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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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anomalopidae
Slovenia549 Posts
On July 02 2014 03:52 Steveling wrote: Suarez being the best is plain funny. And I'm talking overall so far in their careers, not just last year. yes, which is why it's annoying since some people are talking about now this year, not since idk when... why is it funny? cause he had an amazing season which just rapes messi's even though he played way less games? | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Messi scored 41 goals in 46 matches. Suarez scored 31 goals in 37 matches. Suarez had a few more assists. Thing is, Suarez' performance was very good because he pretty much carried Liverpool and their style of play was very suited to his playing style. If it was Messi in Suarez' shoes, he could easily get those numbers at Liverpool as well. But Messi had a massive off-year, still scored 41 goals. He wasn't the best player this year and I think we had a good winner of Ballon d'Or this year, but man, football fans are fidgety when it comes to remembering. One off-year and his claim to GOAT is instantly contested heavily, even with the likes of C. Ronaldo. Sorry, Ronaldo is a great player, but he will never outshine Messi when we're talking entire career. Claiming anything like that would be absolutely ridiculous. + Show Spoiler [Messi vids 92 goals/22 assists in one…] + 92 goals 22 assists | ||
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
On July 02 2014 04:08 BeaTeR wrote: Can we have a separate thread for this shit? I'm tired of scrolling through all these Messi talks tell me about it.... anyway Siem De Jong signed for Newcastle for around £6M Snodgrass was £7M to Hull Wonder who is better. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3991 Posts
On July 02 2014 08:51 fbs wrote: tell me about it.... anyway Siem De Jong signed for Newcastle for around £6M Snodgrass was £7M to Hull Wonder who is better. Snodgrass. I think Siem de Jong is a likable guy, but he's not very impressive in any area. He's basically a 80% Kuyt. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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viiv951002
American Samoa3 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
A host of Premier League suitors are on alert after reports in Spain suggested Angel di Maria wants to leave Real Madrid this summer. Spanish newpapaer AS have claimed the Argentine winger feels undervalued at the La Liga giants and is keen to leave during the transfer window, despite ending last season on a high, playing a key role in Real’s historic ‘La Decima’ Champions League triumph and Copa del Rey victory. Source | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On July 02 2014 08:51 fbs wrote: tell me about it.... anyway Siem De Jong signed for Newcastle for around £6M Snodgrass was £7M to Hull Wonder who is better. They don't really play the same role. Snodgrass is a winger. de Jong is more of a second striker. I saw that Ajax loaned Arkadiusz Milik from Leverkusen. I guess I have to watch some Eredivisie this season. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On July 02 2014 07:58 Twisted wrote: Uhh.. Suarez didn't necessarily have a massively better season than Messi. Messi scored 41 goals in 46 matches. Suarez scored 31 goals in 37 matches. Suarez had a few more assists. Thing is, Suarez' performance was very good because he pretty much carried Liverpool and their style of play was very suited to his playing style. If it was Messi in Suarez' shoes, he could easily get those numbers at Liverpool as well. But Messi had a massive off-year, still scored 41 goals. He wasn't the best player this year and I think we had a good winner of Ballon d'Or this year, but man, football fans are fidgety when it comes to remembering. One off-year and his claim to GOAT is instantly contested heavily, even with the likes of C. Ronaldo. Sorry, Ronaldo is a great player, but he will never outshine Messi when we're talking entire career. Claiming anything like that would be absolutely ridiculous. + Show Spoiler [Messi vids 92 goals/22 assists in one…] + Yeah thats the point, he had a massive off year and still did this and that. So imo this endless stupid debate of Ronaldo vs Messi might as well just be opinion based until they both retire and then you can start throwing stats around to say this guy WAS the best. And yeah he wasn't the best player last year and hasn't been this year either so far but that doesn't mean he is shite or anything but just means other players are playing stupidly well. Suarez scored 31 in 37 yeah but he also had 13 assists too which is crazy. The reason why he won European golden boot and many awards in England from both press and players. So yeah it's all opinions and always will be until they both retire due to anything can happen next in their careers. Thats all i was saying ^_^ | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On July 02 2014 07:58 Twisted wrote: Thing is, Suarez' performance was very good because he pretty much carried Liverpool and their style of play was very suited to his playing style. If it was Messi in Suarez' shoes, he could easily get those numbers at Liverpool as well. If it ever there was a team built around a player, catering perfectly to his style, so he could shine the brightest possible, then it was Barca and Messi for quite some years. That is, I believe, one of the main arguments against Messi: That he never proved himself away from home. Until Messi leaves his comfort zone, I´m unconvinced, as his national team "career" always suggested. But he seems to be getting better now, that the whole of the Argentinian team seem to have forgotten how to play the game. Look at Ibrahimovic, that guy has championships in four different countries. Does that mean he is a better football player than Messi? Better in what way? And why would it matter? These "discussions" are nice as long as you don´t take them seriously. | ||
