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Lol yeah i dont trust my dad in Russia. Last time he went he was up till 7am drinking and in strip clubs with his boss TT. (Was in Moscow for Champs league final Yanited vs Chelsea)
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Decent week of predictions, that. Almost made up fr all the shit weeks I've had before. Almost.
That said, I smashed my way into the top 10 of our FPL-thingy. Maybe things are coming around. Aaaaaaaaaaaand I jinxed it.
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Yeah i jinxed mine so badly. I think i said how easy it was to predict the predictor league was top 3 weeks in a row and now look i can barely scrap a positive points TT
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On November 03 2014 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Right so after the Chelsea vs QPR game, Mourinho criticised Chelsea fans for not being very loud and to relaxed during the game. This was rightly so, the fans that game were pretty lacklustre after the first 10 minutes. Then when we scored they all kind of sat back and just chanted every now and then. After QPR equalized, QPR fans sang for the rest of the game and it pretty much felt like an away game for Chelsea. Thus the criticism from Mourinho saying the team switched off due to the crowd switching off. Cue the mass hysteria everywhere in Chelsea. Some people raging that they do what they want as they pay for their own tickets, others agreeing with Jose. Some people pointing to other things as the problem. I won't go into details about some of the things said because they will cause a shitstorm  However there is one thing we need to address in England. Ticket prices. The fact is in England the reason home games are dull and lacklustre is due to the pricing market for the "bigger" teams in England. Chelsea away support i know first hand is unreal, singing for 90 minutes and the biggest fun i have ever had. But like we discussed if you are not in the MHL stand it can literally like being at the opera or ballet with high society. But when it costs £60+ a ticket to get into the ground then add in tube and rail costs to get just inside london your looking at a £100 day out. So the fans for every home game are just a bunch of tourist type fans. The ones every club needs to help the bank balance but the ones that take away the atmosphere. Due to this comment from Mourinho this was also released today; TOP 20 Loudest Grounds in Premier LeagueJust my monday morning rant 
Spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. I have my own opinions on this myself...I've gone to home and away games so far this season and every single time this year and in the past, the away games were 100x more fun, more raucous singing, banter and supporters were just more into it. Granted two of the home games, I was taking my younger nephews out so I was in the lower family stand but you could still tell from that view that all the noise was coming out of MHL.
I know ticket prices are lower for cup matches, and clubs use this as their argument for their pricing structure but league matches are where it's at and not everyone can attend matches during the week which is when most CL/cup matches tend to fall...
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i like that the gap at the top of FPL has closed... who's who anyway? Saftkalas had a heck of a week with 83 points!
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On November 04 2014 22:47 malcram wrote:i like that the gap at the top of FPL has closed... who's who anyway? Saftkalas had a heck of a week with 83 points!
Paul FC = triZen
sad<>< = smr
Thats all i know :d
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On November 04 2014 22:04 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Right so after the Chelsea vs QPR game, Mourinho criticised Chelsea fans for not being very loud and to relaxed during the game. This was rightly so, the fans that game were pretty lacklustre after the first 10 minutes. Then when we scored they all kind of sat back and just chanted every now and then. After QPR equalized, QPR fans sang for the rest of the game and it pretty much felt like an away game for Chelsea. Thus the criticism from Mourinho saying the team switched off due to the crowd switching off. Cue the mass hysteria everywhere in Chelsea. Some people raging that they do what they want as they pay for their own tickets, others agreeing with Jose. Some people pointing to other things as the problem. I won't go into details about some of the things said because they will cause a shitstorm However there is one thing we need to address in England. Ticket prices. The fact is in England the reason home games are dull and lacklustre is due to the pricing market for the "bigger" teams in England. Chelsea away support i know first hand is unreal, singing for 90 minutes and the biggest fun i have ever had. But like we discussed if you are not in the MHL stand it can literally like being at the opera or ballet with high society. But when it costs £60+ a ticket to get into the ground then add in tube and rail costs to get just inside london your looking at a £100 day out. So the fans for every home game are just a bunch of tourist type fans. The ones every club needs to help the bank balance but the ones that take away the atmosphere. Due to this comment from Mourinho this was also released today; TOP 20 Loudest Grounds in Premier LeagueJust my monday morning rant Spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. I have my own opinions on this myself...I've gone to home and away games so far this season and every single time this year and in the past, the away games were 100x more fun, more raucous singing, banter and supporters were just more into it. Granted two of the home games, I was taking my younger nephews out so I was in the lower family stand but you could still tell from that view that all the noise was coming out of MHL. I know ticket prices are lower for cup matches, and clubs use this as their argument for their pricing structure but league matches are where it's at and not everyone can attend matches during the week which is when most CL/cup matches tend to fall...
I dont know if the corporate argument holds that much water, how many seats do they actually take up? considering the stadium is 41 thousand strong i doubt any noticeable amount of that is corporate seating.
It's probably to do with the age of fans, no offence to Chelsea, that he's used to in recent years. Teams like Madrid, United, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Liverpool ect have life long fans in large quantities, Chelsea's recent success has attracted the newer fans, who probably are more likely to sit there and watch the game rather than sing and are probably less passionate (merely because they haven't followed the club before 2003). Also the younger fan's don't always know the history and hence the old songs, also Chelsea is a product of billionaires play thing, there is less history there than say Madrid where the trophies go back generations. This means less things to sing about and less people to create the songs and pass them on. Signing is an older football tradition and if you don't have as many old fans as other big rivals then the singing isn't going to be as loud.
