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nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
November 02 2014 15:43 GMT
#6661
pretty cool homework.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4202 Posts
November 02 2014 16:00 GMT
#6662
On November 03 2014 00:09 Mensol wrote:
You know your midfield is shit when Fellaini plays for 90 minutes.


I think LVG didnt really have a choice, he needed a target man for long balls.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
November 02 2014 16:03 GMT
#6663
Fellanini adds a little bit of size and power which United are very short of. He is however pretty clumsy and gave away a clear penalty that wasn't given.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
November 02 2014 16:08 GMT
#6664
Sweet Borussia. Champions League 2015/2016. Make it happen :-)

+ Show Spoiler +
(obviously talking about Gladbach here)
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
November 02 2014 16:11 GMT
#6665
Dortmund have a great chance of been champions of the 2015/2016 2.Bundesliga.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
November 02 2014 16:49 GMT
#6666
On November 03 2014 00:04 Malaz wrote:
East Germany for example is still criminal underrepresented in German football and there is a huge lack of good football clubs.

Which, atleast for now, is a really good thing for German football overall.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
November 02 2014 16:53 GMT
#6667
On November 03 2014 01:49 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 00:04 Malaz wrote:
East Germany for example is still criminal underrepresented in German football and there is a huge lack of good football clubs.

Which, atleast for now, is a really good thing for German football overall.

I can imagine that RedBull Leipzig will be a top3 bundesliga team in 5 years.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 02 2014 17:12 GMT
#6668
Spurs lost against Newcastle last week and now losing against Aston Villa.

mhmhmhm, future not looking bright for Pochettino.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 17:47:17
November 02 2014 17:17 GMT
#6669
Pochettino did so well at Southampton. Its hard to see what’s going on at Tottenham. Half the time the players just don't look motivated enough like they can't be bothered. But Pochettino did such a good job if exactly that making his players motivated at Southampton last year. Its hard to think it could be his fault. He hasn't had that much control of what players have come to the club though.

edit:Its just descending into a brawl at Villa park.

Net result Benteke has been sent off. Not sure that’s entirely fair it looked like everyone kicked off to me.

edit 2: Weinman gets booked for quite viloently confronting the linesman. Calm down Villa your actually winning for once.

edit 3: Harry kane has won it for Spurs.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 02 2014 17:47 GMT
#6670
LOL that was very unfortunate for Aston Villa :D
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
November 02 2014 18:40 GMT
#6671
On November 03 2014 00:04 Malaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 20:33 Greg_J wrote:
I'm not that knowledgeable about German football so forgive me for asking stupid questions. Dortmund has the highest attendance in domestic Football. So why can't they be a top class club?

Basically my understanding is that German clubs have to be majority owned by the fans and as a result have reasonable priced tickets and aren’t allowed deficit spending. Which is great for German football domestically and means you get much more affordable games and great attendances and atmosphere at games and hopefully stable clubs not bankrupting themselves for short term success. Even if it has the effect of making it harder for German clubs to compete with foreign clubs that operate on bankrolled deficit spending. So very largely my question is how come Munchen are so much wealthier than the rest of the Bundesliga if they have to operate under the same conditions and with a lower Attendance than Dortmund. Are they just a big brand around Europe selling more merchandise?


In my opinion there are numerous reasons why Bayern are so far ahead of Dortmund (and the rest of the league).
As much as I despise Bayern and Hoeneß, I have to admit that good management is probably the biggest one.

In addition there were different factors that benefited them.
The foundation of Bayerns status is the team that dominated the league and Europe in the early 70ties with players like Beckenbauer, Müller, Maier etc. Their success generated many fans, not only in Munich/Bavaria but also in the rest of the country. Finding those young players is of course partly due to good scouting, but sheer luck is maybe also a factor.
For example Beckenbauer had a try-out for 1860 Munich, the more succesfull Munich club at the time. He got into an argument during the try-out and one of the 1860 players gave him a slap in the face. Beckenbauer decided against joining 1860 afterwards and joined Bayern instead. Maybe things would have turned out different if he didn't get bitchslapped?

A happenstance for Bayern was Olympia 1972 in Munich which gave them a huge stadium basically for free, which is quite a competitive advantage. You need good management to capatalize on this adavantage of course.

When the Olympiastadium wasn't sufficient any longer, Bayern build the Allianz Arena together with 1860 Munich. Luckily for Bayern the management of 1860 is notriously bad and the president at the time Karl Heinz Wildmoser decided to build the stadium together with Bayern out of hubris. A stadium that is way to big and expensive for 1860 and a decission that was disapproved of by most of the 1860 fanbase.
Bayern could have built the stadium on there own, but they needed 1860, because otherwise the city of Munich and the state of Bavaria wouldn't have paid for all the infrastructur that was needed for the Allianz Arena.

