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Time to move on to the next thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/460943-2014-2015-football-thread
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 07:54:46
July 01 2014 07:53 GMT
#18041
Haha it's not just EG then, who do announcements of announcements xD

Yeah i'll get working on Champions league threads then haha xD
I need TriZen to make us some pretty banner themes as i have the artistry of a Greek defender (or any old school defender)
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
July 01 2014 08:09 GMT
#18042
Today Jürgen Klopp became the longest serving manager in BVB's history overtaking Ottmar Hitzfeld. If you told me that would happen 7 years ago after the horrible early 2000's I would have laughed so much.
No matter the club I hope we'll get to a culture in which the team's manager isn't fired every single time a team loses twice in a row. More love for managers!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 01 2014 09:05 GMT
#18043
LOL
Chelsea Website this morning;

[image loading]

Byeee guys, welcome back Mark though xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 09:55:56
July 01 2014 09:37 GMT
#18044
On July 01 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote:
Casillas was top2 in the last 10 years, not anymore and it's mou's fault that he declined.
It's not that mou saw his decline and benched him, it's the other way around, mou caused it. Motivation is a huge drive for athletes at the top.
Having said that Buffon is the best keeper of the last 20 years and an all time great.


Casillas wasn't performing well before he got benched, sure he was still better than Adan but he really wasn't at his best anymore and without any competition he showed no signs of wanting to improve. Add leaking information to the press and I can fully understand Mourinho benching him. Also it was never Mourinho's intention to keep him on the bench, but Casillas got injured. Honestly of all the things Mourinho has done, that decision is the one of the few I agree with.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
July 01 2014 10:24 GMT
#18045
On July 01 2014 18:37 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote:
Casillas was top2 in the last 10 years, not anymore and it's mou's fault that he declined.
It's not that mou saw his decline and benched him, it's the other way around, mou caused it. Motivation is a huge drive for athletes at the top.
Having said that Buffon is the best keeper of the last 20 years and an all time great.


Casillas wasn't performing well before he got benched, sure he was still better than Adan but he really wasn't at his best anymore and without any competition he showed no signs of wanting to improve. Add leaking information to the press and I can fully understand Mourinho benching him. Also it was never Mourinho's intention to keep him on the bench, but Casillas got injured. Honestly of all the things Mourinho has done, that decision is the one of the few I agree with.

Almost all players have lines with journalists and leak to the press. I don't think that's a good reason to bench someone.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 01 2014 10:49 GMT
#18046
This is Mourinho though, like LVG and probs Simeone he expects trusts in return from his players so when they break that you can understand him (maybe not understand him) benching said player to keep him in line. He has done it with lots of players over time.
But like Ysellian said, then Cassilas got injured and Lopez was performing just as good then there was no need to keep playing him.
Ancelotti then comes in and sees the same and as a token gesture to keep him on his side gives Casillas the champions league fixtures in which he still didn't look amazing then it made sense.

Plus everyone in the world has seen his demise now thanks to Brazil World Cup.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
July 01 2014 11:01 GMT
#18047
On July 01 2014 16:53 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i'll get working on Champions league threads then haha xD
I need TriZen to make us some pretty banner themes as i have the artistry of a Greek defender (or any old school defender)


Actually, this topic no longer has any use either . The regular season has ended with the CL final. It's just a placeholder for the 2014-2015 football topic. So if you feel like you're up to it (and if you want to), you can create the 2014-2015 topic as well
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Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
July 01 2014 11:03 GMT
#18048
On July 01 2014 07:45 Greg_J wrote:
Here's something no one is talking about, the UEFA Champions League technically starts tomorrow!

FC Santa Coloma (Andorra) Vs Banants (Armenia)
La Fiorita (San Marino) Vs Levadia Tallinn (Estonia)

and on Wednesday we will be treated to;
Lincoln Red Imps (Gibraltar) Vs Havnar Bóltfelag (Faroe Islands)

Fuck the World cup, Im finding streams for all this games!
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 11:42:46
July 01 2014 11:41 GMT
#18049
On July 01 2014 19:24 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 18:37 Ysellian wrote:
On July 01 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote:
Casillas was top2 in the last 10 years, not anymore and it's mou's fault that he declined.
It's not that mou saw his decline and benched him, it's the other way around, mou caused it. Motivation is a huge drive for athletes at the top.
Having said that Buffon is the best keeper of the last 20 years and an all time great.