I just wish everyone had Dortmund level fans (take off hipster hat)
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On November 05 2014 00:37 UdderChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 22:04 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2014 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Right so after the Chelsea vs QPR game, Mourinho criticised Chelsea fans for not being very loud and to relaxed during the game. This was rightly so, the fans that game were pretty lacklustre after the first 10 minutes. Then when we scored they all kind of sat back and just chanted every now and then. After QPR equalized, QPR fans sang for the rest of the game and it pretty much felt like an away game for Chelsea. Thus the criticism from Mourinho saying the team switched off due to the crowd switching off. Cue the mass hysteria everywhere in Chelsea. Some people raging that they do what they want as they pay for their own tickets, others agreeing with Jose. Some people pointing to other things as the problem. I won't go into details about some of the things said because they will cause a shitstorm However there is one thing we need to address in England. Ticket prices. The fact is in England the reason home games are dull and lacklustre is due to the pricing market for the "bigger" teams in England. Chelsea away support i know first hand is unreal, singing for 90 minutes and the biggest fun i have ever had. But like we discussed if you are not in the MHL stand it can literally like being at the opera or ballet with high society. But when it costs £60+ a ticket to get into the ground then add in tube and rail costs to get just inside london your looking at a £100 day out. So the fans for every home game are just a bunch of tourist type fans. The ones every club needs to help the bank balance but the ones that take away the atmosphere. Due to this comment from Mourinho this was also released today; TOP 20 Loudest Grounds in Premier LeagueJust my monday morning rant Spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. I have my own opinions on this myself...I've gone to home and away games so far this season and every single time this year and in the past, the away games were 100x more fun, more raucous singing, banter and supporters were just more into it. Granted two of the home games, I was taking my younger nephews out so I was in the lower family stand but you could still tell from that view that all the noise was coming out of MHL. I know ticket prices are lower for cup matches, and clubs use this as their argument for their pricing structure but league matches are where it's at and not everyone can attend matches during the week which is when most CL/cup matches tend to fall... I dont know if the corporate argument holds that much water, how many seats do they actually take up? considering the stadium is 41 thousand strong i doubt any noticeable amount of that is corporate seating. It's probably to do with the age of fans, no offence to Chelsea, that he's used to in recent years. Teams like Madrid, United, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Liverpool ect have life long fans in large quantities, Chelsea's recent success has attracted the newer fans, who probably are more likely to sit there and watch the game rather than sing and are probably less passionate (merely because they haven't followed the club before 2003). Also the younger fan's don't always know the history and hence the old songs, also Chelsea is a product of billionaires play thing, there is less history there than say Madrid where the trophies go back generations. This means less things to sing about and less people to create the songs and pass them on. Signing is an older football tradition and if you don't have as many old fans as other big rivals then the singing isn't going to be as loud. I just wish everyone had Dortmund level fans (take off hipster hat)
Whilst what you say is true, those clubs with the big long back log of trophies and success to draw fans from around the world more than the likes of Chelsea do. There are more plastic fans sat in Old Trafford than there is at Chelsea. Due to 1 the size and two because of the difference in success.
Like i say what you said is kind of true, Chelsea history has always been around just like everyone elses, in the 1990s we had some great players and pre the 2003 take over we had the likes of Zola and world cup winners in Desially Pettit and Deschamps.
Anyway you have a point but it is off slightly.
In terms of how many seats are corporate you just have to look at the FA Cup final when 30k seats go to each set of fans and 30k are left for corporate!
Chelsea do packages every week for games based on corporate deals and paying for a hotel stay and meal blahblah and keep tickets back for that. I have been in the corporate areas of Chelsea for europa league games and woow its an eye opener. Sitting with Ruud Gullit having some of the nicest food i have tasted and watching Chelsea was pretty nice. What wasn't is the fact everyone leaves their seats and misses like 10 minutes of the 2nd half during half time "break"
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On November 05 2014 00:37 UdderChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 22:04 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2014 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Right so after the Chelsea vs QPR game, Mourinho criticised Chelsea fans for not being very loud and to relaxed during the game. This was rightly so, the fans that game were pretty lacklustre after the first 10 minutes. Then when we scored they all kind of sat back and just chanted every now and then. After QPR equalized, QPR fans sang for the rest of the game and it pretty much felt like an away game for Chelsea. Thus the criticism from Mourinho saying the team switched off due to the crowd switching off. Cue the mass hysteria everywhere in Chelsea. Some people raging that they do what they want as they pay for their own tickets, others agreeing with Jose. Some people pointing to other things as the problem. I won't go into details about some of the things said because they will cause a shitstorm However there is one thing we need to address in England. Ticket prices. The fact is in England the reason home games are dull and lacklustre is due to the pricing market for the "bigger" teams in England. Chelsea away support i know first hand is unreal, singing for 90 minutes and the biggest fun i have ever had. But like we discussed if you are not in the MHL stand it can literally like being at the opera or ballet with high society. But when it costs £60+ a ticket to get into the ground then add in tube and rail costs to get just inside london your looking at a £100 day out. So the fans for every home game are just a bunch of tourist type fans. The ones every club needs to help the bank balance but the ones that take away the atmosphere. Due to this comment from Mourinho this was also released today; TOP 20 Loudest Grounds in Premier LeagueJust my monday morning rant Spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. I have my own opinions on this myself...I've gone to home and away games so far this season and every single time this year and in the past, the away games were 100x more fun, more raucous singing, banter and supporters were just more into it. Granted two of the home games, I was taking my younger nephews out so I was in the lower family stand but you could still tell from that view that all the noise was coming out of MHL. I know ticket prices are lower for cup matches, and clubs use this as their argument for their pricing structure but league matches are where it's at and not everyone can attend matches during the week which is when most CL/cup matches tend to fall... I dont know if the corporate argument holds that much water, how many seats do they actually take up? considering the stadium is 41 thousand strong i doubt any noticeable amount of that is corporate seating. It's probably to do with the age of fans, no offence to Chelsea, that he's used to in recent years. Teams like Madrid, United, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Liverpool ect have life long fans in large quantities, Chelsea's recent success has attracted the newer fans, who probably are more likely to sit there and watch the game rather than sing and are probably less passionate (merely because they haven't followed the club before 2003). Also the younger fan's don't always know the history and hence the old songs, also Chelsea is a product of billionaires play thing, there is less history there than say Madrid where the trophies go back generations. This means less things to sing about and less people to create the songs and pass them on. Signing is an older football tradition and if you don't have as many old fans as other big rivals then the singing isn't going to be as loud. I just wish everyone had Dortmund level fans (take off hipster hat)
Chelsea's been around for a long time and definitely has a history, even if it isn't as prolific.
