EPT2014 - 2015 Football Thread - Page 333
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On November 02 2014 20:33 Greg_J wrote: I'm not that knowledgeable about German football so forgive me for asking stupid questions. Dortmund has the highest attendance in domestic Football. So why can't they be a top class club? Basically my understanding is that German clubs have to be majority owned by the fans and as a result have reasonable priced tickets and aren’t allowed deficit spending. Which is great for German football domestically and means you get much more affordable games and great attendances and atmosphere at games and hopefully stable clubs not bankrupting themselves for short term success. Even if it has the effect of making it harder for German clubs to compete with foreign clubs that operate on bankrolled deficit spending. So very largely my question is how come Munchen are so much wealthier than the rest of the Bundesliga if they have to operate under the same conditions and with a lower Attendance than Dortmund. Are they just a big brand around Europe selling more merchandise? In my opinion there are numerous reasons why Bayern are so far ahead of Dortmund (and the rest of the league). As much as I despise Bayern and Hoeneß, I have to admit that good management is probably the biggest one. In addition there were different factors that benefited them. The foundation of Bayerns status is the team that dominated the league and Europe in the early 70ties with players like Beckenbauer, Müller, Maier etc. Their success generated many fans, not only in Munich/Bavaria but also in the rest of the country. Finding those young players is of course partly due to good scouting, but sheer luck is maybe also a factor. For example Beckenbauer had a try-out for 1860 Munich, the more succesfull Munich club at the time. He got into an argument during the try-out and one of the 1860 players gave him a slap in the face. Beckenbauer decided against joining 1860 afterwards and joined Bayern instead. Maybe things would have turned out different if he didn't get bitchslapped?  A happenstance for Bayern was Olympia 1972 in Munich which gave them a huge stadium basically for free, which is quite a competitive advantage. You need good management to capatalize on this adavantage of course. When the Olympiastadium wasn't sufficient any longer, Bayern build the Allianz Arena together with 1860 Munich. Luckily for Bayern the management of 1860 is notriously bad and the president at the time Karl Heinz Wildmoser decided to build the stadium together with Bayern out of hubris. A stadium that is way to big and expensive for 1860 and a decission that was disapproved of by most of the 1860 fanbase. Bayern could have built the stadium on there own, but they needed 1860, because otherwise the city of Munich and the state of Bavaria wouldn't have paid for all the infrastructur that was needed for the Allianz Arena. Another factor that was already mentioned in this threat is the difference between NRW and Bavaria. NRW is the heart of German football with clubs like Köln, Mönchengladbach, Schalke, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Bochum, Duisburg, Essen or Düsseldorf. So even though NRW is the state with the most inhabitants in Germany, basically every major city has there own football club. In Bavaria you have clubs like Augsburg, Fürth, 1860 or Ingolstadt. But the major two are 1. FC Nürnberg and of course Bayern München. Nürnberg has a lot of fans in all of Franconia, a part of Bavaria with a different political background and even a quite different dialect/accent. In Franconia the percentage of Bayern fans is lower than in the rest of Bavaria, but overall Bayern has the largest fanbase in Bavaria, not only in Munich itself. If you had one football club that would have the majority of football fans from NRW behind them, that club would have way more financial power than Schalke or Dortmund on their own. Also you have to consider that Bavaria is the wealthiest state in Germany and Munich is the richest city besides Hamburg with lots of big companies like Allianz, Siemens or BMW. Ingolstadt with AUDI is also only 1 hour away, hence the sponsorship. There is just a lot of financial power in Bavaria and especially in Munich and the area around Munich, making Bayern Munich even more attractive for sponsors. A last point I want to mention, is that Bayern is the only club that has a large fanbase all over Germany. The fanbases of the other clubs are mostly local. Nowadays Dortmund has quite a few fans outside of Dortmund, mostly people that dislike Bayern, but compared to Bayern they still have very few. Mönchengladbach has some fans in the other parts of the country because of the Fohlenelf back in the days and St. Pauli has some because they have the image of beeing alternative. East Germany for example is still criminal underrepresented in German football and there is a huge lack of good football clubs. With few local teams to support, a lot of people in East Germany started to support Bayern, because they simply are the most successfull club for decades now. If you look at an even larger scale, Bayern is the only German club that really is a international brand nowadays. They are the only one that can compete with Real/Barca or the top Premier league clubs from a sheer monetary point and that's not going to change anytime soon in my opinion. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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he needs to get his shit together if he wants to be in the first 11 ahead of falcao bring on herrera and put rooney up top and wow rooney almost just soloed man city | ||
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^ I will read that big long reply above after te game. Thanks for discussing it with me Malaz ^ | ||
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Hopefully the east German clubs will find their feet and become a little bit more represented in the future. As a neutral supporter of the Bundesliga maybe I should buy Dynamo Dresden and Lokomotive Leipzig shirts, hehe. | ||
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