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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 26 2014 18:25 GMT
#2301
The Klay for Love non-trade was a terrible mistake. Classic Status Quo Bias situation. I don't know what the Warriors think they have in Klay but Kevin Love is 26 and probably a future Hall of Famer.

I think Zach Lowe said on a Simmons' podcast that the Warriors were afraid of 1-4 pick and rolls that featured Curry and Love on defense. I guess. But it's shows such a silly rationalization to maintain the current roster. The Warriors were probably just scared to make the trade.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-26 18:42:23
October 26 2014 18:32 GMT
#2302
That's a hilarious justification because it's not like Klay is going to stop that from happening now with David Lee in the lineup. Could just promote Draymond Green to the starting line up and be done with it....


ughhh I hope this bitch gets locked up. Falsifying domestic abuse charges leads to shit like this. Cost this guy his job. (Dante Cunningham DV situation)

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11750556&src=desktop&wjb
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 26 2014 18:45 GMT
#2303
Wouldn't you rather have the Stephen Curry/Kevin Love two man game and make your opponent answer that? The Warriors were to concerned with having the answer when they could have built the threat. It was a watered down version of the 2011 "Can Wade and Lebron play together" nonsense. The answer is, who cares? Who can guard either of them?
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 26 2014 18:48 GMT
#2304
Pretty much. Especially when you have freakin Bogut and Iguodala on the court too. Or as some people say let PG stopper Klay guard them if it's that serious.

Just such a pants on head mistake.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
JuneMay
Profile Joined May 2011
49 Posts
October 26 2014 20:26 GMT
#2305
On October 27 2014 00:10 Haiq343 wrote:
That is some incredible Klay fanboism. Are we gonna get the Dion Waiter's BUCKETS DNT argument next?

Klay is decent/good at most things. He's tall. His most notable weakness is that he is not (yet?) a creator of his own offense, and certainly not for his teammates. GS has bet that he's going to continue to improve, and that they feel it's important to have a bigger co-gaurd to pair with Curry.

Korver does one thing stupendously well, and has built his game around running screens etc to make his shooting even more potent. He's also continued to add to his game and despite his reputation has always been a tolerable team-defender.

The comparison between the two is a little silly. However it's totally reasonable to debate if Klay is going to be 'worth' the contract he's going to get (I can't imagine someone doesn't offer him the bazillions) because he is not, at this point, remotely as good as the top-tier dudes. And as Ace was saying, Curry, Bogut and Iggy are all probably more important to the team's success. Although with the new salary cap who knows what's about to happen. We can also question not trading him for Love, which is still mind-blowing to me.



I agree with everything you said here, except I'm not even Klay fanboy or even gs fan. I'm spurs fan. Also nowhere did I say anything about worth of Klay or my opinions on that. I simply found silly comparison of Klay and Korver. Klay is obviously much better player already.

And as for guy that called me motherfuker that thinks this is his "neighborhood", son I'm watching and following NBA probably longer then you are alive. That is my neighborhood. If u disagree with something I said, u can argue with me on it. But just trying to play big shot, or some sheriff of these parts wont do. I'm ready to destroy you kiddo any time of the day.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 26 2014 21:00 GMT
#2306
http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players?utf8=✓&q=klay thompson&season=2013
http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players?utf8=✓&q=kyle korver&season=2013

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=✓&player_ids[]=476&player_ids[]=36&season=2013

Do you want me to include the shooting efficiency numbers too?


Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
October 26 2014 21:12 GMT
#2307
On October 27 2014 03:32 Ace wrote:
That's a hilarious justification because it's not like Klay is going to stop that from happening now with David Lee in the lineup. Could just promote Draymond Green to the starting line up and be done with it....


ughhh I hope this bitch gets locked up. Falsifying domestic abuse charges leads to shit like this. Cost this guy his job. (Dante Cunningham DV situation)

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11750556&src=desktop&wjb

I didn't hear about the charge fabrication, so thanks for posting. Cunningham always seemed like a good guy at 'Nova and with his time with the Wolves. I remember being surprised when the DV allegations came out. She really should be harshly punished for her actions, it's a really horrible thing to do.

As for this Korver-Klay business, I have Ace mentally tagged as "literally Zach Lowe" and I agree with him in this case. Korver is a game breaker. If you leave him open, you pay, and harshly. That's humongous.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 26 2014 21:18 GMT
#2308
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 26 2014 21:39 GMT
#2309
david lee is one of those guys who could claim to be worse than love on defense, at best comparable.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 26 2014 22:12 GMT
#2310
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/10/23/7041727/phil-jackson-triangle-offense
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13299 Posts
October 26 2014 22:54 GMT
#2311
What does the win produced stat tell us and how is it calculated?

The GS/Love trade was a bad mistake if it did exist. I'm not sure what actually went down but Klay/Barnes/lee for love/contract should've been done. Meh.