The problem is entirely ticket prices.
If your ticket prices out-price the young and the lower-middle class, then you simply won't have passionate fans. It means that only the upper-middle class can afford tickets, and these aren't people that are going to be as passionate and singing loudly and whatnot, especially when they bring families to games. The exact same thing happens in Minnesota (USA). Hockey is by far the most popular sport here (unlike every other state in the country), and yet our fans at hockey games (which are sold out 100% of the time) are embarrassingly quiet, and it's all because of pricing. The only people that can afford tickets to hockey games in Minnesota (or anywhere in the NHL) are middle-class people, usually older and usually families, so they aren't going to be loud or cheering a ton.
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On November 05 2014 00:45 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 00:37 UdderChaos wrote:On November 04 2014 22:04 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2014 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Right so after the Chelsea vs QPR game, Mourinho criticised Chelsea fans for not being very loud and to relaxed during the game. This was rightly so, the fans that game were pretty lacklustre after the first 10 minutes. Then when we scored they all kind of sat back and just chanted every now and then. After QPR equalized, QPR fans sang for the rest of the game and it pretty much felt like an away game for Chelsea. Thus the criticism from Mourinho saying the team switched off due to the crowd switching off. Cue the mass hysteria everywhere in Chelsea. Some people raging that they do what they want as they pay for their own tickets, others agreeing with Jose. Some people pointing to other things as the problem. I won't go into details about some of the things said because they will cause a shitstorm However there is one thing we need to address in England. Ticket prices. The fact is in England the reason home games are dull and lacklustre is due to the pricing market for the "bigger" teams in England. Chelsea away support i know first hand is unreal, singing for 90 minutes and the biggest fun i have ever had. But like we discussed if you are not in the MHL stand it can literally like being at the opera or ballet with high society. But when it costs £60+ a ticket to get into the ground then add in tube and rail costs to get just inside london your looking at a £100 day out. So the fans for every home game are just a bunch of tourist type fans. The ones every club needs to help the bank balance but the ones that take away the atmosphere. Due to this comment from Mourinho this was also released today; TOP 20 Loudest Grounds in Premier LeagueJust my monday morning rant Spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. I have my own opinions on this myself...I've gone to home and away games so far this season and every single time this year and in the past, the away games were 100x more fun, more raucous singing, banter and supporters were just more into it. Granted two of the home games, I was taking my younger nephews out so I was in the lower family stand but you could still tell from that view that all the noise was coming out of MHL. I know ticket prices are lower for cup matches, and clubs use this as their argument for their pricing structure but league matches are where it's at and not everyone can attend matches during the week which is when most CL/cup matches tend to fall... I dont know if the corporate argument holds that much water, how many seats do they actually take up? considering the stadium is 41 thousand strong i doubt any noticeable amount of that is corporate seating. It's probably to do with the age of fans, no offence to Chelsea, that he's used to in recent years. Teams like Madrid, United, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Liverpool ect have life long fans in large quantities, Chelsea's recent success has attracted the newer fans, who probably are more likely to sit there and watch the game rather than sing and are probably less passionate (merely because they haven't followed the club before 2003). Also the younger fan's don't always know the history and hence the old songs, also Chelsea is a product of billionaires play thing, there is less history there than say Madrid where the trophies go back generations. This means less things to sing about and less people to create the songs and pass them on. Signing is an older football tradition and if you don't have as many old fans as other big rivals then the singing isn't going to be as loud. I just wish everyone had Dortmund level fans (take off hipster hat) Whilst what you say is true, those clubs with the big long back log of trophies and success to draw fans from around the world more than the likes of Chelsea do. There are more plastic fans sat in Old Trafford than there is at Chelsea. Due to 1 the size and two because of the difference in success. Like i say what you said is kind of true, Chelsea history has always been around just like everyone elses, in the 1990s we had some great players and pre the 2003 take over we had the likes of Zola and world cup winners in Desially Pettit and Deschamps. Anyway you have a point but it is off slightly. In terms of how many seats are corporate you just have to look at the FA Cup final when 30k seats go to each set of fans and 30k are left for corporate! Chelsea do packages every week for games based on corporate deals and paying for a hotel stay and meal blahblah and keep tickets back for that. I have been in the corporate areas of Chelsea for europa league games and woow its an eye opener. Sitting with Ruud Gullit having some of the nicest food i have tasted and watching Chelsea was pretty nice. What wasn't is the fact everyone leaves their seats and misses like 10 minutes of the 2nd half during half time "break"
More plastic fans at OT? Actually made me laugh out loud. Come on, we have more season ticket holders than your maximum capacity at stamford bridge lol. Your talking about a club who actually has a derby created from their reputation called el plastico which came out of the two clubs being known for plastic success. Most Chelsea fans Ive met couldn't name a single player pre-2003, whilst most Manchester fans can. It doesn't really matter, theres no real logic in support as long as you don't switch teams depending on success i don't really care, but there is no case to be made by Chelsea or City that another English club comes close to glory supporting and buying success seriously. Manchester united obviously have the joint largest glory supporting Brigade globally with Madrid, but thats not OT, and mainly to do with just how big their support base is. It doesn't really matter like i said, but if your going to try and go down that route your never going to win.