Casillas wasn't performing well before he got benched, sure he was still better than Adan but he really wasn't at his best anymore and without any competition he showed no signs of wanting to improve. Add leaking information to the press and I can fully understand Mourinho benching him. Also it was never Mourinho's intention to keep him on the bench, but Casillas got injured. Honestly of all the things Mourinho has done, that decision is the one of the few I agree with.

Almost all players have lines with journalists and leak to the press. I don't think that's a good reason to bench someone.

Depends what is being leaked I've seen plenty of coaches getting pissed off. Like Pandemona said, some coaches desire total loyalty from their players. Guardiola even threatened to offload the player who leaked tactics to the press, but never found out who did it. Which is even more drastic than Mourinho.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 01 2014 12:09 GMT
#18050
On July 01 2014 20:01 Twisted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 16:53 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah i'll get working on Champions league threads then haha xD
I need TriZen to make us some pretty banner themes as i have the artistry of a Greek defender (or any old school defender)


Actually, this topic no longer has any use either . The regular season has ended with the CL final. It's just a placeholder for the 2014-2015 football topic. So if you feel like you're up to it (and if you want to), you can create the 2014-2015 topic as well


Yeah that.....oh my xD

Ok sir xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
July 01 2014 12:59 GMT
#18051
Second burn from di maria about cristiano in just a couple of days.

Di Maria: "Messi is an extraordinary player - the best player in the world. No one can do what he does on the pitch."

And today a newspaper reports that http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2014/07/01/primera/1404176677_173454.html
He asked to leave RM.
Bayern or Man.U would gladly have him I think.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
July 01 2014 12:59 GMT
#18052
On July 01 2014 20:41 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 19:24 RvB wrote:
On July 01 2014 18:37 Ysellian wrote:
On July 01 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote:
Casillas was top2 in the last 10 years, not anymore and it's mou's fault that he declined.
It's not that mou saw his decline and benched him, it's the other way around, mou caused it. Motivation is a huge drive for athletes at the top.
Having said that Buffon is the best keeper of the last 20 years and an all time great.


Casillas wasn't performing well before he got benched, sure he was still better than Adan but he really wasn't at his best anymore and without any competition he showed no signs of wanting to improve. Add leaking information to the press and I can fully understand Mourinho benching him. Also it was never Mourinho's intention to keep him on the bench, but Casillas got injured. Honestly of all the things Mourinho has done, that decision is the one of the few I agree with.

Almost all players have lines with journalists and leak to the press. I don't think that's a good reason to bench someone.

Depends what is being leaked I've seen plenty of coaches getting pissed off. Like Pandemona said, some coaches desire total loyalty from their players. Guardiola even threatened to offload the player who leaked tactics to the press, but never found out who did it. Which is even more drastic than Mourinho.


casillas case was worse than other players in general cause the journalist was/is his wife/girlfriend
ace hwaiting!!
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 13:08:33
July 01 2014 13:07 GMT
#18053
On July 01 2014 21:59 soujiro_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:41 Ysellian wrote:
On July 01 2014 19:24 RvB wrote:
On July 01 2014 18:37 Ysellian wrote:
On July 01 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote:
Casillas was top2 in the last 10 years, not anymore and it's mou's fault that he declined.
It's not that mou saw his decline and benched him, it's the other way around, mou caused it. Motivation is a huge drive for athletes at the top.
Having said that Buffon is the best keeper of the last 20 years and an all time great.


Casillas wasn't performing well before he got benched, sure he was still better than Adan but he really wasn't at his best anymore and without any competition he showed no signs of wanting to improve. Add leaking information to the press and I can fully understand Mourinho benching him. Also it was never Mourinho's intention to keep him on the bench, but Casillas got injured. Honestly of all the things Mourinho has done, that decision is the one of the few I agree with.

Almost all players have lines with journalists and leak to the press. I don't think that's a good reason to bench someone.

Depends what is being leaked I've seen plenty of coaches getting pissed off. Like Pandemona said, some coaches desire total loyalty from their players. Guardiola even threatened to offload the player who leaked tactics to the press, but never found out who did it. Which is even more drastic than Mourinho.


casillas case was worse than other players in general cause the journalist was/is his wife/girlfriend


Casillas just destroyed his reputation with the leaks from Sara Carbonero.