Another factor that was already mentioned in this threat is the difference between NRW and Bavaria.
NRW is the heart of German football with clubs like Köln, Mönchengladbach, Schalke, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Bochum, Duisburg, Essen or Düsseldorf. So even though NRW is the state with the most inhabitants in Germany, basically every major city has there own football club.
In Bavaria you have clubs like Augsburg, Fürth, 1860 or Ingolstadt. But the major two are 1. FC Nürnberg and of course Bayern München. Nürnberg has a lot of fans in all of Franconia, a part of Bavaria with a different political background and even a quite different dialect/accent. In Franconia the percentage of Bayern fans is lower than in the rest of Bavaria, but overall Bayern has the largest fanbase in Bavaria, not only in Munich itself.
If you had one football club that would have the majority of football fans from NRW behind them, that club would have way more financial power than Schalke or Dortmund on their own.
Also you have to consider that Bavaria is the wealthiest state in Germany and Munich is the richest city besides Hamburg with lots of big companies like Allianz, Siemens or BMW. Ingolstadt with AUDI is also only 1 hour away, hence the sponsorship. There is just a lot of financial power in Bavaria and especially in Munich and the area around Munich, making Bayern Munich even more attractive for sponsors.

A last point I want to mention, is that Bayern is the only club that has a large fanbase all over Germany. The fanbases of the other clubs are mostly local. Nowadays Dortmund has quite a few fans outside of Dortmund, mostly people that dislike Bayern, but compared to Bayern they still have very few. Mönchengladbach has some fans in the other parts of the country because of the Fohlenelf back in the days and St. Pauli has some because they have the image of beeing alternative.

East Germany for example is still criminal underrepresented in German football and there is a huge lack of good football clubs. With few local teams to support, a lot of people in East Germany started to support Bayern, because they simply are the most successfull club for decades now.

If you look at an even larger scale, Bayern is the only German club that really is a international brand nowadays. They are the only one that can compete with Real/Barca or the top Premier league clubs from a sheer monetary point and that's not going to change anytime soon in my opinion.




Sums it up very good. I also cant believe "Franken" is translated into Franconia.
Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
November 02 2014 18:53 GMT
#6672
Villa got rather unlucky there. There was a big scuffle with many players when Benteke got sent off, and Lamela pushed him and Mason stuck his head forward and got in Beteke's face. Benteke then pushed his head away. There was nothing in it really. An official who can use some common sense would just tell them to all fuck off and resume play. Spurs didn't look like scoring at all before the sending off.
TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
November 02 2014 18:57 GMT
#6673
On November 03 2014 01:11 Greg_J wrote:
Dortmund have a great chance of been champions of the 2015/2016 2.Bundesliga.


[image loading]

beautiful

btw skodran mustafi seems to be on fire. 2 goals vs villareal and valencia are 2nd now. I am really happy for him!
Respect my authoritah!!
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 02 2014 19:38 GMT
#6674
On November 03 2014 03:40 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 00:04 Malaz wrote:
On November 02 2014 20:33 Greg_J wrote:
I'm not that knowledgeable about German football so forgive me for asking stupid questions. Dortmund has the highest attendance in domestic Football. So why can't they be a top class club?

Basically my understanding is that German clubs have to be majority owned by the fans and as a result have reasonable priced tickets and aren’t allowed deficit spending. Which is great for German football domestically and means you get much more affordable games and great attendances and atmosphere at games and hopefully stable clubs not bankrupting themselves for short term success. Even if it has the effect of making it harder for German clubs to compete with foreign clubs that operate on bankrolled deficit spending. So very largely my question is how come Munchen are so much wealthier than the rest of the Bundesliga if they have to operate under the same conditions and with a lower Attendance than Dortmund. Are they just a big brand around Europe selling more merchandise?


In my opinion there are numerous reasons why Bayern are so far ahead of Dortmund (and the rest of the league).
As much as I despise Bayern and Hoeneß, I have to admit that good management is probably the biggest one.

In addition there were different factors that benefited them.
The foundation of Bayerns status is the team that dominated the league and Europe in the early 70ties with players like Beckenbauer, Müller, Maier etc. Their success generated many fans, not only in Munich/Bavaria but also in the rest of the country. Finding those young players is of course partly due to good scouting, but sheer luck is maybe also a factor.
For example Beckenbauer had a try-out for 1860 Munich, the more succesfull Munich club at the time. He got into an argument during the try-out and one of the 1860 players gave him a slap in the face. Beckenbauer decided against joining 1860 afterwards and joined Bayern instead. Maybe things would have turned out different if he didn't get bitchslapped?

A happenstance for Bayern was Olympia 1972 in Munich which gave them a huge stadium basically for free, which is quite a competitive advantage. You need good management to capatalize on this adavantage of course.

When the Olympiastadium wasn't sufficient any longer, Bayern build the Allianz Arena together with 1860 Munich. Luckily for Bayern the management of 1860 is notriously bad and the president at the time Karl Heinz Wildmoser decided to build the stadium together with Bayern out of hubris. A stadium that is way to big and expensive for 1860 and a decission that was disapproved of by most of the 1860 fanbase.
Bayern could have built the stadium on there own, but they needed 1860, because otherwise the city of Munich and the state of Bavaria wouldn't have paid for all the infrastructur that was needed for the Allianz Arena.

