On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
Wow i did not want to comment again but Twisted your views are more bias than Steveling and Mensol put together ;_; Chelsea are the 2nd highest shooters of the premier league this season, we are the 3rd highest goal scorers. Our strikers are not the highest scorers so what does that say. They are having the shots but not scoring. If you watch Chelsea which you don't unless they are in a big game you will see this. Torres hasn't performed for; Whoever was Liverpool manager Carlo Ancelotti AVB Roberto Di Matteo Rafa Benitez Jose Mourinho I think its a Torres problem he cannot hit a barn door and not Mourinho's.......Our strikers have shots, get chances but don't take them in every game we play. Sunderland loss the most recent in which we couldn't hit a barn door had Ba miss from 2 yards out and Torres blazing it over from 7 yards. That isn't Mourinho's fault and never will be. Torres yesterday was the best he has played all season and scored due to a deflection and other than that he was doing everything apart from the final pass/shot. Would take on 2 Atletico players to either fall over or fail with a pass off. That isn't Mourinho's fault that is Torres bad decision making. Or to be honest he was just trying to hard to impress his new (old) club where he is playing next season. Chelsea have always had midfielders that scores goals, going back to early 2000s late 90s. But that is due to how we have always played in the passed. Thats the way we are but when we scored our record goals in a season Drogba had 29 and Lamps 22. We have the most wins in a season in the premiership record, we have the most home wins the most away wins. We hold so many records in the premiership considering we haven't been challenging in it until 20 years into its existence. Most goals at home, best goal difference, etcetc. The most goals scored record is 103 and Liverpool are on 96...2 games to play yet they are the free scoring footballing team of the generation, i doubt they will even beat our record now which is crazy. So this park the bus crap needs to stop or there is really no point even letting Chelsea be discussed because its pointless. People are annoyed at the style we bring to the big games thats fine, but to say we are a crappy defensive team that parks the bus every game is absolutely stupid and wholly inaccurate. Would be the equivalent of saying Pep is the worst manager in the world and Barca play long ball. It's wrong.
On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
Mourinho is actually the only reason I don't dislike Chelsea totally. ^^ I hate the whole concept of PSG, Chelsea, ManCity teams. The coach doesn't matter much.
On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
Mourinho is actually the only reason I don't dislike Chelsea totally. ^^ I hate the whole concept of PSG, Chelsea, ManCity teams. The coach doesn't matter much.
What is that concept you hate?
Where the only reason they are as good as they are is that they can throw endless amount of money to bring in the players which equals success
lol Pande let the haters hate. If a bandwagon fan says he doesn't like how Chelsea plays I am delighted, let the buthurt flow through them. Why the hell would I care what some bandwagoner thinks.
Yesterday, sitting on half a mattress 4 meters off the ground looking for a mobile signal so that I could at least kind of follow what was happening in the match.. made me realize just how much my club means to me. The day Chelsea has zero fans will be the day after I die.
That said Hazard reaaaly needs to get disciplined by the club, what a full retard thing to say. You see Terry crying after the match after giving it his whole and Hazard who should be keeping out of sight says something like that....
On May 01 2014 19:44 zeo wrote: lol Pande let the haters hate. If a bandwagon fan says he doesn't like how Chelsea plays I am delighted, let the buthurt flow through them. Why the hell would I care what some bandwagoner thinks.
Yesterday, sitting on half a mattress 4 meters off the ground looking for a mobile signal so that I could at least kind of follow what was happening in the match.. made me realize just how much my club means to me. The day Chelsea has zero fans will be the day after I die.
That said Hazard reaaaly needs to get disciplined by the club, what a full retard thing to say. You see Terry crying after the match after giving it his whole and Hazard who should be keeping out of sight says something like that....
Yeah indeed i should stop commenting to trolls i guess ;_;
Yeah i cant believe Hazard said that, i hope it was a miss translation or something. Indeed i also like the way Atletico composed themselves after the game, i mean they all shock hands with every Chelsea player before celebrating with their fans and such, they knew what they just did was amazing and a glorious achievement but spared a thought for the 2nd best on the night. Pretty good.
Was a good night still, just a shame their best player was a player who is ours
Can't wait for the final, id rather Real win because a 10th title is fucking outrageous, but Atletico are no mugs and can just let Real have the ball and counter them so will be a good tactical game.
