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Time to move on to the next thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/460943-2014-2015-football-thread
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
July 10 2013 11:18 GMT
#561
Leonardo will leave PSG at the end of the transfer window. Personally I have not liked him that much, but thanks to him we have Ibra and Thiago Silva. It should give Laurent Blanc more power to shape the team like he wants.

I am a bit surprised by the timing of the announcement. Hopefully it does not jeopardize PSG recruitment.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6237 Posts
July 10 2013 11:34 GMT
#562
On July 10 2013 18:20 Zeo wrote:
I still think Lewandowski is a bit too overrated, and isn't Messi a midfielder?
Not too many pure classical strikers left in the game these days, let alone two-man strike partnerships

A midfielder doesn't score 60 goals a season.
You're right he isn't a classical striker though
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 10 2013 12:35 GMT
#563


Mohamed Al Fayed is in advanced talks to sell Fulham after 16 years of ownership, according to Sky sources.

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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 10 2013 12:50 GMT
#564
False nines are a mixture of the two. Dropping deep to take part in or to initiate the build-up play, and then move forwards to try and get on the end of the move. It was designed to make it easier for the player to escape the constant attentions of the CBs. It's fair to say that Messi really has made the position his own. He has everything you could possibly want from a false nine.

However, the weakness of focusing your attacks through a false nine is that it requires the opposition to play with some space between the midfield and the defence. If they 'park the bus' as shown by Chelsea, Inter Milan, Celtic and a few other teams, or are athletic enough to consistently close down the player when he's in the final third, like Bayern & Madrid, it could turn into a very frustrating match. It also helps if your other two forwards are real individual threats themselves, instead of relying on the false nine to get them going all the time.
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WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 13:00:39
July 10 2013 12:59 GMT
#565
If I had to do a top 10 now it would be:
1. Messi

2. Ronaldo



3. Ibrahimovic
4. Suarez
5. Aguero
6. Van Persie
7. Falcao
8. Cavani
9. Lewandowski/Neymar/Villa

I took into account the 'potential' of a player, even if it can be seen as a totally irrelevant factor in a professional game where you need to 'be' more than 'to seem like you can be'... For example, I believe Aguero could be number 2 but he doesn't seem to be able to play at his full potential regularly...
Villa would have probably been in my top 5-6 two or three years ago (he's my crush ) but now he seems too old or at least lost on the field with Barcelona (which probably has something to do with how they treated him...), so
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 10 2013 13:07 GMT
#566
So if you took potential into account how come 24yr old Lewandowski is 9th and 26yr old Cavani is 8th and 27yr old Falcao is 7th. Yet OAP RVP is 6th and 31yr old Ibra is 3rd xD
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 10 2013 13:09 GMT
#567
On July 10 2013 16:37 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 16:30 Tazza wrote:
Man, having such a dilemma about this jersey thing. Now I'm wondering, should I get the numbers on the jersey? Already decided against a name on the jersey. If I don't get numbers, It'd be more like a shirt. Thing is, I don't want to look ridiculous wearing a jersey haha. Won't be wearing it in Korea unless there's a match, but I will be going to another country soon


You should get a player's name and number It's weird if you just get a number and if you get nothing it means you are either poor or not a proper fan.


Aw hell no. I never get a name/number unless 1) I'm customizing it with my favorite number/my name or 2) It's the name/number of a legend of the team. The problem with getting a name/number is that that player could leave at any time, and then you look like an idiot with a name on your kit when that player plays for a different club.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
July 10 2013 13:28 GMT
#568
On July 10 2013 21:35 Pandemona wrote:


Mohamed Al Fayed is in advanced talks to sell Fulham after 16 years of ownership, according to Sky sources.



hahahaha I hope the new owner doesn't tear down the shrine to Michael Jackson!!!!
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
July 10 2013 13:28 GMT
#569
On July 10 2013 22:07 Pandemona wrote:
So if you took potential into account how come 24yr old Lewandowski is 9th and 26yr old Cavani is 8th and 27yr old Falcao is 7th. Yet OAP RVP is 6th and 31yr old Ibra is 3rd xD

Potential has nothing to do with age bro :s
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
July 10 2013 13:32 GMT
#570
On July 10 2013 21:50 Telcontar wrote:
False nines are a mixture of the two. Dropping deep to take part in or to initiate the build-up play, and then move forwards to try and get on the end of the move. It was designed to make it easier for the player to escape the constant attentions of the CBs. It's fair to say that Messi really has made the position his own. He has everything you could possibly want from a false nine.

