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On March 28 2014 22:57 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 22:31 Liquid`Drone wrote:
no way would I take di maria over hazard.. he's been top 3 in PL this season I think (after suarez and yaya) Yeah but would you take 80million for Hazard and have change from bringing in Di Maria who could play like Robben for 3-4 seasons xD Yes Hazard has the potential to the best player but he still isn't producing every game yet. Aka Villa away where we lost 1-0 he was pretty poor. He does turn up in the big games though which is where you want him :3 Still id rather keep him of course, but crazy money is crazy money xD
Hazard is the kind of player you want against inferior opposition because he will take him to the cleaners for sure. But he isnt quite there yet.
Then again im not much of a fan of Di Maria either but his effectiveness this season is undeniable. Especially when you consider he has to challenge Bale and Ronaldo and produced pretty well.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah and he has been played out of position too? Hasn't he been playing as a 3rd CM in a 4-3-3? Thats pretty good to be effective as much as he has been whilst playing in a trio of midfielders xD
Yeah i understand you have to keep your best players and Chelsea are more than capable of doing that, but the main reason we lack a killer instinct is because we cannot put the ball in the net. A world class striker (Cavani) would be pretty nice suited to Mourinhos style too.
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Norway28911 Posts
yeah, if you want to be a top club you don't sell players that you can't replace. Fair enough that tottenham sold bale even though they couldn't replace him, but for tottenham winning the PL and being a CL contender wasn't really on the table, so for them it was a great deal because the money would enable them to keep the top 4-contender/at least europa league status, and as they weren't a top club bale would eventually leave anyway.
but a team like chelsea, where they have many very good players but none better than hazard, and where they have a lot of money, selling him would just be terrible. They need more hazard-level players, and everything other than more hazard level players is already in place.
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On March 28 2014 23:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yeah, if you want to be a top club you don't sell players that you can't replace. Fair enough that tottenham sold bale even though they couldn't replace him, but for tottenham winning the PL and being a CL contender wasn't really on the table, so for them it was a great deal because the money would enable them to keep the top 4-contender/at least europa league status, and as they weren't a top club bale would eventually leave anyway.
but a team like chelsea, where they have many very good players but none better than hazard, and where they have a lot of money, selling him would just be terrible. They need more hazard-level players, and everything other than more hazard level players is already in place.
I like Cavani to Chelsea, He can score goals
The problem with players like Cavani or even Chelseas misfiring frontline in Etoo and Torress is that if they arent scoring goals they arent really capable of doing much else. Working hard is nice and all but strikers are not in lineups to just work hard.
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On March 28 2014 23:38 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah and he has been played out of position too? Hasn't he been playing as a 3rd CM in a 4-3-3? Thats pretty good to be effective as much as he has been whilst playing in a trio of midfielders xD
Yeah i understand you have to keep your best players and Chelsea are more than capable of doing that, but the main reason we lack a killer instinct is because we cannot put the ball in the net. A world class striker (Cavani) would be pretty nice suited to Mourinhos style too.
Chelsea have been title contenders for the whole of Mourinho's second reign practically without a striker. It's a testament to how unbelievable our midfield is when an average striker in a premier league club has more goals than Ba, Torres and Eto together. We need a striker, but its paramount we don't mess up the top 3 midfield in the world we have right now.
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Norway28911 Posts
I also like Cavani to chelsea - but I don't like replacing hazard with di maria
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On March 28 2014 23:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yeah, if you want to be a top club you don't sell players that you can't replace. Fair enough that tottenham sold bale even though they couldn't replace him, but for tottenham winning the PL and being a CL contender wasn't really on the table, so for them it was a great deal because the money would enable them to keep the top 4-contender/at least europa league status, and as they weren't a top club bale would eventually leave anyway.
but a team like chelsea, where they have many very good players but none better than hazard, and where they have a lot of money, selling him would just be terrible. They need more hazard-level players, and everything other than more hazard level players is already in place.
