going on blindly about how Messi is better in every post you make which is fine but you just blatantly shut down that guys post who said Ronaldo has more goals per minute than Messi in La Liga. He didn't say over what time period or anything.
Then you said he has more goals and assist and all in shorter time etcetc.

We know you like Messi, we know you think he is better than Ronaldo that is fine. But you shouldn't be shooting people down like they just said the Pope doesn't believe in god just because they prefer Ronaldo over him. Don't force your opinion on people.
You can kindly point out facts about them i don't mind seeing/reading them because we can choose to do so. But shooting people down when they mention ronaldo or whatever is getting quite tiresome now.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
November 27 2014 12:06 GMT
#7534
On November 27 2014 21:01 Pandemona wrote:
This debate is also getting very boring and old now.

Ronaldo and Messi are stupidly op, even professional footballers say this. They are the anomaly in world football. However discussing who is better is a matter of opinion. Both are great, exceptional world class etc. But everyone has a difference in opinion on who and why they are the better of the two.

My personal opinion is a prefer Ronaldos power and height over Messis dribbling skills and ducking / diving through people.
Just as i would prefer Costa to an Aguero type striker. Or an Ibra to a Suarez. My opinion, others are different.

What we shouldn't be doing is raging or trying to changes peoples opinion so aggressively when everyone has different opinions on what they like / what they watch.
Pretty sure 90% of Chelsea fans would prefer Ronaldo to Messi ultimate football etc. Same was as Barca fans would prefer Suarez to an Ibra/Costa type striker. Just what they are used to and prefer to watch.



I agree but these latest posts are not about taste or preferred style but who's better.
Sated said that cristiano is better so I had to put him in his place, so direct your kumbaya speech to him, not me.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
November 27 2014 12:06 GMT
#7535
To be honest, I think Ibrahimovic gets overrated a fair bunch. The only reason he's thought of as one of the best by most people is because he scores beautiful goals. He rarely shows up in defining matches though. I've seen him play live against Ajax of all clubs, and he was invisible all game (not talking about the game last Tuesday of course). There's also valid reasons why he's never been on a champions league winning team except for 1 year at Barça. You can have your own opinions about that, I don't want to start a discussion about it, but it's pretty telling. And there is no comparing anyone from this generation to Ronaldo/Messi. They are miles ahead of anyone. The only one to come close at the moment is Robben. Surprise surprise, all 3 of those play for the best teams in the world.

And I think it's very fair to start comparing la liga efforts from when Ronaldo joined la liga. Stats-wise obviously Ronaldo is going to be more impressive when you start counting Messi's games when he was 16-17 when he scored 5 in 17 and like 11 in 28 or whatever.
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
November 27 2014 12:11 GMT
#7536
On November 27 2014 21:01 Pandemona wrote:
We know you like Messi, we know you think he is better than Ronaldo that is fine


See pande, you are passive aggressive and that's annoying.
You just said that cristiano is better, alright, prove it, let's have a discussion.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
November 27 2014 12:17 GMT
#7537
i'm gonna say it and get a warning or even banned.

you CR/Messi fanboys really can't stop sucking their dicks, and I feel tired for you guys.

this debate is old. can't you guys just enjoy football for what it is? a freaking TEAM sport!

cheer for your favourite teams and marvel at the occasional piece of individual brilliance. are there any rational football fans out there anymore?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 27 2014 12:17 GMT
#7538
No i didn't stop reading into things.
I said you think Messi is better than Ronaldo, that is fine. I think they are both fucking awesome world class etc. However my opinion (like yours on Messi) is i prefer Ronaldo due to his power and height. That is all. Personal opinion.

We really need draw a line underneath this shit is pissing me off now. Everyone express their opinion thats fine, post stats about your favorite player is fine. Posting stats than saying MESSI IS BETTER and starting a shit posting bonanza is not fine. Posting the stats is.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
November 27 2014 12:20 GMT
#7539
On November 27 2014 21:17 malcram wrote:
i'm gonna say it and get a warning or even banned.

you CR/Messi fanboys really can't stop sucking their dicks, and I feel tired for you guys.

this debate is old. can't you guys just enjoy football for what it is? a freaking TEAM sport!

cheer for your favourite teams and marvel at the occasional piece of individual brilliance. are there any rational football fans out there anymore?



I agree.
As long as people know who's the best that is.
Because I'm not the fanboi that messi deserves, I'm the fanboi that messi needs.
A dark hooligan.

*I enjoy these little debates btw, is it so wrong,(
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 12:32:55
November 27 2014 12:21 GMT
#7540
and I think Messi is extremely overrated. He could be nothing without Xavi and Iniesta. He would be a good player without them but not good enough to win 4 BallondOr. Ibra is simply better than him since he can play on different teams with different players and still win local titles.

See? opinions can differ.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
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