To me City and Chelsea's rise is kind of sad, its denied lifelong spurs, evertoians, gunners and scousers even, the chance at tophies for the past few years and many years to come, not to mention some of the players probably would of ended up at a few English clubs too.
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On November 05 2014 02:43 UdderChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 00:45 Pandemona wrote:On November 05 2014 00:37 UdderChaos wrote:On November 04 2014 22:04 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2014 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Right so after the Chelsea vs QPR game, Mourinho criticised Chelsea fans for not being very loud and to relaxed during the game. This was rightly so, the fans that game were pretty lacklustre after the first 10 minutes. Then when we scored they all kind of sat back and just chanted every now and then. After QPR equalized, QPR fans sang for the rest of the game and it pretty much felt like an away game for Chelsea. Thus the criticism from Mourinho saying the team switched off due to the crowd switching off. Cue the mass hysteria everywhere in Chelsea. Some people raging that they do what they want as they pay for their own tickets, others agreeing with Jose. Some people pointing to other things as the problem. I won't go into details about some of the things said because they will cause a shitstorm However there is one thing we need to address in England. Ticket prices. The fact is in England the reason home games are dull and lacklustre is due to the pricing market for the "bigger" teams in England. Chelsea away support i know first hand is unreal, singing for 90 minutes and the biggest fun i have ever had. But like we discussed if you are not in the MHL stand it can literally like being at the opera or ballet with high society. But when it costs £60+ a ticket to get into the ground then add in tube and rail costs to get just inside london your looking at a £100 day out. So the fans for every home game are just a bunch of tourist type fans. The ones every club needs to help the bank balance but the ones that take away the atmosphere. Due to this comment from Mourinho this was also released today; TOP 20 Loudest Grounds in Premier LeagueJust my monday morning rant Spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. I have my own opinions on this myself...I've gone to home and away games so far this season and every single time this year and in the past, the away games were 100x more fun, more raucous singing, banter and supporters were just more into it. Granted two of the home games, I was taking my younger nephews out so I was in the lower family stand but you could still tell from that view that all the noise was coming out of MHL. I know ticket prices are lower for cup matches, and clubs use this as their argument for their pricing structure but league matches are where it's at and not everyone can attend matches during the week which is when most CL/cup matches tend to fall... I dont know if the corporate argument holds that much water, how many seats do they actually take up? considering the stadium is 41 thousand strong i doubt any noticeable amount of that is corporate seating. It's probably to do with the age of fans, no offence to Chelsea, that he's used to in recent years. Teams like Madrid, United, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Liverpool ect have life long fans in large quantities, Chelsea's recent success has attracted the newer fans, who probably are more likely to sit there and watch the game rather than sing and are probably less passionate (merely because they haven't followed the club before 2003). Also the younger fan's don't always know the history and hence the old songs, also Chelsea is a product of billionaires play thing, there is less history there than say Madrid where the trophies go back generations. This means less things to sing about and less people to create the songs and pass them on. Signing is an older football tradition and if you don't have as many old fans as other big rivals then the singing isn't going to be as loud. I just wish everyone had Dortmund level fans (take off hipster hat) Whilst what you say is true, those clubs with the big long back log of trophies and success to draw fans from around the world more than the likes of Chelsea do. There are more plastic fans sat in Old Trafford than there is at Chelsea. Due to 1 the size and two because of the difference in success. Like i say what you said is kind of true, Chelsea history has always been around just like everyone elses, in the 1990s we had some great players and pre the 2003 take over we had the likes of Zola and world cup winners in Desially Pettit and Deschamps. Anyway you have a point but it is off slightly. In terms of how many seats are corporate you just have to look at the FA Cup final when 30k seats go to each set of fans and 30k are left for corporate! Chelsea do packages every week for games based on corporate deals and paying for a hotel stay and meal blahblah and keep tickets back for that. I have been in the corporate areas of Chelsea for europa league games and woow its an eye opener. Sitting with Ruud Gullit having some of the nicest food i have tasted and watching Chelsea was pretty nice. What wasn't is the fact everyone leaves their seats and misses like 10 minutes of the 2nd half during half time "break" More plastic fans at OT? Actually made me laugh out loud. Come on, we have more season ticket holders than your maximum capacity at stamford bridge lol. Your talking about a club who actually has a derby created from their reputation called el plastico which came out of the two clubs being known for plastic success. Most Chelsea fans Ive met couldn't name a single player pre-2003, whilst most Manchester fans can. It doesn't really matter, theres no real logic in support as long as you don't switch teams depending on success i don't really care, but there is no case to be made by Chelsea or City that another English club comes close to glory supporting and buying success seriously. Manchester united obviously have the joint largest glory supporting Brigade globally with Madrid, but thats not OT, and mainly to do with just how big their support base is. It doesn't really matter like i said, but if your going to try and go down that route your never going to win. To me City and Chelsea's rise is kind of sad, its denied lifelong spurs, evertoians, gunners and scousers even, the chance at tophies for the past few years and many years to come, not to mention some of the players probably would of ended up at a few English clubs too.