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MagickMan
Australia498 Posts
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Dingodile
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On July 02 2014 18:48 Daswollvieh wrote: If it ever there was a team built around a player, catering perfectly to his style, so he could shine the brightest possible, then it was Barca and Messi for quite some years. That is, I believe, one of the main arguments against Messi: That he never proved himself away from home. Until Messi leaves his comfort zone, I´m unconvinced, as his national team "career" always suggested. But he seems to be getting better now, that the whole of the Argentinian team seem to have forgotten how to play the game. Look at Ibrahimovic, that guy has championships in four different countries. Does that mean he is a better football player than Messi? Better in what way? And why would it matter? These "discussions" are nice as long as you don´t take them seriously. Barça being set-up around him didn't happen by chance or overnight. Slowly during the years he was there, the team automatically changes to which suited him best and made him the player the team singlehandedly depended the most on. This is testament to his skill if nothing else. If Messi doesn't play, the whole system collapses. The whole system only works because he can find the space to set-up those 1-2's while 6 defenders stand around him. His ball control and first touch is always leagues and bounds ahead of anyone else's. You can fire a bullet at Messi and he still controls it somehow. There was a pass yesterday by Mascherano, it might have been at 60-70 km/h, but Messi still controlled it. He lost the ball afterwards, but shit like that is so impressive. There is no-one else that can do what he does in little space and that's what impresses me so much about the guy. When it comes to his national team career, this shows as well to be honest. In 2010 world cup he was widely criticized, but he set up pretty much every goal that Argentina made, hit the woodwork a few times (one of them bounced back to a Higuain tap-in). Thing is, which also shows this world cup, that his supporting cast is so dreadful that he can't possibly win it just with Di Maria (who frankly works hard which is admirable, but a lot of his actions don't have anything to show for it. He loses the ball more often than he does something good with it). Players can't win world cups on their own anymore. You can see countless times that he tries something by dribbling past 2 players, giving a sharp pass to a teammate (in Aguero or someone) which is inch perfect setting up the 1-2, then Aguero's first touch sucks and it looks bad. What he does sometimes at Barça looks easier than it is. But at Argentina's national team, he just has less room to shine because when he dribbles through a defense, eventually he has to find a teammate to finish it or prolong the attack, and then it stops because teammate isn't up to his standards and it looks kinda hopeless. He's still carrying his shitty team to a quarter final so far. Every match they've won so far has been because of him. Ronaldo for example, injured or not, only won them the one game, in which he also missed 4 golden opportunities. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:17 Twisted wrote: Barça being set-up around him didn't happen by chance or overnight. Slowly during the years he was there, the team automatically changes to which suited him best and made him the player the team singlehandedly depended the most on. This is testament to his skill if nothing else. If Messi doesn't play, the whole system collapses. The whole system only works because he can find the space to set-up those 1-2's while 6 defenders stand around him. His ball control and first touch is always leagues and bounds ahead of anyone else's. You can fire a bullet at Messi and he still controls it somehow. There was a pass yesterday by Mascherano, it might have been at 60-70 km/h, but Messi still controlled it. He lost the ball afterwards, but shit like that is so impressive. There is no-one else that can do what he does in little space and that's what impresses me so much about the guy. When it comes to his national team career, this shows as well to be honest. In 2010 world cup he was widely criticized, but he set up pretty much every goal that Argentina made, hit the woodwork a few times (one of them bounced back to a Higuain tap-in). Thing is, which also shows this world cup, that his supporting cast is so dreadful that he can't possibly win it just with Di Maria (who frankly works hard which is admirable, but a lot of his actions don't have anything to show for it. He loses the ball more often than he does something good with it). Players