On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
Wow i did not want to comment again but Twisted your views are more bias than Steveling and Mensol put together ;_; Chelsea are the 2nd highest shooters of the premier league this season, we are the 3rd highest goal scorers. Our strikers are not the highest scorers so what does that say. They are having the shots but not scoring. If you watch Chelsea which you don't unless they are in a big game you will see this. Torres hasn't performed for; Whoever was Liverpool manager Carlo Ancelotti AVB Roberto Di Matteo Rafa Benitez Jose Mourinho I think its a Torres problem he cannot hit a barn door and not Mourinho's.......Our strikers have shots, get chances but don't take them in every game we play. Sunderland loss the most recent in which we couldn't hit a barn door had Ba miss from 2 yards out and Torres blazing it over from 7 yards. That isn't Mourinho's fault and never will be. Torres yesterday was the best he has played all season and scored due to a deflection and other than that he was doing everything apart from the final pass/shot. Would take on 2 Atletico players to either fall over or fail with a pass off. That isn't Mourinho's fault that is Torres bad decision making. Or to be honest he was just trying to hard to impress his new (old) club where he is playing next season. Chelsea have always had midfielders that scores goals, going back to early 2000s late 90s. But that is due to how we have always played in the passed. Thats the way we are but when we scored our record goals in a season Drogba had 29 and Lamps 22. We have the most wins in a season in the premiership record, we have the most home wins the most away wins. We hold so many records in the premiership considering we haven't been challenging in it until 20 years into its existence. Most goals at home, best goal difference, etcetc. The most goals scored record is 103 and Liverpool are on 96...2 games to play yet they are the free scoring footballing team of the generation, i doubt they will even beat our record now which is crazy. So this park the bus crap needs to stop or there is really no point even letting Chelsea be discussed because its pointless. People are annoyed at the style we bring to the big games thats fine, but to say we are a crappy defensive team that parks the bus every game is absolutely stupid and wholly inaccurate. Would be the equivalent of saying Pep is the worst manager in the world and Barca play long ball. It's wrong.
You didn't counter any of my points, other than saying Torres is bad. I was actually objectively speaking about what's wrong with Chelsea's strikers, not comparing with other clubs, not saying they park the bus or whatever. There wasn't an inch of bias in my post apart from the first 2 sentences. I wasn't even bashing, I was objectively, from my perspective, arguing that everyone seems to overrate the terribleness of Chelsea's strikers. But apparently my Mourinho comment completely blindsided the rest of my post to you.
I'll give you the fact that Torres hasn't really performed, but then again, you didn't even address the major point I was making, that he just lacks confidence and is never really given the chance to perform. That said; Torres is better in a team where his pace can be used, so a team that's capable of using a lot of space. So whenever they park the bus, they have space, but they can't reach Torres because he's all alone against 3 defenders, or Chelsea do attack and he has literally no space because every midfielder wants to score and gets on the inside. Which is fine, he can be a good distraction, but it doesn't fit his personal style of play so he doesn't score a lot of goals. I'm just saying his contribution is fine but it's just hard to be a striker when you play like Chelsea does, whether they're attacking or parking busses.
Your statistics show that you score a buttload of goals, and it's because Chelsea always has a team with lots of players who can score ($$$). That naturally leaves the striker with less goals, doesn't mean the strikers are all as bad as everyone seems to think they are. Yeah other teams have better strikers, but as others have said, they have a worse midfield and defense for example. All I'm saying is that the constant whining about strikers, when you have so much attacking talent in your line-up (midfield mostly), is really unnecessary.
On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
Mourinho is actually the only reason I don't dislike Chelsea totally. ^^ I hate the whole concept of PSG, Chelsea, ManCity teams. The coach doesn't matter much.
What is that concept you hate?
Where the only reason they are as good as they are is that they can throw endless amount of money to bring in the players which equals success
And from another perspective: These clubs don't feel like clubs anymore, it is more the toy of a rich person. His new hobby is to have a football team so he throws around some money to improve the team. If success won't come he will spend more and more money until one day, he decides to have another hobby and then leaves the club.
So if such a team gets good, it is not because they earned it through consistent hard work over the years, but just because this rich guy chose them and not another toy.
