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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
As much as I cheer for Lewandowski, he is now on the verge of joining new club, where many things can happen with his undeniable potential - good and bad. Personally, I'd prefer him to take the bite and switch to Premier League but it's hard to argue that Bayern has been gaining a lot of appeal recently. Same applies to Cavani's probable switch to PSG. And Balotelli has been promising long enough. It's time for him to start really delivering, or he will join The | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:14 sharkie wrote: How many of you would have put Gomez in top10 strikers one year ago? Most likely everyone lol I've been saying he is overrated since he was first labeled "world class", hahaha. I would still put him there, but I know i cant argue for that since he hasnt played a lot. His efficieny this season was top notch, though. Again. Also it was difficult for him losing his position allthough he scored well last season. So even more praise for him for his attitude. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51487 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:16 wingpawn wrote: That "peak of play at 28" for strikers is generally true, but there's been many exceptions. Shearer, Montella, Inzaghi, Di Natale, Drogba, Milito all excelled at about 30-33 or at least you can say they caught second wind and matched the level of play they represented in their mid-20s. Not to mention Romario, who at the age of 35 was greeted like a savior by Brasilian national team when they had one of the worst goalscoring crisis in history (and almost dropped from South America World Cup qualifiers). As much as I cheer for Lewandowski, he is now on the verge of joining new club, where many things can happen with his undeniable potential - good and bad. Personally, I'd prefer him to take the bite and switch to Premier League but it's hard to argue that Bayern has been gaining a lot of appeal recently. Same applies to Cavani's probable switch to PSG. And Balotelli has been promising long enough. It's time for him to start really delivering, or he will join The Pretty good points but what Drogba is probably the only guy on that list that i would say, yeah he was a top striker in the new kind of era for strikers. Di Natale all be it goes about his game and scores for fun still he still has never come across world class to many. Milito i can only remember being good for one season under TSO Inzaghi Shearer and Montella all again the wrong era where it was 2 man attacks and wingers crossing it and tap ins galore. I do agree though, i guess there is a few that play better in there 30s than there early 20s, but it is a few. I do think RVP has gone now and wont be a shadow of his goal scoring self this season, will get 20 goals in total i reckon, less than 15 in prem. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6214 Posts
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3point14
Germany890 Posts
english or german ones please | ||
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sharkie
Austria18412 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:43 3point14 wrote: what are good football news sites? english or german ones please kicker.de is very good for German speaking, they never speculate much | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:14 sharkie wrote: How many of you would have put Gomez in top10 strikers one year ago? Most likely everyone lol I've been saying he is overrated since he was first labeled "world class", hahaha. I think most sane German fans have known since he started playing with the national team that, while he is definitely good, he's consistently been overrated. He's a great finisher, but he has absolutely no creativity and really can't do much unless he's given the ball. I have always preferred having Klose on the field because Gomez can't really contribute when Germany is sluggish and uninspired, and that's how they've lost in every international tournament for quite a while now. Coincidentally, I see Lewandowski as very similar to Gomez. He's younger, a little faster, maybe a little more talented with the ball, but he still doesn't really offer that much to the squad aside from his striking capabilities. There were numerous instances this past season where Dortmund drew/lost due to very uninspired and impotent play, and in these games, Lewandowski would completely disappear. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:24 Pandemona wrote: I do agree though, i guess there is a few that play better in there 30s than there early 20s, but it is a few. I do think RVP has gone now and wont be a shadow of his goal scoring self this season, will get 20 goals in total i reckon, less than 15 in prem. I find it hard to agree with your point about RVP. Some footballers' styles just work at older ages. It's like a power puncher in boxing. He is the George Foreman of strikers. His style requires little pace and energy. Just stand around, get balls, spin and work the goalkeeper. On July 11 2013 00:50 Stratos_speAr wrote: I think most sane German fans have known since he started playing with the national team that, while he is definitely good, he's consistently been overrated. He's a great finisher, but he has absolutely no creativity and really can't do much unless he's given the ball. I have always preferred having Klose on the field because Gomez can't really contribute when Germany is sluggish and uninspired, and that's how they've lost in every international tournament for quite a while now. Coincidentally, I see Lewandowski as very similar to Gomez. He's younger, a little faster, maybe a little more talented with the ball, but he still doesn't really offer that much to the squad aside from his striking capabilities. There were numerous instances this past season where Dortmund drew/lost due to very uninspired and impotent play, and in these games, Lewandowski would completely disappear. I have a sneaky suspicion that you are correct. Lewandowski does not seem to have the ability to put the team on his back like so many other strikers in the list. Actually, he has seemed fairly lame when I have seen him play for Poland and he doesn't seem to produce consistently for Bayern in the big matches as you have said. It could go either way, perhaps in another two years we will see where his true value lies, but I do believe he is a touch overvalued and overrated currently. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51487 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:43 3point14 wrote: what are good football news sites? english or german ones please www.skysports.com Best there is by a mile | ||
