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On May 01 2014 09:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 08:55 Pantagruel wrote:On May 01 2014 08:22 Craze wrote:On May 01 2014 07:45 Pantagruel wrote:
Ha! Pep and Jose humiliated at home in the same week! Didn't see that one coming.
Atletico played a fantastic game though. Especially once the 2-1 was scored they really bossed play and had some beautiful football to boot. I expected a dour game between these sides but was pleasantly surprised. They deserve to be in the final. Simeone has really done a great job, essentially taking a team of Everton's standards to brink of a double, really impressive.
Mourinho meanwhile has had a disappointing season with Chelsea ultimately. He likes to pretend he has an inadequate squad and the media laps this up heartily, but the truth is, Chelsea have fantastic players and he has not achieved enough with them. After his failures in Madrid he is not looking too rosy all of a sudden. I'm no Mourinho apologist but his squad is not even close to Bayern and they both went out in the same round. They are clearly hurting for a world class striker. Even today it seemed like chances were there for Eto'o to hit first time and he just has to take one extra touch. Then it gets blocked easily. I still feel like holding on to Lukaku would have been better for Chelsea season, though perhaps not Lukaku's long-term development. I don't think Chelsea's squad is as good as Bayern's but it's still pretty damn good. His midfield and defense are world class. Obviously his strikers aren't tip top, but they are not nearly as bad as Jose likes to pretend. Eto'o is for the most part still a fantastic striker but he is too unreliable with injuries. Aside from him, Jose never gave Ba a real chance which has hurt Chelsea and of course Lukaku is on loan when Jose knew strikers could be an issue this season. Mostly though, I think players like Hazard, Willian, Oscar, Matic offer an incredible midfield capable of both great creativity as well as defensive confidence. Their brilliance has been marginalized this season by Mourinho. It's not that he's done just horribly, it's that he could do so much more. He clearly can motivate his players like no one else because I always see Chelsea fight to the very end, but in footballing terms, he leaves much to be desired and I think that's cost him this year. Pep for that matter has also failed this year relative to expectations. He won the Bundesliga at a walk and likely will win the German cup but his performance in the QF and SF of the UCL were lacking. He too needs to asses his tactics in the summer to see if it suits his players. If it does then he needs to re-motivate his players and make them believe. If you compare Chelsea's strikers with any team with a comparable or better performance this year (I'd basically include real madrid bayern manchester city liverpool atletico barcelona PSG mebbe dortmund), they fall laughably short. I guess with the exception of bayern but bayern is the one team with a significantly stronger squad outside the striker department :D Pep and Mourinho have both had fine first seasons. Chelsea was expected to be title contenders in the PL - and it's still within range with 2 matches to go. They were expected to do well in the CL - they got to the semi final. Bayern had like 3 bad and important games all season, and many great ones, it just looks bad next to an impossibly good season. Personally I don't really understand the pep signing (not because I think he is bad by any stretch of imagination, just that it's really weird to drop someone after trebling), but his results have certainly been satisfactory. And Chelsea - they've been good, and Mourinho's teams are always better in season 2. Get Atletico's Costa and you'd be looking at a pretty complete team.
Well, expectations are very high for both coaches and I think they can feel disappointed. Both did well enough to carry on their projects of course, but you can't tell me that either team is satisfied with the outcome of this season in the end.
As for Chelsea's strikers, sure they aren't the best, but is City's defense the best, Bayern's strikers, Barcelona's defense, Dortmund's entire injury ravaged team, Atletico's strikers for that matter (I don't think Costa is nearly as good as many people make him out to be). Point is, you can poke holes in everybody's team. No squad is perfect, yet titles are still won. I think Chelsea has a better squad then Liverpool and Atletico and comparable to City, yet they will be beaten by those teams this season. Again, it's not a dreadful accomplishment to finish 2-3 in the EPL and semi of UCL but they really could have done more. The squad wasn't maximized this year.
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But anyway, I really don't understand you chelsea fans.
First you are in denial of the football your team plays.
Then you come to accept it because you win CL with it.
After that you make excuses like "we only park the bus in away games, in our home we play offensively".
After today's performance, when mou fielded 6 defenders inside stamford bridge, lol, what is your excuse for the way your team plays against other top teams?
I mean, I don't judge you, you can like whatever you want but srsly is this your dreamlike chelsea, with all these world class players and infinite money?
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On May 01 2014 09:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If you compare Chelsea's strikers with any team with a comparable or better performance this year (I'd basically include real madrid bayern manchester city liverpool atletico barcelona PSG mebbe dortmund), they fall laughably short. I guess with the exception of bayern but bayern is the one team with a significantly stronger squad outside the striker department :D
Pep and Mourinho have both had fine first seasons. Chelsea was expected to be title contenders in the PL - and it's still within range with 2 matches to go. They were expected to do well in the CL - they got to the semi final. Bayern had like 3 bad and important games all season, and many great ones, it just looks bad next to an impossibly good season. Personally I don't really understand the pep signing (not because I think he is bad by any stretch of imagination, just that it's really weird to drop someone after trebling), but his results have certainly been satisfactory. And Chelsea - they've been good, and Mourinho's teams are always better in season 2. Get Atletico's Costa and you'd be looking at a pretty complete team.
We didn't drop Jupp btw, he took some time off.
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Norway28598 Posts
I thought he said he wanted to continue?
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On May 01 2014 09:47 Steveling wrote:
But anyway, I really don't understand you chelsea fans.
First you are in denial of the football your team plays.
Then you come to accept it because you win CL with it.
After that you make excuses like "we only park the bus in away games, in our home we play offensively".
After today's performance, when mou fielded 6 defenders inside stamford bridge, lol, what is your excuse for the way your team plays against other top teams?