On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
Wow i did not want to comment again but Twisted your views are more bias than Steveling and Mensol put together ;_; Chelsea are the 2nd highest shooters of the premier league this season, we are the 3rd highest goal scorers. Our strikers are not the highest scorers so what does that say. They are having the shots but not scoring. If you watch Chelsea which you don't unless they are in a big game you will see this. Torres hasn't performed for; Whoever was Liverpool manager Carlo Ancelotti AVB Roberto Di Matteo Rafa Benitez Jose Mourinho I think its a Torres problem he cannot hit a barn door and not Mourinho's.......Our strikers have shots, get chances but don't take them in every game we play. Sunderland loss the most recent in which we couldn't hit a barn door had Ba miss from 2 yards out and Torres blazing it over from 7 yards. That isn't Mourinho's fault and never will be. Torres yesterday was the best he has played all season and scored due to a deflection and other than that he was doing everything apart from the final pass/shot. Would take on 2 Atletico players to either fall over or fail with a pass off. That isn't Mourinho's fault that is Torres bad decision making. Or to be honest he was just trying to hard to impress his new (old) club where he is playing next season. Chelsea have always had midfielders that scores goals, going back to early 2000s late 90s. But that is due to how we have always played in the passed. Thats the way we are but when we scored our record goals in a season Drogba had 29 and Lamps 22. We have the most wins in a season in the premiership record, we have the most home wins the most away wins. We hold so many records in the premiership considering we haven't been challenging in it until 20 years into its existence. Most goals at home, best goal difference, etcetc. The most goals scored record is 103 and Liverpool are on 96...2 games to play yet they are the free scoring footballing team of the generation, i doubt they will even beat our record now which is crazy. So this park the bus crap needs to stop or there is really no point even letting Chelsea be discussed because its pointless. People are annoyed at the style we bring to the big games thats fine, but to say we are a crappy defensive team that parks the bus every game is absolutely stupid and wholly inaccurate. Would be the equivalent of saying Pep is the worst manager in the world and Barca play long ball. It's wrong.
You didn't counter any of my points, other than saying Torres is bad. I was actually objectively speaking about what's wrong with Chelsea's strikers, not comparing with other clubs, not saying they park the bus or whatever. There wasn't an inch of bias in my post apart from the first 2 sentences. I wasn't even bashing, I was objectively, from my perspective, arguing that everyone seems to overrate the terribleness of Chelsea's strikers. But apparently my Mourinho comment completely blindsided the rest of my post to you.
I'll give you the fact that Torres hasn't really performed, but then again, you didn't even address the major point I was making, that he just lacks confidence and is never really given the chance to perform. That said; Torres is better in a team where his pace can be used, so a team that's capable of using a lot of space. So whenever they park the bus, they have space, but they can't reach Torres because he's all alone against 3 defenders, or Chelsea do attack and he has literally no space because every midfielder wants to score and gets on the inside. Which is fine, he can be a good distraction, but it doesn't fit his personal style of play so he doesn't score a lot of goals. I'm just saying his contribution is fine but it's just hard to be a striker when you play like Chelsea does, whether they're attacking or parking busses.
Your statistics show that you score a buttload of goals, and it's because Chelsea always has a team with lots of players who can score ($$$). That naturally leaves the striker with less goals, doesn't mean the strikers are all as bad as everyone seems to think they are. Yeah other teams have better strikers, but as others have said, they have a worse midfield and defense for example. All I'm saying is that the constant whining about strikers, when you have so much attacking talent in your line-up (midfield mostly), is really unnecessary.
Im not going to debate anything Chelsea with you, i will happily discuss Torres with you though. He scored 20 goals in 2 seasons in a row when Rafa Benitez was playing the exact same style as Chelsea do now if not more defensive. I'll let you do your own research before you comment against that comment because it is 100% true. Torres is a strange mystery he went from 2 seasons of ecstasy to just an average striker at the end of his Liverpool career to then a sub par waste of money at Chelsea. Chelsea own fault for buying him though, another mistake Roman bought on himself. But thats another story. Torres lost it with a couple of injuries, then lost his marbles (his mind) the last 3/4 years when he just forgot how to play full stop.
On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
Mourinho is actually the only reason I don't dislike Chelsea totally. ^^ I hate the whole concept of PSG, Chelsea, ManCity teams. The coach doesn't matter much.
What is that concept you hate?