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On November 05 2014 02:43 UdderChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 00:45 Pandemona wrote:On November 05 2014 00:37 UdderChaos wrote:On November 04 2014 22:04 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2014 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Right so after the Chelsea vs QPR game, Mourinho criticised Chelsea fans for not being very loud and to relaxed during the game. This was rightly so, the fans that game were pretty lacklustre after the first 10 minutes. Then when we scored they all kind of sat back and just chanted every now and then. After QPR equalized, QPR fans sang for the rest of the game and it pretty much felt like an away game for Chelsea. Thus the criticism from Mourinho saying the team switched off due to the crowd switching off. Cue the mass hysteria everywhere in Chelsea. Some people raging that they do what they want as they pay for their own tickets, others agreeing with Jose. Some people pointing to other things as the problem. I won't go into details about some of the things said because they will cause a shitstorm However there is one thing we need to address in England. Ticket prices. The fact is in England the reason home games are dull and lacklustre is due to the pricing market for the "bigger" teams in England. Chelsea away support i know first hand is unreal, singing for 90 minutes and the biggest fun i have ever had. But like we discussed if you are not in the MHL stand it can literally like being at the opera or ballet with high society. But when it costs £60+ a ticket to get into the ground then add in tube and rail costs to get just inside london your looking at a £100 day out. So the fans for every home game are just a bunch of tourist type fans. The ones every club needs to help the bank balance but the ones that take away the atmosphere. Due to this comment from Mourinho this was also released today; TOP 20 Loudest Grounds in Premier LeagueJust my monday morning rant Spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. I have my own opinions on this myself...I've gone to home and away games so far this season and every single time this year and in the past, the away games were 100x more fun, more raucous singing, banter and supporters were just more into it. Granted two of the home games, I was taking my younger nephews out so I was in the lower family stand but you could still tell from that view that all the noise was coming out of MHL. I know ticket prices are lower for cup matches, and clubs use this as their argument for their pricing structure but league matches are where it's at and not everyone can attend matches during the week which is when most CL/cup matches tend to fall... I dont know if the corporate argument holds that much water, how many seats do they actually take up? considering the stadium is 41 thousand strong i doubt any noticeable amount of that is corporate seating. It's probably to do with the age of fans, no offence to Chelsea, that he's used to in recent years. Teams like Madrid, United, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Liverpool ect have life long fans in large quantities, Chelsea's recent success has attracted the newer fans, who probably are more likely to sit there and watch the game rather than sing and are probably less passionate (merely because they haven't followed the club before 2003). Also the younger fan's don't always know the history and hence the old songs, also Chelsea is a product of billionaires play thing, there is less history there than say Madrid where the trophies go back generations. This means less things to sing about and less people to create the songs and pass them on. Signing is an older football tradition and if you don't have as many old fans as other big rivals then the singing isn't going to be as loud. I just wish everyone had Dortmund level fans (take off hipster hat) Whilst what you say is true, those clubs with the big long back log of trophies and success to draw fans from around the world more than the likes of Chelsea do. There are more plastic fans sat in Old Trafford than there is at Chelsea. Due to 1 the size and two because of the difference in success. Like i say what you said is kind of true, Chelsea history has always been around just like everyone elses, in the 1990s we had some great players and pre the 2003 take over we had the likes of Zola and world cup winners in Desially Pettit and Deschamps. Anyway you have a point but it is off slightly. In terms of how many seats are corporate you just have to look at the FA Cup final when 30k seats go to each set of fans and 30k are left for corporate! Chelsea do packages every week for games based on corporate deals and paying for a hotel stay and meal blahblah and keep tickets back for that. I have been in the corporate areas of Chelsea for europa league games and woow its an eye opener. Sitting with Ruud Gullit having some of the nicest food i have tasted and watching Chelsea was pretty nice. What wasn't is the fact everyone leaves their seats and misses like 10 minutes of the 2nd half during half time "break" More plastic fans at OT? Actually made me laugh out loud. Come on, we have more season ticket holders than your maximum capacity at stamford bridge lol. Your talking about a club who actually has a derby created from their reputation called el plastico which came out of the two clubs being known for plastic success. Most Chelsea fans Ive met couldn't name a single player pre-2003, whilst most Manchester fans can. It doesn't really matter, theres no real logic in support as long as you don't switch teams depending on success i don't really care, but there is no case to be made by Chelsea or City that another English club comes close to glory supporting and buying success seriously. Manchester united obviously have the joint largest glory supporting Brigade globally with Madrid, but thats not OT, and mainly to do with just how big their support base is. It doesn't really matter like i said, but if your going to try and go down that route your never going to win. To me City and Chelsea's rise is kind of sad, its denied lifelong spurs, evertoians, gunners and scousers even, the chance at tophies for the past few years and many years to come, not to mention some of the players probably would of ended up at a few English clubs too.
