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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
oh, and i dreamt last night that rockets lost to a love-less wolves by 60+ points 188 to something crazy. lol | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13529 Posts
If the Cavs mysteriously trade the #1 in the coming days for say Love then I'd bank on LeBron heading back to Ohio. | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
It's basically the 12th and Afflalo for free, if you buy the fact that they were always planning to take Embiid and were baiting other GMs for free stuff. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13529 Posts
It's too risky to take on embiid if it means passing on parker/wigg or even Exum. Cavs can't afford to whiff like last year. Only way id trade that pick is for a proven young star. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On June 25 2014 06:27 Itsmedudeman wrote: If wade opts in there is almost no hope of that miami team winning the championship next year. Even then though, I think it'd put a really terrible image on lebron if he keeps team hopping like this. only way he would not suffer would be going back to cleveland. he probably also understands that if he manages to win a few more championships it'll be told in a idfferent light. but then again he has to deal with cleveland's owner. also seems like embiid has legit bone density concerns which is a big big risk for a high energy big man to have. can you imagine your 80 year old grandma playing nba center with her skeletal structure | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 24 2014 23:41 karazax wrote: The key clue on the chances of Lebron leaving will be whether Wade opts in or out. Maybe Wade is all about winning to the point that he will take a huge paycut. Maybe he has enough money stacked away that he will go for rings over cash. But he is already on the decline and if the Heat were to make moves JUST on what would make the team better, I don't know that the Heat would even bring back Wade if he opted out. And there is no way he gets another contract from anyone comparable to what opting in would give him. Lebron said he isn't taking a pay cut just so the Heat can avoid the luxury tax penalty, but the Heat would be 4th year offenders if they do what he wants and the cost will be insane. Certainly their owner could afford to do it if he doesn't mind losing millions for his entertainment, but it's a cost that would continue to rise. They weren't willing to pay it this year to keep Mike Miller against Lebron's wishes. If the Heat aren't willing to take a big loss in luxury tax then the chances of Lebron leaving increase a lot. wades been underpaid his entire career... wonder he decided that hes going to get paid now | ||
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
On June 25 2014 06:27 Itsmedudeman wrote: If wade opts in there is almost no hope of that miami team winning the championship next year. Even then though, I think it'd put a really terrible image on lebron if he keeps team hopping like this. He is (turns?) 30 and has been with 2 teams his entire career. That cannot really be considered team hopping, or is it different in the US? | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 25 2014 13:41 Malinor wrote: He is (turns?) 30 and has been with 2 teams his entire career. That cannot really be considered team hopping, or is it different in the US? It'd mostly be because he himself is choosing to leave solely because he doesn't think the team can win championships anymore. It'd be seen as disloyal and selfish. Also, this was a team that won 2 championships and been to the finals 4 times in a row. Leaving so soon after things go awry won't be looked at too kindly. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
i don't see lebron joining, don't really want melo...bosh would be ok. lowry would be great, need that intensity...imagine him and beverley for 48 minutes. :O but...dunno how he'd go with mchale given their history lol i really want to see wade opt in hahah. heat would be screwed | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
Houston: For Houston, you are essentially burning the roster of all players not named Dwight Howard or James Harden. If I find a way to eliminate the rest of the roster entirely, I open up $21,186,754. It’s not a max but it is really close. Now, it comes down to how much sacrifice would Lebron be willing to make to play in Houston. The obvious first step is to keep Parsons and Beverly. This involves not waiving Bev and maintaining Parsons’ bird rights through his $1,760,350 cap hold. I can now offer Lebron $19,018,497. Now you just have to find teams willing to take on Lin, Asik, Jones, Motiejunas, and pick 25 without sending back salary. Perhaps something like Lin and 25 to Milwaukee for 3 second rounders spread out over the next couple years. Then send Asik, Jones, and Motiejunas to Cleveland for Alonzo Gee($0 guaranteed), Scotty Hopson ($0 guaranteed), and a future 2nd. Keeping Jones reduces the Lebron fund down to $17,907,153. I’ll assume he takes over a 4MM pay cut for Dwight and Harden in the absolute best case scenario. Kyrie/Waiters/Wiggins/Thompson/Asik with Jack/Delladova/Bennett/Motie/Hawes would be interesting in the east. Not easy either way. I