Another factor that was already mentioned in this threat is the difference between NRW and Bavaria.
NRW is the heart of German football with clubs like Köln, Mönchengladbach, Schalke, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Bochum, Duisburg, Essen or Düsseldorf. So even though NRW is the state with the most inhabitants in Germany, basically every major city has there own football club.
In Bavaria you have clubs like Augsburg, Fürth, 1860 or Ingolstadt. But the major two are 1. FC Nürnberg and of course Bayern München. Nürnberg has a lot of fans in all of Franconia, a part of Bavaria with a different political background and even a quite different dialect/accent. In Franconia the percentage of Bayern fans is lower than in the rest of Bavaria, but overall Bayern has the largest fanbase in Bavaria, not only in Munich itself.
If you had one football club that would have the majority of football fans from NRW behind them, that club would have way more financial power than Schalke or Dortmund on their own.
Also you have to consider that Bavaria is the wealthiest state in Germany and Munich is the richest city besides Hamburg with lots of big companies like Allianz, Siemens or BMW. Ingolstadt with AUDI is also only 1 hour away, hence the sponsorship. There is just a lot of financial power in Bavaria and especially in Munich and the area around Munich, making Bayern Munich even more attractive for sponsors.

A last point I want to mention, is that Bayern is the only club that has a large fanbase all over Germany. The fanbases of the other clubs are mostly local. Nowadays Dortmund has quite a few fans outside of Dortmund, mostly people that dislike Bayern, but compared to Bayern they still have very few. Mönchengladbach has some fans in the other parts of the country because of the Fohlenelf back in the days and St. Pauli has some because they have the image of beeing alternative.

East Germany for example is still criminal underrepresented in German football and there is a huge lack of good football clubs. With few local teams to support, a lot of people in East Germany started to support Bayern, because they simply are the most successfull club for decades now.

If you look at an even larger scale, Bayern is the only German club that really is a international brand nowadays. They are the only one that can compete with Real/Barca or the top Premier league clubs from a sheer monetary point and that's not going to change anytime soon in my opinion.




Sums it up very good. I also cant believe "Franken" is translated into Franconia.


It does sum it up quite well. Bayern established themselves long ago as the top dogs in Germany, and any club that wants to establish themselves has to be able to contend with them (and other big clubs in Europe), which the system makes very hard.

In other news, Dortmund is now tied for last place and Hummels is out for 3 weeks with an ankle injury.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 02 2014 21:52 GMT
#6675
Manuel Pellegrini has hinted at a move for Steven Gerrard if the midfielder fails to agree a new deal at Liverpool.

Manchester City is such a dirty team rofl.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 02 2014 22:19 GMT
#6676
On November 03 2014 06:52 Mensol wrote:
Manuel Pellegrini has hinted at a move for Steven Gerrard if the midfielder fails to agree a new deal at Liverpool.

Manchester City is such a dirty team rofl.


I highly doubt Gerrard is going anywhere, and Man City can be a dirty team all they want, but they still look like a bunch of chumps when they lose cups to teams like Wigan and are completely impotent in the CL year after year of ridiculous spending.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 22:41:45
November 02 2014 22:31 GMT
#6677
On November 03 2014 01:53 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 01:49 clusen wrote:
On November 03 2014 00:04 Malaz wrote:
East Germany for example is still criminal underrepresented in German football and there is a huge lack of good football clubs.

Which, atleast for now, is a really good thing for German football overall.

I can imagine that RedBull Leipzig will be a top3 bundesliga team in 5 years.

Which wouldnt change the lack of good football clubs in eastern germany. This "club" essentially had to be forced by the DFL (germany football league organisation) to allow membership for people who are not affiliated with redbull iirc.
But then again, if the traditional clubs in the region (of saxony in particular) continue to fail, I dont think I can blame the people there for being happy to finally see some topclass football next to them.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
November 02 2014 22:44 GMT
#6678
On November 03 2014 00:09 Mensol wrote:
You know your midfield is shit when Fellaini plays for 90 minutes.


I'm no Fellaini fan, but frankly I think he was there best player today. He was all over the park. He was bringing balls down. holding stuff up. Managed to get a way with a nibble here and there that couldve been free kicks and pens (always something you want your box to box guy to do). He read the game amazingly well and found himself in crucial spots on the defensive end and made life a nightmare for Kompany on offensive set pieces.

Big part of the reason United didnt get mauled today which was to have been expected after Smalling and his mega gaffes.
fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
November 02 2014 23:03 GMT
#6679
Best player for United was de Gea
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
November 02 2014 23:08 GMT
#6680
On November 03 2014 08:03 fbs wrote:
Best player for United was de Gea

I don't know I thought the referee had a pretty good game for United.
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