Klay has been really good in team USA and preseason so looking to have a big year. The dubs will be okay.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 26 2014 23:00 GMT
#2312
http://wagesofwins.com/how-to-calculate-wins-produced/

There is a ton of discussion all over the place but it follows the principle of team wins being broken down into individual player contributions. It also uses positional weights to avoid errors and make comparisons easier.

.100 (.099) is league average for that position. .200 is ~All Star and .300 are the superstars. Of course this is a lose guideline from what they wrote.


Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 26 2014 23:24 GMT
#2313
Am I weird if I don't like the Warriors team whether or not they did the trade?
Freeeeeeedom
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 27 2014 00:08 GMT
#2314
On October 26 2014 23:18 JuneMay wrote:
Yea u are def just some troll. Last year Korver 12.0 ppg, Klay 18.7 ppg. Korver will never have 18.7 ppg even in his best young days he could never get those numbers. He don't posses ability to score points consistently, never had and never will. Not to mention Korver got these 12.0 in loser atlanta. Get him to decent team on west, he will warm bench for 82 games.



Only retards use ppg as a measure of a player. This isn't the ESPN boards. Prepare to actually offer substantive metrics if you want to get anywhere here.

Oh, don't use the watching the NBA longer than everybody else argument if you're going to type like a 12-year old.
JuneMay
Profile Joined May 2011
49 Posts
October 27 2014 02:27 GMT
#2315
On October 27 2014 09:08 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:18 JuneMay wrote:
Yea u are def just some troll. Last year Korver 12.0 ppg, Klay 18.7 ppg. Korver will never have 18.7 ppg even in his best young days he could never get those numbers. He don't posses ability to score points consistently, never had and never will. Not to mention Korver got these 12.0 in loser atlanta. Get him to decent team on west, he will warm bench for 82 games.



Only retards use ppg as a measure of a player. This isn't the ESPN boards. Prepare to actually offer substantive metrics if you want to get anywhere here.

Oh, don't use the watching the NBA longer than everybody else argument if you're going to type like a 12-year old.


It was because we discussed their offensive abilities. Only retards respond without comprehending I guess. The guy wrote that Korver is better offensive player.
Btw other stats are very similar, yea Korver got 1 reb and 1 assist more per game, but in team like Atlanta which are not contenders and are on weak east. When rest of your team is trash I guess you can pump some stats. Golden state is loaded with talent its on much harder to get stats. And still with all this said, the only real difference is that Klay is much better scorer then Korver, rest of stats are close.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
October 27 2014 02:29 GMT
#2316
On October 27 2014 06:18 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 17:05 ]343[ wrote:
ok, I give up at trying to find a Yahoo fantasy league... are there still TL ESPN leagues with open spots?


if no one's willing to I could make an auction roto one. would be the first time running a league though. the one 2 years ago was pretty fun. do we have enough members?

a lot of people posted they are interested (as am I)

auction roto espn pls!
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 27 2014 03:07 GMT
#2317
On October 27 2014 11:27 JuneMay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 09:08 andrewlt wrote:
On October 26 2014 23:18 JuneMay wrote:
Yea u are def just some troll. Last year Korver 12.0 ppg, Klay 18.7 ppg. Korver will never have 18.7 ppg even in his best young days he could never get those numbers. He don't posses ability to score points consistently, never had and never will. Not to mention Korver got these 12.0 in loser atlanta. Get him to decent team on west, he will warm bench for 82 games.



Only retards use ppg as a measure of a player. This isn't the ESPN boards. Prepare to actually offer substantive metrics if you want to get anywhere here.

Oh, don't use the watching the NBA longer than everybody else argument if you're going to type like a 12-year old.


It was because we discussed their offensive abilities. Only retards respond without comprehending I guess. The guy wrote that Korver is better offensive player.
Btw other stats are very similar, yea Korver got 1 reb and 1 assist more per game, but in team like Atlanta which are not contenders and are on weak east. When rest of your team is trash I guess you can pump some stats. Golden state is loaded with talent its on much harder to get stats. And still with all this said, the only real difference is that Klay is much better scorer then Korver, rest of stats are close.


This is just nonsense. Being on a bad team and putting up good stats means...you're more than likely a good player. Korver wasn't even out there chucking or wildly outperforming his career numbers. You have no clue what you're talking about. Golden State being loaded with talent shouldn't really stop Klay from being at least league average for his position in several categories.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 27 2014 03:17 GMT
#2318
i think we have like 8 or so for fantasy, go back a few pages to see who was interested
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13299 Posts
October 27 2014 03:33 GMT
#2319
Hmmm maybe I'm wrong here but doesn't the logical extension state that if you replace Klay with say Gerald Henderson (similar scores from what I saw) then not much would've changed for the Dubs last year?

Why does someone like martell Webster rank so much higher?

How do you apply context to this stat?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
October 27 2014 03:42 GMT
#2320
anyone making new thread for the season? starts in 2 days :O
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
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