don't see Houston pulling it off. Whole thread is here, interesting read if nothing else. http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/290sit/a_look_at_which_teams_are_within_striking/ | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On June 25 2014 14:33 oneofthem wrote: lebron and har_en would be hilarious. i dont think lebron would go to a team where he has to continue to carry the defensive load. he's not 24 anymore. lol. yer, he's called James Haren on the boards  On June 25 2014 14:25 Vindicare605 wrote: Someone on reddit crunched the math. Not easy either way. I don't see Houston pulling it off. Whole thread is here, interesting read if nothing else. http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/290sit/a_look_at_which_teams_are_within_striking/ i really don't see any team that will help morey clearing cap space to land lebron, i think he burnt a few bridges getting harden and dwight. regardless, this FA is really interesting, taking a lot of spotlight away from the draft too. as long as we get one of the four i mentioned i'll be pretty happy, preferably lowry or love | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
I don't see Carmelo or Lebron coming West. Lowry maybe, Love possibly but not those two. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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seiferoth10
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On June 25 2014 17:26 Jerubaal wrote: Or Lebron takes a ridiculous paycut. I mean, I think Lebron is looking to take a paycut one way or the other. Unless he manages to convince Wade and Bosh to take big cuts while he doesn't (it's more likely they all take equal cuts), there aren't any nice max contract sized holes in championship teams for him to fill. i wonder if he takes a ridiculous paycut, say something like 8m a year, silver would step in and veto the signing for "basketball purposes. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On June 25 2014 15:05 Vindicare605 wrote: Thing is, I think there's more incentive for Lebron and Carmelo to stay in the East. Coming out West just means they're stacking the conference even harder and it makes it even less likely that they'll be able to make the finals let alone win one. I don't see Carmelo or Lebron coming West. Lowry maybe, Love possibly but not those two. Totally agree with this. The east is just so much easier if all you care about is rings. Would be dumb to go West for less money and more competition. I think he stays in Miami for his kids and legacy. I doubt he wants to live in Cleveland again. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On June 25 2014 14:54 Doraemon wrote: i really don't see any team that will help morey clearing cap space to land lebron, i think he burnt a few bridges getting harden and dwight. regardless, this FA is really interesting, taking a lot of spotlight away from the draft too. as long as we get one of the four i mentioned i'll be pretty happy, preferably lowry or love Lebron is a pipe dream, but Morey is talking about clearing the cap space as if it's a formality at this point, which implies they already have deals in place if they get the commitment from a star player. Lebron has referred to Harden as his "lil bro", but if he would prefer to team with Carmello, don't think Morey wouldn't trade anyone including Harden or Howard if it guaranteed landing Lebron. Convincing Lebron to come is the challenge, creating the space is not expected to be a problem. Now is the East an easier path? Sure, but if you are the best team in the league it won't matter that much. You could even argue it would increase his legacy to win titles in both the east and the west. The Rockets won as many games as the Heat did this year without Lebron in the west. The East, if all things are equal, is the easier path, but that only matters if you are confident that once you get to the Finals you have a good chance to win. And specific to the Rockets, he would have the bonus of the opportunity to make the Spurs the 2nd best team in Texas. The Clippers has some appeal, but they would have to lose either Griffin, or a combination of Jordan, Crawford and probably one or more other core players not named Chris Paul and Blake Griffin to create the cap space. Not impossible, but they would be losing important starters. I really don't think going back to Cleveland helps his reputation with anyone outside of Cavs fans. If you hate Lebron at this point, the only chance you will stop hating him is if he joins your team. Plus the Cavs owner took some personal shots at Lebron after he left, which can't help their chances. If Lebron switches teams, Heat fans will hate him, whatever team gets him will love him, and I expect most everyone else already hates him or won't care what team he plays for. Poll: Who would be the best "big 3"? Lebron, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin (5) Lebron, James Harden, Dwight Howard (2) Lebron, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah (1) Lebron, Kyrie Irving, #1 Cavs pick (0) Lebron, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh (0) 8 total votes Your vote: Who would be the best "big 3"? (Vote): Lebron, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin | ||
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