Are you from Manchester? Old Trafford is filled by people who aren't even from Manchester. They got voted the 18th or something in the quietest stadium report i posted earlier and yet they have like 80,000 turn up to every game? Plastic fans much? Come on old trafford never has an atmosphere no more its full of out of town fans coming to watch them thats how you fill 80,000 each week. If you don't believe what i typed im not going to spend a few days explaining to you but just google it if you don't believe me there is plenty of people who know that old trafford is just a bunch of tourists watching them play. Like you said you made the success which drives in the fan base of those who just support man utd because they won 20 league championships etcetc. I have also been to Yanited due to my company owns some corporate seating there and i have had to entertain customers there and it is shockingly quiet considering there is 70/80k people in it. That was during Fergie era too!
Also if you weren't to blind to realize Yanited did the exact same did Chelsea and City did at their peak financial power to draw in the best and biggest players. Just because it wasn't retarded sums that get thrown around now does not mean it didn't happen.
Also if you look at spending over the last few transfer windows you will see that the likes of Spurs and Liverpool have spent more than Chelsea in terms of money going out (forget the money coming in) and still have bought absolute trash. Money doesn't buy you success at the highest level in football as proven with PSG or Malaga. PSG struggling to top their domestic league and they spending stupid money. City also struggling to win in the league this season.
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On November 05 2014 04:02 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 02:43 UdderChaos wrote:On November 05 2014 00:45 Pandemona wrote:On November 05 2014 00:37 UdderChaos wrote:On November 04 2014 22:04 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2014 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Right so after the Chelsea vs QPR game, Mourinho criticised Chelsea fans for not being very loud and to relaxed during the game. This was rightly so, the fans that game were pretty lacklustre after the first 10 minutes. Then when we scored they all kind of sat back and just chanted every now and then. After QPR equalized, QPR fans sang for the rest of the game and it pretty much felt like an away game for Chelsea. Thus the criticism from Mourinho saying the team switched off due to the crowd switching off. Cue the mass hysteria everywhere in Chelsea. Some people raging that they do what they want as they pay for their own tickets, others agreeing with Jose. Some people pointing to other things as the problem. I won't go into details about some of the things said because they will cause a shitstorm However there is one thing we need to address in England. Ticket prices. The fact is in England the reason home games are dull and lacklustre is due to the pricing market for the "bigger" teams in England. Chelsea away support i know first hand is unreal, singing for 90 minutes and the biggest fun i have ever had. But like we discussed if you are not in the MHL stand it can literally like being at the opera or ballet with high society. But when it costs £60+ a ticket to get into the ground then add in tube and rail costs to get just inside london your looking at a £100 day out. So the fans for every home game are just a bunch of tourist type fans. The ones every club needs to help the bank balance but the ones that take away the atmosphere. Due to this comment from Mourinho this was also released today; TOP 20 Loudest Grounds in Premier LeagueJust my monday morning rant Spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. I have my own opinions on this myself...I've gone to home and away games so far this season and every single time this year and in the past, the away games were 100x more fun, more raucous singing, banter and supporters were just more into it. Granted two of the home games, I was taking my younger nephews out so I was in the lower family stand but you could still tell from that view that all the noise was coming out of MHL. I know ticket prices are lower for cup matches, and clubs use this as their argument for their pricing structure but league matches are where it's at and not everyone can attend matches during the week which is when most CL/cup matches tend to fall... I dont know if the corporate argument holds that much water, how many seats do they actually take up? considering the stadium is 41 thousand strong i doubt any noticeable amount of that is corporate seating. It's probably to do with the age of fans, no offence to Chelsea, that he's used to in recent years. Teams like Madrid, United, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Liverpool ect have life long fans in large quantities, Chelsea's recent success has attracted the newer fans, who probably are more likely to sit there and watch the game rather than sing and are probably less passionate (merely because they haven't followed the club before 2003). Also the younger fan's don't always know the history and hence the old songs, also Chelsea is a product of billionaires play thing, there is less history there than say Madrid where the trophies go back generations. This means less things to sing about and less people to create the songs and pass them on. Signing is an older football tradition and if you don't have as many old fans as other big rivals then the singing isn't going to be as loud. I just wish everyone had Dortmund level fans (take off hipster hat) Whilst what you say is true, those clubs with the big long back log of trophies and success to draw fans from around the world more than the likes of Chelsea do. There are more plastic fans sat in Old Trafford than there is at Chelsea. Due to 1 the size and two because of the difference in success. Like i say what you said is kind of true, Chelsea history has always been around just like everyone elses, in the 1990s we had some great players and pre the 2003 take over we had the likes of Zola and world cup winners in Desially Pettit and Deschamps. Anyway you have a point but it is off slightly. In terms of how many seats are corporate you just have to look at the FA Cup final when 30k seats go to each set of fans and 30k are left for corporate! Chelsea do packages every week for games based on corporate deals and paying for a hotel stay and meal blahblah and keep tickets back for that. I have been in the corporate areas of Chelsea for europa league games and woow its an eye opener. Sitting with Ruud Gullit having some of the nicest food i have tasted and watching Chelsea was pretty nice. What wasn't is the fact everyone leaves their seats and misses like 10 minutes of the 2nd half during half time "break" More plastic fans at OT? Actually made me laugh out loud. Come on, we have more season ticket holders than your maximum capacity at stamford bridge lol. Your talking about a club who actually has a derby created from their reputation called el plastico which came out of the two clubs being known for plastic success. Most Chelsea fans Ive met couldn't name a single player pre-2003, whilst most Manchester fans can. It doesn't really matter, theres no real logic in support as long as you don't switch teams depending on success i don't really care, but there is no case to be made by Chelsea or City that another English club comes close to glory supporting and buying success seriously. Manchester united obviously have the joint largest glory supporting Brigade globally with Madrid, but thats not OT, and mainly to do with just how big their support base is. It doesn't really matter like i said, but if your going to try and go down that route your never going to win. To me City and Chelsea's rise is kind of sad, its denied lifelong spurs, evertoians, gunners and scousers even, the