However, the weakness of focusing your attacks through a false nine is that it requires the opposition to play with some space between the midfield and the defence. If they 'park the bus' as shown by Chelsea, Inter Milan, Celtic and a few other teams, or are athletic enough to consistently close down the player when he's in the final third, like Bayern & Madrid, it could turn into a very frustrating match. It also helps if your other two forwards are real individual threats themselves, instead of relying on the false nine to get them going all the time.


Obviously it isn't just this simple, but why don't more teams just play an anchor man against teams with false nines?
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 10 2013 13:33 GMT
#571
On July 10 2013 22:28 WillyWanker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 22:07 Pandemona wrote:
So if you took potential into account how come 24yr old Lewandowski is 9th and 26yr old Cavani is 8th and 27yr old Falcao is 7th. Yet OAP RVP is 6th and 31yr old Ibra is 3rd xD

Potential has nothing to do with age bro :s


Hmm? How so.
Potentially this player can be good..well if he is 30 he has no chance. If he is 28+ he has 0 potential left, he should of hit his peak by then. Anything under that still has "potential" left in them. A kid has potential, not a 30 something, or a 28+ something.
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WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
July 10 2013 13:38 GMT
#572
Yeah but every player has a 'potential' limit. I doubt Lewandowski can ever be as good as Ibra or Suarez. I think Van Persie had a good potential and he is totally showing it, but his limits are probably lower than Suarez's or Aguero's. But that's very subjective anyway, we always get these feelings for certains players (in my case Suarez/Aguero) and we are always frustrated when they don't perform at the level we wish they would... Maybe they just cannot be as good as what we think because in football there are other elements like the psychological strength, the hygiene, the professionalism, luck/bad luck, etc..
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 10 2013 13:47 GMT
#573
Of course got no palms with potential left in Aguero and Suarez. There 25 and 26, thats still a good 5-6 seasons of having there pace left. But Ibra and RVP are just going to get worst and worst every season.

Lewandowski will be 3rd/4th on any worlds striker list by the end of his 1st season in Bayern. Obviously you can't beat the likes of Ronaldo and Messi at the moment, and maybe even Neymar might push Lewandowski a bit lower, but no reason why he wont be at least 4th on anyones list in his first season at Bayern.

Falcao will not be anywhere on my list if he doesn't get back into Europe and scoring it quickly, Suarez the same. I want to see him in Champions league before id put him in the top 6 of the best. Cavani has done it at most levels too, so i would put him 4th currently. RVP and Ibra as they are getting worst should be as low as possible. I also think Villa has lost it now, mainly due to Barca fault for fucking him over last season, should of let him leave for Arsenal in January for him to get something out of his legs, but ala they left him to rot on the bench and now he has finished.
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WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
July 10 2013 13:54 GMT
#574
Lewandowski, Falcao, Cavani, these are world class player but they don't make a game. Falcao did that but in Atletico Madrid, not a top club. Suarez, , Ibra, and to a lesser extent RVP, these guys are a step or two ahead of the competition, they can do everything and they still are awesome when they play in the pure 9 role. Imo, the 3 first ones will never be as good as what IS (still now) Ibrahimovic. Aguero has the 'potential' to do just that, but Atletico/M.City are not the teams he needs to be in to show his talent...
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
July 10 2013 14:16 GMT
#575
If we are speaking of potential, don't forget Balotelli. I think he is the most promising young striker.

But yeah, I concur with WillyWanker, Ibrahimovic is a step ahead of everybody not called Ronaldo or Messi.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 14:52:40
July 10 2013 14:49 GMT
#576
Apparently Gerard Deulofeu is moving on loan to Everton.

Blackburn's Swedish international left back Martin Olsson has transfered to Norwich, fee undisclosed.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 10 2013 14:54 GMT
#577
Why the fuck wouldnt you feature mandzukic in the striker power rank, he won the god damn triple. I know its not only about results, but they have to count as well. what the heck guys.
This is our town, scrub
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 15:12:56
July 10 2013 15:12 GMT
#578
On July 10 2013 23:54 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Why the fuck wouldnt you feature mandzukic in the striker power rank, he won the god damn triple. I know its not only about results, but they have to count as well. what the heck guys.

Mandzukic's role is about more than just scoring goals, he doesn't need to be included in a striker power rank to be good at it.

The team that won the Champions League left an old school striker capable of scoring lots of goals on the bench and used a team player in his stead, so why worry about striker power ranks?
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 10 2013 15:13 GMT
#579
Im just butthurt thats all
This is our town, scrub
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18478 Posts
July 10 2013 15:14 GMT
#580
How many of you would have put Gomez in top10 strikers one year ago? Most likely everyone lol

I've been saying he is overrated since he was first labeled "world class", hahaha.
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