Where the only reason they are as good as they are is that they can throw endless amount of money to bring in the players which equals success
And from another perspective: These clubs don't feel like clubs anymore, it is more the toy of a rich person. His new hobby is to have a football team so he throws around some money to improve the team. If success won't come he will spend more and more money until one day, he decides to have another hobby and then leaves the club.
So if such a team gets good, it is not because they earned it through consistent hard work over the years, but just because this rich guy chose them and not another toy.
I don't feel like that at Chelsea though, i can understand the comment but for me personally i still feel the same way i did since going to my first game in 2002 than i do when i went vs Sunderland. I'd trade half the squad i have now for a 25 year old Zola ^_^ Or Hasslebaink hell even Gudjohnson bless him xD The best signing the club made was also done before Abramovich with Lamps. But yeah i know what your saying but i dont think it is as bad as that sometimes, of course it does look that way
So because our manager didn't shake his hand he isn't coming back? Even though the black guy (Michael Emanalo) who is above Mourinho shakes his hand instead
On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
I'm sorry but this is largely nonsense.. Chelsea got a lot of hate from the get-go for being the most obvious rich playground club and they're rightfully given some blame for inflating the player market. But Mourinho probably brings them as many fans as it takes away from them - the people who dislike Mourinho usually dislike the "english" style of play and wouldn't cheer for Chelsea anyway. In fact for me, Mou is the only reason why I ever cheer for Chelsea. Everything else about the club leaves a crappy taste in my mouth, I dislike many of their players (Lampard probably being the only one I find sympathetic and that I want to succeed), I hate the ownership, I hate the ridiculous coach-turnover. But I love Mourinho. There's no other voice in football that I want to listen to more than Mourinho. And this is not like watching a car crash, it's that I think he's a brilliant, hilarious man who is more honest than most others in the business, and I have no problems forgiving him when he steps over the line - which I admit does happen.
And Torres? He hasn't had more than two good games in a row since he left Liverpool. And he's had several stretches of 10 bad games. If you've randomly selected 5 Chelsea games from the past 5 years it's very possible that he might have looked decent, but he's really been a complete disaster, and this has nothing to do with Mourinho. He arrived in like 2010?, 3 years before Mourinho, and has been bad the entire time. And see the thing is, Chelsea has been scoring pretty much enough goals. Because their defense has been so strong. (I base this around the fact that their season has actually been a good season, not a bad one like people somehow want to pretend.) But if they had a top striker or striker duo, they would score more goals, and they would not have to concede so few. Lets not forget that his Real Madrid is the team with the record for most goals scored during a season - 121..?
On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
I'm sorry but this is largely nonsense.. Chelsea got a lot of hate from the get-go for being the most obvious rich playground club and they're rightfully given some blame for inflating the player market. But Mourinho probably brings them as many fans as it takes away from them - the people who dislike Mourinho usually dislike the "english" style of play and wouldn't cheer for Chelsea anyway. In fact for me, Mou is the only reason why I ever cheer for Chelsea. Everything else about the club leaves a crappy taste in my mouth, I dislike many of their players (Lampard probably being the only one I find sympathetic and that I want to succeed), I hate the ownership, I hate the ridiculous coach-turnover. But I love Mourinho. There's no other voice in football that I want to listen to more than Mourinho. And this is not like watching a car crash, it's that I think he's a brilliant, hilarious man who is more honest than most others in the business, and I have no problems forgiving him when he steps over the line - which I admit does happen.
And Torres? He hasn't had more than two good games in a row since he left Liverpool. And he's had several stretches of 10 bad games. If you've randomly selected 5 Chelsea games from the past 5 years it's very possible that he might have looked decent, but he's really been a complete disaster, and this has nothing to do with Mourinho. He arrived in like 2010?, 3 years before Mourinho, and has been bad the entire time. And see the thing is, Chelsea has been scoring pretty much enough goals. Because their defense has been so strong. (I base this around the fact that their season has actually been a good season, not a bad one like people somehow want to pretend.) But if they had a top striker or striker duo, they would score more goals, and they would not have to concede so few. Lets not forget that his Real Madrid is the team with the record for most goals scored during a season - 121..?
Uhmm I dont really agree with either of you totally but what I will say this
On the Torress discussion, I do think its mental because he didnt just "forget" how to play football..
You could say he may have failed to fix him, but then again no one was able to so its really more down to Torress than Mou.