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:58 sc4k wrote: I have a sneaky suspicion that you are correct. Lewandowski does not seem to have the ability to put the team on his back like so many other strikers in the list. Actually, he has seemed fairly lame when I have seen him play for Poland and he doesn't seem to produce consistently for Bayern in the big matches as you have said. It could go either way, perhaps in another two years we will see where his true value lies, but I do believe he is a touch overvalued and overrated currently. Well, he's very good at covering the ball and bringing teammates into play with short passes. True, he doesn't have much flair, but his first contact with ball is usually spot on and he can hold his nerves when it's time to strike. As for Polish national team, we're severly lacking good central and attacking midfielders like Reus or Gundogan, so Robert is usually pretty alone down there unless Piszczek or Blaszczykowski run inside and help him. Besides, Polish football strategy has been always about 10 years behind the top tier - currently, most of the youth players are being schooled to play under standard 4-4-2 system - so in national team, whenever manager opts for 4-2-3-1, most of midfielders really struggle to adapt. In few games where 4-4-2 was revived and Lewandowski played more a deep-lying forward, he was doing better, but that was when Barrios was leading poacher of BvB and Lewy was more familiar with supporting striker position because Klopp invented it for him. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6214 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On July 11 2013 00:50 Stratos_speAr wrote: I think most sane German fans have known since he started playing with the national team that, while he is definitely good, he's consistently been overrated. He's a great finisher, but he has absolutely no creativity and really can't do much unless he's given the ball. I have always preferred having Klose on the field because Gomez can't really contribute when Germany is sluggish and uninspired, and that's how they've lost in every international tournament for quite a while now. Coincidentally, I see Lewandowski as very similar to Gomez. He's younger, a little faster, maybe a little more talented with the ball, but he still doesn't really offer that much to the squad aside from his striking capabilities. There were numerous instances this past season where Dortmund drew/lost due to very uninspired and impotent play, and in these games, Lewandowski would completely disappear. Strikers have to be great finishers. The rest is of course nice, but not as important. When you're talking about creativity and contributing you're not talking about a "true" striker. | ||
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
On July 11 2013 02:01 RvB wrote: Does it really matter what way youth plays? The Dutch youth has been playing 4-3-3 since the dawn of time and I don't think it matters that much. With money, coaches and facilities, I'm sure Dutch youth aquires 300% more tactical flexibility before reaching senior age and joining foreign clubs. Down here, it's very, very different. Pretty much all top Polish players in last 20 years were sold to stronger Western clubs at very early stages of their careers and learned tons of stuff abroad. To this day, players close to the end of their careers who rejoin Polish teams give interviews like: Q: What's the most important lesson you learned while playing abroad? A: To think more tactically. Q: Which means...? A: It's better to stand wisely than to run stupidly! | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 11 2013 02:21 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Strikers have to be great finishers. The rest is of course nice, but not as important. When you're talking about creativity and contributing you're not talking about a "true" striker. This is absolutely true, and Gomez is a great striker (and Lewandowski is even better), but at the end of the day there are several strikers out there that can offer more than just finishing skill, and when there are, suddenly it becomes a little bit harder to be considered one of the best when you are missing a skill set that other strikers have. Many of the top goalscorers don't even play the CF position, so having such a one-dimensional skill set isn't the ideal situation. When there are so many wingers and midfielders that can significantly contribute to goals, I'd much rather have someone who is a little worse at finishing than someone like Lewandowski but has more skill in other areas, and I don't think I'm alone. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
http://www.bvbtotal.de/ 2-1 at the moment (Reus, Mkhitaryan - Schär) | ||
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Epx
Switzerland209 Posts
On July 11 2013 03:03 smr wrote: If you guys want to watch some soccer there's a test match between Dortmund and FC Basel going on http://www.bvbtotal.de/ 2-1 at the moment (Reus, Mkhitaryan - Schär) new bvb looking good actually. too bad götze left, with him this team would be even more beast next season. | ||
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Mercurial
Canada92 Posts
On July 11 2013 03:03 smr wrote: If you guys want to watch some soccer there's a test match between Dortmund and FC Basel going on http://www.bvbtotal.de/ 2-1 at the moment (Reus, Mkhitaryan - Schär) did it end already? | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
half time. should be back any minute | ||
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
thats pretty damn good | ||
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