Is anyone familiar with what the Cavs would have to do in order to put themselves in a position to sign Love as a UFA next season if he decides to do the anti-Melo and wait it out to give the Cavs as much as possible? I can't imagine that they could do it outright, particularly if Love isn't going to take a huge discount.

Are there any benefits to trading for Love and then extending him as opposed to signing him as an FA?

I haven't really read much about what kind of salary Love would be looking to get from the Cavs or how a trade or signing him would actually happen.

zev318

Canada4306 Posts

July 31 2014 01:51 GMT

#1422

On July 31 2014 10:45 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
Is anyone familiar with what the Cavs would have to do in order to put themselves in a position to sign Love as a UFA next season if he decides to do the anti-Melo and wait it out to give the Cavs as much as possible? I can't imagine that they could do it outright, particularly if Love isn't going to take a huge discount.

Are there any benefits to trading for Love and then extending him as opposed to signing him as an FA?

I haven't really read much about what kind of salary Love would be looking to get from the Cavs or how a trade or signing him would actually happen.

pretty sure they could not offer him a max contract (probably nothing even remotely close to that unless they waive everyone.)

benefit is that they can go over the cap to resign love.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

July 31 2014 01:53 GMT

#1423

http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-cavaliers-agree-to-trade-andrew-wiggins-l,36500/

Xeris

Iran17695 Posts

July 31 2014 06:42 GMT

#1424

Won't they have his early bird rights if he plays there for a year (or mini-bird rights)? I feel like they'd be able to exceed the cap to re-sign him, and then they'd have full bird rights on everyone else that'd be a free agent such as Dion Waiter, Wiggins & Bennett eventually. So technically they can keep this team together if they don't make other moves.

I'd hate it if Love went to the Cavs though. It's stupid to just stack teams like that. I feel like in the past, if a team got stacked in such a way it was because of some shrewd front office maneuvering while today it's just players getting together taking paycuts to increase their chances of winning.

It may be because there wasn't much media coverage of this stuff pre-2000's, but I imagine that in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, players just kinda played and let the front office put the teams together and whatever the team was is what they had to work with. Maybe players schemed together back then, too? It just seems stupid now -- also because all the NBA players are friends now, you don't have genuine rivalries and hatreds that you had in previous generations, so everyone's trying to find ways to get on the same team as their bros.

Ru ba

Serbia1812 Posts

July 31 2014 08:18 GMT

#1425

im like halfway through that bill simmons book,its actually pretty funny and enjoyable
if you get the chance pick it up

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 31 2014 09:01 GMT

#1426

On July 31 2014 15:42 Xeris wrote:
Won't they have his early bird rights if he plays there for a year (or mini-bird rights)? I feel like they'd be able to exceed the cap to re-sign him, and then they'd have full bird rights on everyone else that'd be a free agent such as Dion Waiter, Wiggins & Bennett eventually. So technically they can keep this team together if they don't make other moves.

I'd hate it if Love went to the Cavs though. It's stupid to just stack teams like that. I feel like in the past, if a team got stacked in such a way it was because of some shrewd front office maneuvering while today it's just players getting together taking paycuts to increase their chances of winning.

It may be because there wasn't much media coverage of this stuff pre-2000's, but I imagine that in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, players just kinda played and let the front office put the teams together and whatever the team was is what they had to work with. Maybe players schemed together back then, too? It just seems stupid now -- also because all the NBA players are friends now, you don't have genuine rivalries and hatreds that you had in previous generations, so everyone's trying to find ways to get on the same team as their bros.

Oscar Robertson is adored for a reason. Read up on how Free Agency started and what was going on back then. Players were always friends and the best always wanted to team up. Jordan and Magic are two of the biggest examples of superstars that forced their franchises hands. Jordan was going to leave for the Knicks if they didn't pay him even though he had a stacked team, and Magic wasn't going to go to the league if he didn't get drafted by the Lakers. Players didn't just sit back and let GMs dictate moves. Barkley is a great example of player outrage there too. Just that certain teams were superstacked because back then very few knew about team building and cheating, corruption and lopsided trades were rampant.

As for the rivalries and hatreds - it doesn't seem as intense now because we aren't nostalgic about it and because...there aren't enough super teams for one to develop

. The 80s Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, Pistons, and honorable mention to the Blazers along with the 90s Bulls were relatively stacked compared to even the Miami Heat and Boston Celtics of recent times. If Lebron had prime Wade, Bosh, Ben Wallace and Steph Curry and they all got drafted/traded to Miami would you really feel "better" about it when they run rampant through the league until players and GMs from other teams combine to stop it? Think about it because there was a dynasty in an earlier era that forced this to happen.

Xeris

Iran17695 Posts

August 01 2014 21:30 GMT

#1427

only real rivalry in recent history imo is Lakers-Kings from the early 2000's

Ru ba

Serbia1812 Posts

August 01 2014 23:13 GMT

#1428

yes

XaI)CyRiC

United States4471 Posts

August 01 2014 23:19 GMT

#1429

I don't know. I think there is some argument for the 3-year rivalry between the Kobe/Gasol Lakers and the Big 3 Celtics from 2008 to 2010. The teams clearly disliked each other and would likely have met in the Finals all three seasons but for KG's injury in 2009. The history of the two franchises added to the rivalry, as you had the two most successful NBA teams in the league going against each other with multiple HOF players involved. It may not have been a particularly outstanding or long-lasting rivalry, but I think it should still be considered one.