Throwing your strikers under the boss, honest or not is still a bit off though. Additionally being honest doesnt mean you are allowed to be an incessant douchebag and call people out personally because its entertaining or mind games or whatever. I dont like it, it leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth
Ive followed him of the pitch and he seems like a great guy and he is without a doubt an amazing coach, if im betting my life on one game I am probably going to pick him as my coach. But as a manager hes hit or miss just like the rest of them.
I mean lets be honest, if your best player has a problem with the way your team plays somethings obviously going to give. Sure Hazard is a kid and green, but he isnt wrong.
If Mourinho has to go out and win games against top opposition rather than starting of playing not to lose he doesnt have it.
Fortunately his teams are good enough to create just enough space to get ahead, and once they are ahead ,, pfft then your staring down a really long barrel.
On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote: Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker. Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
I'm sorry but this is largely nonsense.. Chelsea got a lot of hate from the get-go for being the most obvious rich playground club and they're rightfully given some blame for inflating the player market. But Mourinho probably brings them as many fans as it takes away from them - the people who dislike Mourinho usually dislike the "english" style of play and wouldn't cheer for Chelsea anyway. In fact for me, Mou is the only reason why I ever cheer for Chelsea. Everything else about the club leaves a crappy taste in my mouth, I dislike many of their players (Lampard probably being the only one I find sympathetic and that I want to succeed), I hate the ownership, I hate the ridiculous coach-turnover. But I love Mourinho. There's no other voice in football that I want to listen to more than Mourinho. And this is not like watching a car crash, it's that I think he's a brilliant, hilarious man who is more honest than most others in the business, and I have no problems forgiving him when he steps over the line - which I admit does happen.
And Torres? He hasn't had more than two good games in a row since he left Liverpool. And he's had several stretches of 10 bad games. If you've randomly selected 5 Chelsea games from the past 5 years it's very possible that he might have looked decent, but he's really been a complete disaster, and this has nothing to do with Mourinho. He arrived in like 2010?, 3 years before Mourinho, and has been bad the entire time. And see the thing is, Chelsea has been scoring pretty much enough goals. Because their defense has been so strong. (I base this around the fact that their season has actually been a good season, not a bad one like people somehow want to pretend.) But if they had a top striker or striker duo, they would score more goals, and they would not have to concede so few. Lets not forget that his Real Madrid is the team with the record for most goals scored during a season - 121..?
If what I said is largely nonsense then what you're saying regarding Mou isn't that much different.. just a difference in opinion. If I read comments on Dutch football websites, there is literally no-one defending Mourinho. Obviously that's not really a sample size, but neither is this topic where you've got a lot of Chelsea supporters (plastic and real). Just because you love Mou, doesn't mean that a whole lot of people aren't disgusted by his antics. Confidence and bravado is one thing, but behaving like a child is another. To be honest, I think you might be one of the few people that actually like Chelsea more because of Mourinho (and Mensol apparently). If I'm to believe Dutch news sources, the majority of people in England dislike him as well. I don't think I'll have to argue that most Spanish people dislike Mourinho. When your best player openly declares (which is unprofessional, but still, he speaks his mind) that he doesn't like the football they're playing, I think that means a lot.
I'll concede on Chelsea's strikers.. but my basic point was that Chelsea have enough attacking talent that the constant whining about their strikers is a bit overdone (maybe I worded it a bit strongly). It's just terribly hard to be a striker in the system Chelsea employs, which is pretty much acknowledged by Hazard's action.
Falcao must be feeling pretty fucking stupid right now. Moved to Monaco, torn ACL, my ex-team is on the CL Finals. Rofl.
Talk about destiny and irony. :o
When I saw the Bayern vs Real game, I thought I was seeing Barça play like it should've keep on playing, always pressing, and always chasing the ball, doing a lot of vertical activity and not trying to sleep the ball by doing kind-of-meaningless passes horizontally.
It's really sad that the "tiki-taka" way of playing that Guardiola made so popular back in 2008-2009 has already been thought out and it's easily counter-playable. Specially by Real Madrid whom excel at counter-attacking and being almost always well positioned to create danger or damage.
I wish the best to both teams, but I'm really hoping football can do justice for once, and let Atletico win. They've been, by far, the best and most consistent team throughout the season.
If they win, well deserved. If they don't, well, at least they know they're capable of winning everything.
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