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On March 05 2014 23:30 MapleLeafSirup wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 06:56 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Germanys problem will not be the weather or the traveling, it will be the coach.
A year ago or something like that i really thought Germany has a shot at this but our coach is just bad. He has almost no rotation, does weird roster decisions and basically just copys the tactic from other guys.
2010 he was highly influenced by Van Gaals Bayern, 2012 he played like Jürgen Klopps Dortmund and currently the last few testgames were just copycats of what Guardiola is doing currently which is a fluent 4-1-4-1 with Lahm as a central midfielder which would be horrible in the national team.. He is not to blame if he copies Guardiola's system because most German national players are from Bayern and therefore are used to it. Especially Lahm, who has been playing DM almost all the time under Pep, would have a hard time re-adjusting to his old position again. Pep tried that against Arsenal and immediately changed it back during halftime. Additionally the offensive Bayern midfield players are well attuned to this system with Lahm playing DM. Please also consider that Khedira and Gündogan will most likely miss the WC. Besides, I agree that he rotates too little. Or let's put it this way. He likes to stick with his favorite players for far too long.
The reason Guardiola changed it back against Arsenal was because Boateng had to be subbed due to a potential red card and Martinez was shifted back. He plays 5 different roles every game anyway so there would be no problem on that side.
The thing with copying Peps bayern is that every game plan is just a "base" which is adjusted constantly by Guardola. Against Arsenal he made a adjustment 5 seconds after the first touch. Löw doesnt have this skill to that amount (i personally think no one has).
Ther German roster lacks also some types of players for playing like that, like Tiago, Robben and Alaba.
Also you have to keep in mind that Pep has hundreds of hours to practice, were Löw only has about 2 weeks with regeneration, traveling and media stuff.
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On March 05 2014 23:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Also you have to keep in mind that Pep has hundreds of hours to practice, were Löw only has about 2 weeks with regeneration, traveling and media stuff.
Isn't that the point of copying the system? Building a new system takes time, and if it's already built in FC Bayern and can be inserted into the national team through Schweinsteiger, Müller, Kroos in the midfield, isn't that preferable to creating something from scratch in a limited time?
I remember in 2004 Scolari had been trying to create something new and having difficulty in the first games, then Mourinho pointed out that he should use the system he built at Porto with Deco, Costinha, Maniche, and we won every game until the finals.
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germany lacks roster depth.
yes there are a ton of good midfielders, but except hummels we have no world class defender + a bunch of important players will be coming back from long time injuries (or won't make it at all). if you really think we can take the cup with players like lasogga on the roster you are out of your frikkin mind =)
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On March 06 2014 00:44 scoww wrote:
germany lacks roster depth.
Nice joke.
Germanys roster depth is amazing. The fact that Gündogan and Kedhira are injured and germany still has probably the best midfield world wide says something.
(Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Götze, Lahm) ha almost forgot Özil
And Hummels and Mertesacker who is as good as never before + a very strong Boaeteng not bad at all either and then Schmelzer defenisvely whos not bad either.
Dunno what your talking about T_T
Germanys roster is stacked
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On March 06 2014 01:09 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Nice joke. Germanys roster depth is amazing. The fact that Gündogan and Kedhira are injured and germany still has probably the best midfield world wide says something. (Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Götze, Lahm) ha almost forgot Özil And Hummels and Mertesacker who is as good as never before + a very strong Boaeteng not bad at all either and then Schmelzer defenisvely whos not bad either. Dunno what your talking about T_T Germanys roster is stacked
Spains midfield >>>>>> Germanys xD
When Juan Mata doesn't even get called up to Spain SQUAD, it clearly is the best squad in the game still.
But of course Germany squad is not weak, but Spain have the best Squad, especially now they have Diego Costa
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Yeah, Kroos, Sweinsteiger, Goetze, Müller, Reus, Draxler and I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch more. I don't think the midfields are that different to be honest. Not sure if Mata would make the German squad either.