chance at tophies for the past few years and many years to come, not to mention some of the players probably would of ended up at a few English clubs too. Are you from Manchester? Old Trafford is filled by people who aren't even from Manchester. They got voted the 18th or something in the quietest stadium report i posted earlier and yet they have like 80,000 turn up to every game? Plastic fans much? Come on old trafford never has an atmosphere no more its full of out of town fans coming to watch them thats how you fill 80,000 each week. If you don't believe what i typed im not going to spend a few days explaining to you but just google it if you don't believe me there is plenty of people who know that old trafford is just a bunch of tourists watching them play. Like you said you made the success which drives in the fan base of those who just support man utd because they won 20 league championships etcetc. I have also been to Yanited due to my company owns some corporate seating there and i have had to entertain customers there and it is shockingly quiet considering there is 70/80k people in it. That was during Fergie era too! Also if you weren't to blind to realize Yanited did the exact same did Chelsea and City did at their peak financial power to draw in the best and biggest players. Just because it wasn't retarded sums that get thrown around now does not mean it didn't happen. Also if you look at spending over the last few transfer windows you will see that the likes of Spurs and Liverpool have spent more than Chelsea in terms of money going out (forget the money coming in) and still have bought absolute trash. Money doesn't buy you success at the highest level in football as proven with PSG or Malaga. PSG struggling to top their domestic league and they spending stupid money. City also struggling to win in the league this season.
Again, 15,000 more people have season ticket than Standford bridge can handle, the majority of them are not going to travel a massive distance to see us week in and week out. And if they do travel from London ect, wouldn't that make them more real fans for making such an effort each week? As for anecdotal evidence of your couple of time entertaining from the corporate section, i suggest sitting in the stretty end and tell me its quiet. I won't claim we have the best fans in the world but to have a Chelsea fan take the high ground on glory supports is rich, not to mention the bias/disdain you seem to have since you go to the trouble of writing 'yanited' in every post you make.
While we have a lot of overseas support to say its full of tourists again is a joke, Chelsea is in London for heavens sake, if tourist are going anywhere its there. And your list is terrible written by a journalist, who claims to have been at each ground at least once(hardly scientific evidence), it puts the Etihad above Old Trafford, have you been to the Etihad? it's like a ghost town. I've heard better crowds at Bristol Rovers (non league side)
And just because clubs have spent big and spent unwisely doesn't change that Chelsea and City got bankrolled into relevance, and a lot of both their fanbase wouldn't even know the club existed if it wasn't for the billionaire owners
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On November 05 2014 02:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 00:37 UdderChaos wrote:On November 04 2014 22:04 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2014 20:41 Pandemona wrote:Right so after the Chelsea vs QPR game, Mourinho criticised Chelsea fans for not being very loud and to relaxed during the game. This was rightly so, the fans that game were pretty lacklustre after the first 10 minutes. Then when we scored they all kind of sat back and just chanted every now and then. After QPR equalized, QPR fans sang for the rest of the game and it pretty much felt like an away game for Chelsea. Thus the criticism from Mourinho saying the team switched off due to the crowd switching off. Cue the mass hysteria everywhere in Chelsea. Some people raging that they do what they want as they pay for their own tickets, others agreeing with Jose. Some people pointing to other things as the problem. I won't go into details about some of the things said because they will cause a shitstorm However there is one thing we need to address in England. Ticket prices. The fact is in England the reason home games are dull and lacklustre is due to the pricing market for the "bigger" teams in England. Chelsea away support i know first hand is unreal, singing for 90 minutes and the biggest fun i have ever had. But like we discussed if you are not in the MHL stand it can literally like being at the opera or ballet with high society. But when it costs £60+ a ticket to get into the ground then add in tube and rail costs to get just inside london your looking at a £100 day out. So the fans for every home game are just a bunch of tourist type fans. The ones every club needs to help the bank balance but the ones that take away the atmosphere. Due to this comment from Mourinho this was also released today; TOP 20 Loudest Grounds in Premier LeagueJust my monday morning rant Spot on. I couldn't agree with you more. I have my own opinions on this myself...I've gone to home and away games so far this season and every single time this year and in the past, the away games were 100x more fun, more raucous singing, banter and supporters were just more into it. Granted two of the home games, I was taking my younger nephews out so I was in the lower family stand but you could still tell from that view that all the noise was coming out of MHL. I know ticket prices are lower for cup matches, and clubs use this as their argument for their pricing structure but league matches are where it's at and not everyone can attend matches during the week which is when most CL/cup matches tend to fall... I dont know if the corporate argument holds that much water, how many seats do they actually take up? considering the stadium is 41 thousand strong i doubt any noticeable amount of that is corporate seating. It's probably to do with the age of fans, no offence to Chelsea, that he's used to in recent years. Teams like Madrid, United, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Liverpool ect have life long fans in large quantities, Chelsea's recent success has attracted the newer fans, who probably are more likely to sit there and watch the game rather than sing and are probably less passionate (merely because they haven't followed the club before 2003). Also the younger fan's don't always know the history and hence the old songs, also Chelsea is a product of billionaires play thing, there is less history there than say Madrid where the trophies go back generations. This means less things to sing about and less people to create the songs and pass them on. Signing is an older football tradition and if you don't have as many old fans as other big rivals then the singing isn't going to be as loud. I just wish everyone had Dortmund level fans (take off hipster hat) Chelsea's been around for a long time and definitely has a history, even if it isn't as prolific. The problem is entirely ticket prices. If your ticket prices out-price the young and the lower-middle class, then you simply won't have passionate fans. It means that only the upper-middle class can afford tickets, and these aren't people that are going to be as passionate and singing loudly and whatnot, especially when they bring families to games. The exact same thing happens in Minnesota (USA). Hockey is by far the most popular sport here (unlike every other state in the country), and yet our fans at hockey games (which are sold out 100% of the time) are embarrassingly quiet, and it's all because of pricing. The only people that can afford tickets to hockey games in Minnesota (or anywhere in the NHL) are middle-class people, usually older and usually families, so they aren't going to be loud or cheering a ton.