can't win world cups on their own anymore. You can see countless times that he tries something by dribbling past 2 players, giving a sharp pass to a teammate (in Aguero or someone) which is inch perfect setting up the 1-2, then Aguero's first touch sucks and it looks bad. What he does sometimes at Barça looks easier than it is. But at Argentina's national team, he just has less room to shine because when he dribbles through a defense, eventually he has to find a teammate to finish it or prolong the attack, and then it stops because teammate isn't up to his standards and it looks kinda hopeless. He's still carrying his shitty team to a quarter final so far. Every match they've won so far has been because of him. Ronaldo for example, injured or not, only won them the one game, in which he also missed 4 golden opportunities. Pretty sure Ronaldo would give his left testicle for the Argentinian national squad compared to the Portuguese one though...and rightfully so. It isn't anything to do with the players in Argentina its to do with the idiotic choices of management and players seemingly not to care when they put the blue and white shirt one. Just like Wilmots and Belgium there is only so far sheer talent can take you before you start to get out done technically. Steveling said it yesterday but no one seemed to pick up on it, when a team is playing tikka taka style in the World Cup they are going to get put to shame pretty quickly unless they are better than Barcelona and Spain combined at it which no one has shown they are to date. Spain went into this world cup on the back of tikka taka being beaten comfortably in the champions league this year (see Bayern and Barcelona) to then get their buts handed to them exactly the same way Barca did to Bayern in 2013 and Bayern by Real in 2014. Argentina played that way vs Switzerland for 90 minutes and made the worst game of the tournament, extra time with Messi being by the looks of it physically exhausted they opted for a straight up 4-2-4 and this adding in with Switzerland attacking more made Argentina able to brush Switzerland aside (eventually) with sheer brute attacking force. Now could Portugal ever do that? My point in this wording of words is that the manager of Argentina should be taking 90% of the blame from how terrible they have been, so should Wilmots of Belgium. Both of these teams should be playing as excitingly as Colombia or Chile have been offensively. Belgium even better due to having good solid defensive players too. Vertonghan at CB even i admit he is good there and Kompany is best CB in the world imo and probably top 3 in others. Add that with the worlds best goalkeeper (or top 3 ) and you have the spine of a solid team. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Transfer Speculation & Deals Liverpool's managing director Ian Ayre is reportedly meeting officials from Barcelona in London on Wednesday to discuss the potential transfer of Luis Suarez. According to L'Equipe, Real Madrid attacker Angel di Maria could be part of a swap deal with Monaco striker Radamel Falcao. Madrid-based daily AS claiming that Chelsea will land four of Atletico Madrid's title winning team - Costa, Tiago, Felipe Luis and Miranda. As well as a sizeable cash return (for Costa, Luis and Miranda), Atletico hope to get Romelu Lukaku and another season loan of Thibaut Courtois. Arsenal will confirm the signing of France international Mathieu Debuchy after the World Cup, according to the Daily Star. It is reported that the Gunners have agreed a fee of around £12million Juventus are keeping tabs on Manchester City defender Matija Nastasic. La Gazzetta dello Sport says Juve are considering their options after Andrea Barzagli was ruled out for three months following a heel operation Serie A champions Juventus are now close to finalizing the signing of Juan Manuel Iturbe from Hellas Verona Sky Sports sources also understand that Southampton have made an offer for Feyenoord striker Graziano Pelle. It is understood that the bid is below Feyenoord's £9.5million valuation Brendan Rodgers now wants Croatian centre-back Dejan Lovren to become the third player to make the move from Southampton to Anfield this summer. The Liverpool manager is also understood to be hoping to strike a deal with Chelsea for Ryan Bertrand after becoming frustrated with Sevilla’s refusal to lower their £20million asking price for Alberto Moreno. Tottenham have entered the race for Alvaro Negredo. The Daily Star writes that new Spurs boss Mauricio Pochettino is ready to do battle with Atletico Madrid for the £20million Manchester City forward Sky Sports sources understand that Leeds United captain Ross McCormack has handed in a transfer request. Sky Sports sources understand Middlesbrough striker Marvin Emnes is expected to complete a permanent move to Swansea City in the next 24 hours. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On July 02 2014 20:39 Pandemona wrote: And it begins. Bye Suarez :D He should go to Bayern, they have great dental care there. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
So it's pretty obvious Suarez only apologised to facilitate the move. I doubt he meant any word of it. And Barcelona are crazy if they want to spend £50mil+ on a striker when they already have Messi, Neymar, and Sanchez. Buy 2 class CBs, a RB, and another midfielder first. | ||
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