Spurs selling Bale took them from a champions league side to a barely europa league qualifying side. United sold Ronaldo for a silly high amount of money years ago and yet people today can say 'was it worth it?'. Could they have kept those players? Probably not. But I guess it all depends on what/who the money gets invested into after a player is sold for that much money.
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Norway28911 Posts
whether the team can hold on to the player is obviously an integral part of the "is selling the right thing to do" equation.
with hazard it's not like it's 80 million this year or 40 million next year or he leaves for free in two years, it's sell him or keep him. with bale it would be keep him for another year or two and then lose him for much less, ronaldo same thingish.
no player leaves real madrid at the height of their career. teams that want to compete with real madrid, and chelsea is there imo, want that to apply to them also.
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On March 29 2014 00:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:
whether the team can hold on to the player is obviously an integral part of the "is selling the right thing to do" equation.
with hazard it's not like it's 80 million this year or 40 million next year or he leaves for free in two years, it's sell him or keep him. with bale it would be keep him for another year or two and then lose him for much less, ronaldo same thingish.
no player leaves real madrid at the height of their career. teams that want to compete with real madrid, and chelsea is there imo, want that to apply to them also.
True. But Manchester United were on par with Real a few years ago when he was sold to them. I think at the very very top, when players know they are going to get payed boatloads, it becomes more about where the player always wanted to leave a mark. Hazard being french might way on his mind when PSG offers to make him a god of football in France. But I think for now Chelsea is more inviting for him (or he would have just moved to PSG instead of Chelsea two years ago).
edit: In other news it looks like the Utd fans have the plane and 'The Wrong One' banner ready to fly over ManU's next home game.
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Norway28911 Posts
belgium not french but yeah, personal desire rather than wanting to play for a better club was the reason why ronaldo went to real instead of staying with united. And that's something you can't really ever combat.
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On March 29 2014 00:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
belgium not french but yeah, personal desire rather than wanting to play for a better club was the reason why ronaldo went to real instead of staying with united. And that's something you can't really ever combat.
Well... The french part of Belgium was what I meant 
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On March 28 2014 23:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I also like Cavani to chelsea
I don't >
I'm happy with the squad we have now and the fact that the owners really seem to be aiming for stability and building something together with the players and the coach.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 29 2014 01:05 Akka wrote:I don't  I'm happy with the squad we have now and the fact that the owners really seem to be aiming for stability and building something together with the players and the coach.
Until UEFA get hold your financial records
WUAHAHAHAHAH :D
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
OMG
What really? hahahahaha
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On March 29 2014 01:17 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 01:05 Akka wrote:On March 28 2014 23:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I also like Cavani to chelsea I don't > I'm happy with the squad we have now and the fact that the owners really seem to be aiming for stability and building something together with the players and the coach. Until UEFA get hold your financial records WUAHAHAHAHAH :D
That plane banner thing is going really far...
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On March 29 2014 01:17 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 01:05 Akka wrote:On March 28 2014 23:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I also like Cavani to chelsea I don't > I'm happy with the squad we have now and the fact that the owners really seem to be aiming for stability and building something together with the players and the coach. Until UEFA get hold your financial records WUAHAHAHAHAH :D
Wait until EU freezes abramovitch's assets everywhere
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 29 2014 01:47 tekos44 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 01:17 Pandemona wrote:On March 29 2014 01:05 Akka wrote:On March 28 2014 23:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I also like Cavani to chelsea I don't I'm happy with the squad we have now and the fact that the owners really seem to be aiming for stability and building something together with the players and the coach. Until UEFA get hold your financial records WUAHAHAHAHAH :D Wait until EU freezes abramovitch's assets everywhere
Lol thats the only thing that will fuck us up xD
But that wont happen...i hope
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On March 29 2014 00:38 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 00:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
belgium not french but yeah, personal desire rather than wanting to play for a better club was the reason why ronaldo went to real instead of staying with united. And that's something you can't really ever combat. Well... The french part of Belgium was what I meant
Which is basically Brussels and a little bit..
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I think it would make sense to fire Moyes before the Bayern tie if Utd loses tomorrow. Mind as well try something different compared to getting blown out for sure. Unless Bayern has a weakness for useless crosses.
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