I think it's also because the fan culture in America is different. Going to sports games in America is almost boring. Here's a few things that really standout to me:
At American sports events there's music played over the speakers frequently during stoppages of play (and sometimes even while the ball is alive, like in the NBA). There's PA announcers and video screens constantly telling you when you should cheer and be excited. And there's distractions every time the play stops for a timeout, like cheerleaders, music, and silly stuff like watching a random fan try to kick a field goal, or shoot a basketball from the half court line. It's like they think people are too stupid to pay attention and know when to cheer and be excited.
Now watch a football match. There's no music or silly distractions to create the "atmosphere." The onus is completely on the fans.
There's also no history with most teams. Look at the example with the Minnesota Wild. The team didn't even exist until 2000. There's no traditions, no history, no songs, no club legends to speak about. There's no "Minnesota Wild way," there's no pride in wearing the same uniform as decades of great players that came before.
There used to be the Minnesota North Stars, but they skipped town in 1993, so technically all their history belongs to the Dallas Stars now.
It's not just in Minnesota either though. A lot of the teams in America's sports leagues didn't exist until the rapid expansion of the leagues in the 60s and 70s. Most of the football teams in Europe have been around since the early 20th century, or even the 19th century. They're deeply ingrained in the communities they call home.
Lastly, the way the competitions are structured is to blame. The lack of promotion and relegation, while good at promoting stability and profitability in clubs, breeds apathy. Let's take my local NFL team, the Detroit Lions, as an example. They've been horrible for decades. The last few years have been exceptions, but most seasons there's always excitement at the beginning of the season, but a few losses later and by the end of September they aren't playing meaningful games anymore, because they're too far down in the standings to make the playoffs. What reason is there to care and show up to the game? Win or lose the game doesn't even matter. At that point it's just an excuse to blow hundreds of dollars getting drunk in public.
In football, the constant threat of relegation makes every game meaningful. Look at clubs like Burnley or QPR in the Premier League. They have zero chance of winning the league at this point, or trying to qualify for European competition next season. In America, there'd be no more reason to care about their matches this season. But the looming threat of relegation makes every game important for the club, as they try to earn every point they can for Premier League survival. There's still a reason for the fans to show up to the game, and cheer on their team. But no such reason in America.
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Well, if your team is out of playoffs race early in the season you can always cheer for them to outtank everyone else and get that 1st pick next year 
I'm gonna side with people that say ticket prices are the biggest culprits when it comes to passionate fans in the stands, if you have a bunch of suits and people with families there won't be much action among the supporters. You need poor fanatics :D
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On November 05 2014 02:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:
The problem is entirely ticket prices.
If your ticket prices out-price the young and the lower-middle class, then you simply won't have passionate fans. It means that only the upper-middle class can afford tickets, and these aren't people that are going to be as passionate and singing loudly and whatnot, especially when they bring families to games. The exact same thing happens in Minnesota (USA). Hockey is by far the most popular sport here (unlike every other state in the country), and yet our fans at hockey games (which are sold out 100% of the time) are embarrassingly quiet, and it's all because of pricing. The only people that can afford tickets to hockey games in Minnesota (or anywhere in the NHL) are middle-class people, usually older and usually families, so they aren't going to be loud or cheering a ton.
Agree with you on the ticket prices, though when I used to live in the US, I was living in Philly and their teams seem to be the exception, some sports their prices are lower compared to the competition, so the rowdier supporters are there, but even their hockey (which I had attended) and NFL teams seem to have crazy pricing and those fans...are something else whether corporate or middle-class, they seem to spew the most, ahem, passionate feelings during games... Maybe it depends on the city. At least that's the impression I got. Maybe some more of the Americans could enlighten me on this?
But as far as football is concerned, ticket prices definitely determine the types of crowd and thus the atmosphere. Although I'm not entirely sure how Everton price their tickets for home fans...I've been to Everton away the last three years, and I'm surprised I haven't lost my hearing yet.
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