Before that he was the favourite player and captain of all Real Madrid supporters. Since two years ago. half of the R.Madrid supporters in internet forums or webs call him "topo" (mole) and traitor. Including people that doesn't like Mourinho.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 01 2014 13:23 GMT
#18054
Transfer Speculation & Deals

Arsenal will have to pay above their valuation of Mario Mandzukic if they are to beat Wolfsburg and Inter Milan to the Bayern Munich forward.

Alexis Sanchez is understood to be a transfer target for some Premier League clubs and Barcelona have confirmed that bids have been received for the Chile international, with sporting director Andoni Zubizarreta appearing to suggest there is a chance he could leave.

Manchester United are preparing a bid for William Carvalho, according to Portuguese newspaper Record

Liverpool Sign Adam Lallana

Liverpool are now set to complete the signing of Emre Can from Bayer Leverkusen in the next 24 hours

Manchester United are back in the hunt for Arsenal's Thomas Vermaelen after sealing their first two deals of the summer

Frank Lampard will play for Manchester City's A-League side Melbourne City in Australia next season, ahead of the ex-Chelsea midfielder's move to the Etihad club's Major League Soccer franchise New York City FC.

Tottenham will join Arsenal in the race for Ivory Coast's Serge Aurier.

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is planning a £23million move for Real Madrid midfielder Sami Khedira to help bring the best out of playmaker Mesut Ozi

Fraser Forster is being linked with an £8million move to Atletico Madrid.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
July 01 2014 13:45 GMT
#18055
Pretty much proves why messi is the best player in the world.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lionel-messi-is-impossible/

Excellent article, you should all read it.

2 snippets from it

+ Show Spoiler +
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My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
July 01 2014 14:53 GMT
#18056
We don't need any proof to know that :D
People saying CR is as good as/better than Messi are either RM fans or portuguese.
There's a reason nobody ever mentionned CR in a GOAT discussion, whereas for Messi...
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
July 01 2014 15:05 GMT
#18057
On July 01 2014 23:53 WillyWanker wrote:
We don't need any proof to know that :D
People saying CR is as good as/better than Messi are either RM fans or portuguese.
There's a reason nobody ever mentionned CR in a GOAT discussion, whereas for Messi...

If I'm out of the discussion for being Portuguese then you must also be out for being a Barça fan, essentially making your comment worthless?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 15:08:29
July 01 2014 15:08 GMT
#18058
Hahaha let the Messi fan boys eat their stats and figures. We all know who the best player was last year.
This year so far it has been Suarez. Messi has had a good world cup and if he continues to carry Argentina to the final he will go into the start of next season as the best player.

That is it in a nut shell for me at the moment.
And im pretty sure the majority of everyone else who isn't bias? xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 15:19:49
July 01 2014 15:17 GMT
#18059
Yeah Ronaldo had a better season last year, sure. But was he the better player? It's not the same thing...
Anyway it's funny, the only way people argue that Ronaldo is as good as Messi, is with stats. And now that we got these stats, they're not relevant anymore?

It's not about being a fanboy (of course I'm Messi fanboy #1), it's about looking at your TV and see the magic. Messi is wayyyyy above Ronaldo in almost everything. People are comparing them because they play in rival teams and because it's good for marketing.

I'm still waiting for the answer to my GOAT argument. Has anyone every heard about CR being discussed as the GOAT? Messi might not be the best of all time for some people (there's gonna be even less people contesting this when he win this WC :D), but no one has ever said CR was. No one. I think it's enough to see the difference in level between these 2...
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
July 01 2014 15:18 GMT
#18060
The goals above average is interesting, but it's still missing key elements: Messi has a higher goal-per-shot ratio outside the box possibly because he's only willing to shoot if the probability of scoring is higher - Ronaldo might be willing to take more chances. This is makes sense given how Barça plays (retaining possession) relative to how RM plays. The trouble with statistical analysis in football is that players in different teams and different positions are playing under entirely different contexts. A 3point shoot from the corner in the NBA is essentially the same for all players in all teams in the NBA, but there are few instances, apart from free kicks and penalties, where you can compare players across teams in football.

Having said that, Messi's outlierness in those stats is indeed very impressive nonetheless.
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