I mean, I don't judge you, you can like whatever you want but srsly is this your dreamlike chelsea, with all these world class players and infinite money?
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....what on earth game did you watch?
Only reason they had more possession than us was in that 10 minute spell after the 3rd goal went in Chelsea just stopped and looked defeated.
Infinite money does not exist with FFP the quicker you realize that the easier it will be to take. There is one club with the ability to buy who they want when they want and that is Real Madrid due to their sheer turnover. Chelsea cannot due to trying to slim it down the last 3 years so we can apply with the FFP because UEFA said the punishment will be kicking you out of Europe. This didn't happen, so now im sure Chelsea will bring in the two strikers in the summer we need, will add another midfielder maybe and trim off the squad.
If you think we park the bus at home you are so delusional it is untrue. This season we haven't parked the bus at home in anygame.
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As much as I rooted against Chelsea because they beat PSG in the quarterfinals, the Chelsea bashing is getting tiring. They don't park the bus or anything, they are just able to play with more offensive- or defensive-oriented teams depending on the opposition, which I admire. If they had a RVP or a Cavani as #9 instead of having to merge Eto'o, Torres and Ba together to get half a decent striker, they would be fearsome.
How can you say that they always park the bus when they beat Arsenal 6-0 and qualified by beating Paris 2-0 in the quarterfinals?
I hate this trend of bashing teams that play any defence at all. Offence wins games, defence wins championships.
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If fielding 6 defenders in your own home and a holding midfielder like ramires is not parking the bus then I don't know what is.
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On May 01 2014 17:22 Steveling wrote:
If fielding 6 defenders in your own home and a holding midfielder like ramires is not parking the bus then I don't know what is.
Parking the bus would be having 9 players in your half of the field all the time and 1 guy on the other half hoping to score from a long ball (Drogba much?), which is clearly not what happened yesterday.
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On May 01 2014 09:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I thought he said he wanted to continue?
Yes kinda but you have to keep in mind that Heynkes is 68 years old. He may have been there for one or two years but then he would retire at some point.
A "star"coach like Guardiola is not on the market for long. So they had to make a move now or someone else would have picked him up. It was the right decision for the long term.
And by the way for some people that argue Heynkes would have done better: In his first full season he won exacly 0 titels, and got demolished hard by Dortmund. Plus he knew the league, the club and almost all the players already very well.
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Well it's your team, if you like what you see I can't say anything more.
Just don't forget to get a better bus for next season,  .
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I think many people hate on Chelsea for different reasons.
They were supposed to lose to Barcelona and they were supposed to lose to Bayern in 2012, yet they won. Everyone thinks that Chelsea didn't deserve the wins because they were just far inferior to those teams. Also the term "lucky" was often used, although you cannot call it lucky when the opposing team is just incapable of capitalizing on their ball possession, penalties, corners etc.
A similar thing happened a year after when they won against Benfica. It wasn't deserved either (in many people's opinion), but in that case there was also the point that Benfica were some kind of fan favorites because of all their 2nd places.
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Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker.
Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
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Suck eggs Chelski. Good riddance. No EPL or CL for you.
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On May 01 2014 17:27 Pandemona wrote:
Ramires is not a defensive midfielder ask ANY Benfica fan.
He isn't a defensive midfielder but he's certainly the reason we could attack so fiercily through our left wing with Coentrão and Di Maria crossing to Saviola and Cardozo. (Goddamn we had such a boss team on 2009-10...)
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In Germany there would be another reason I think: Abramovich.
Atleast iirc he was the first prominent case of throwing excessive amounts of money at a club that became known in Germany.
Although I don't always agree with Mourinho I start to like him because at times he just says what everybody thinks. Understatement is cool but sometimes you should be the most confident person in the world and there aren't too many of those bar Mourinho.
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On May 01 2014 18:38 Twisted wrote:
Every team is a fan favorite against Chelsea. And there's really only one reason for that: Mourinho.
Anyway, what I thought would happen before the series eventually did happen. When Chelsea decided to attack instead of park the bus, they got demolished.
I also think the whole 'boohoo we have no strikers' is getting old. Chelsea has fine strikers, but they are consistently getting murdered with the style of play. Chelsea either defends and plays long balls to a striker in no-mans-land, or attack with a couple of wingers who like to get inside (Hazard) and the space to play is pretty much none for the strikers. The constant rotation of strikers is doing nothing but weakening the confidence of the strikers and if there's one thing a striker needs, it's confidence by being able to play a lot of 90 minute games. Benzema would constantly switch places with Higuain last season (again under Mourinho) and would play shitty most of the time. This season when he's the lone striker and is undisputed he looks like a much more confident, better striker.
Torres missing those sitters is not because he's bad, it's because he gets nervous and fucks up because he just lacks confidence. That's on the coach. Whenever I see a Chelsea match, and granted, it's not often, I see Torres playing really well except for his finishing. His link-up play with the other players is great, he puts a lot of energy into it as well. That just shows he's very fit, plays really well, but just lacks the confidence to finish. You can't tell me a goal-scoring monster at Liverpool can't score now at Chelsea. And well.. Ba is pretty bad, Eto'o is old, but then again, you have enough material that can score goals in the midfield as well. Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Lampard.. all those players score a decent clip of goals. Add like 10 goals from defenders from set pieces and shit, you have enough goals in your team.
Ajax just won the Dutch Eredivisie with a top goalscorer with 10 goals (one match to go), yet you do not see Frank de Boer, or the fans, consistently whining that we have no striker. And this is in the league with the most amount of goals per match iirc, because we can't defend at all and every team likes to attack.
Mourinho is actually the only reason I don't dislike Chelsea totally. ^^
I hate the whole concept of PSG, Chelsea, ManCity teams. The coach doesn't matter much.
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