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lol Spain doesn't >>>>>> Germany in midfield. I'd say they're fairly comparable.
Yeah Mata isn't *that* good. It's pretty normal that he doesn't make Spain's midfield imo.
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Xavi Iniesta Busquets Pedro Koke Thiago Fabregas Martinez Alonso Cazorla Silva Navas
Spains current midfield for this international break xd
He helped them win Euros in 2012!! He got Torres top scorer on his own xD
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Pedro Koke Cazorla Silva Navas would have a hard time making it into the german squad. And Xavi / Iniesta might be past their prime by now.
Spain's squad is ridiculously stacked obviously and they have better strikers (even counting Torres here), but I agree that Germany's midfield is at least comparable.
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One thing this argument does make very clear is how far ahead these two teams are ahead of the world at the moment. Would the Netherlands even manage to get a starter in those line-ups? Sad really, I miss the 90's 
edit: Oh well Klaassen and Boetius are the future! 
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RVP would make it in any squad and Robben too I guess. The rest doesn't have a chance.
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On March 06 2014 01:48 Ysellian wrote:One thing this argument does make very clear is how far ahead these two teams are ahead of the world at the moment. Would the Netherlands even manage to get a starter in those line-ups? Sad really, I miss the 90's edit: Oh well Klaassen and Boetius are the future!
If the Netherlands have a left-back that can walk 3m straight without falling than he would easily make it into Germany's lineup :p
Germany has injury problems, lacks defensive players, has no striker and a weird coach.
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On March 06 2014 01:09 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Germanys roster depth is amazing.
No it isn't.
Yes we have a stacked midfield (like I already said). But defense and strikers are not on the same level at all. Thats what you call roster depth.
Schmelzer was injured and is still not playing his best. maybe he'll get there, maybe not - certainly there is no alternative.
Boateng is a liability at best. and since lahm will probably play cm he'll have to play rb where he sucks even more actually I would prefer Großkreutz over him.
Also, if one of these guys or Hummels or Mertesacker gets injured (again) we're really fucked. Westermann, Höwedes, Jansen are a bad joke
Klose/Gomez injury can be compensated with even more midfielders (pls not with Lasogga -_-) especially Gomez probably won't be nowhere near his level of '12
I could go on but TL;DR lots of midfielders =! roster depth
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somebody should tell pep!
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I am more a fan of annexing Austria, Alaba would fix so many problems. Also they finally could watch a World Cup with their team
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bayern could probably play 1-8-1 and would still win all their Buli games ...
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On March 06 2014 02:29 Micro_Jackson wrote:I am more a fan of annexing Austria, Alaba would fix so many problems. Also they finally could watch a World Cup with their team
Just give him a wig and Schmelzer's shirt, nobody will notice!
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Half-time at Athens, we are losing 0-1 to the koreans but we had 3 post hits lol, I expect us to score in the 2nd half.
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Ibrahimovic is in the Sweden's starting line up.
We're going to get slaughtered rofl.
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On March 06 2014 02:08 scoww wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 01:09 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On March 06 2014 00:44 scoww wrote:
germany lacks roster depth.
Germanys roster depth is amazing. No it isn't. Yes we have a stacked midfield (like I already said). But defense and strikers are not on the same level at all. Thats what you call roster depth. Schmelzer was injured and is still not playing his best. maybe he'll get there, maybe not - certainly there is no alternative. Boateng is a liability at best. and since lahm will probably play cm he'll have to play rb where he sucks even more actually I would prefer Großkreutz over him. Also, if one of these guys or Hummels or Mertesacker gets injured (again) we're really fucked. Westermann, Höwedes, Jansen are a bad joke Klose/Gomez injury can be compensated with even more midfielders (pls not with Lasogga -_-) especially Gomez probably won't be nowhere near his level of '12 I could go on but TL;DR lots of midfielders =! roster depth
so what team in the world has roster depth then? lol
Spain has no world class defenders either
and their best strikers are either too old (Villas=Klose) or lost their touch (Torres=Gomez)
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