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On July 06 2013 05:11 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 04:34 RvB wrote:
I don't see the problem. Chelsea was no top team when Abramovic bought them and he made it one with the momey he pumped in. The French league is taking the same route with PSG and Monaco being the big stimuli. THe problem is obviously the quality of league they are being brought to. Great players being taken away from the chance to see top competition in order to compstomp low level teams. It's just upsetting from the point of view of any reasonable football fan to see great players hived away, only to play in really competitive matches once in a blue moon or in the CL. In the PL or to a lesser extent la liga/ the bundesliga, you get to see regular performance against top competition.
Fair enough, I see your point I just don't really see a problem with it.
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Maybe we should just wait and see what happens before we complain. I mean, PSG got to the quarterfinals of the Champions League last year, and only lost to Barcelona on away goals, so it's not like they are a bad team.
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Sorry but you are just butthurt that cavani and falcao didn't come to chalsea. PL is not that much better if at all than the other european leagues. And even this would be the case...there is enough competition in all those leagues to make every player to give it their all or they WILL fail.
It's understandable that english fans want to have these awesome players in their league but so does the rest of the world.
From a sports point of view PL teams have proven that money and competition isn't everything in football in the last years.
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On July 06 2013 02:34 Zeo wrote:So apparently a football match in Brazil had a very interesting turn of events. The referee Octavio da Silva Cantanhede Jordan (20) showed a red card to a player Josemir Santos Abreu (30). Dissatisfied the player started cursing and tried to kick the referee, not taking any of that the referee proceeded to pull out a knife and stab the red-carded player in the abdomen, who later died on the way to the hospital. Shortly after seeing their player get stabbed, part of the crowd... angry... went down onto the pitch and lynched the referee, kicking and punching him to death after which they decapitated him, impaled his head on a stake and hung it from the goal post, all this was amateur-filmed and put on youtube (later taken down) http://www.espn.com.br/noticia/340503_jogo-no-maranhao-termina-com-jogador-assassinado-e-juiz-esquartejadoCan't wait for the World Cup to start :D
That is absolutely hilarious :D
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On July 06 2013 05:11 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 04:34 RvB wrote:
I don't see the problem. Chelsea was no top team when Abramovic bought them and he made it one with the momey he pumped in. The French league is taking the same route with PSG and Monaco being the big stimuli. THe problem is obviously the quality of league they are being brought to. Great players being taken away from the chance to see top competition in order to compstomp low level teams. It's just upsetting from the point of view of any reasonable football fan to see great players hived away, only to play in really competitive matches once in a blue moon or in the CL. In the PL or to a lesser extent la liga/ the bundesliga, you get to see regular performance against top competition.
Maybe with those players going there and the league getting more exposure through its top clubs performing well internationaly the league can grow aswell.. or how do you suggest other leagues get competitive ?
it does seem hypocritical to suggest that your "concerned" for football players when these players go to smaller markets, Chelsea has been a revolving door for talents in the past decade after all. What about them ? Dont feel bad for them ?
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Anyway, PSG has always been a club with stars, and not the worst: Ronaldinho, Weah, Ginola, etc... The won a European Cup BEFORE being bought, and they've always been the center of the attention of french medias even when they were competing to stay in the first league. So it's not a lesser club by any mean.
France is an average league, but even the top 3 teams in the world would have trouble going more than 85 points playing in this league since our teams only play defensive... So it's not the most attractive league in the world, but saying it's shit is faaaar from the truth. Every year several english teams buy large amount of french players... PSG also controls one of the major football broadcaster to come (Bein TV, Qatar based) and France is in the middle (geographically speaking) of the 4 other major championships, which isn't the case of Russia, Turkey, etc... So there is a good potential to grow a bigger league with, for now, 2 big teams and 2-3 not so bad teams (Marseille, Lyon, Lillle), with new stadiums arriving soon. The only bad thing is what I mentionned before: the lack of football history, culture and passion. The two first can get better over the time, but the last one I don't know how to do anything about that 
Concerning European cups, I believe PSG has more opportunities than Chelsea to play it, and go far: less competition in the local league means less efforts. Sure it means being less used to big games, but this year PSG proved they could do it (and without a big rival like Monaco in the league). Additionally, PSG can probably secure a CL's spot every year, which is not Chelsea's case.
So what are Chelsea's advantages for Cavani? Playing under Mourinho (and I'm not sure it's every player's dream), facing Man.U/Arsenal/MCity regularly, but that's it. Being in London? Paris is at least as good for life, for the wife, etc...
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What's the tax situation compared to France and England? I'm pretty sure many kids went to Monaco knowing they could reap the benefits of their tame taxation laws.
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On July 06 2013 14:17 GTR wrote:
What's the tax situation compared to France and England? I'm pretty sure many kids went to Monaco knowing they could reap the benefits of their tame taxation laws.
There is no income tax in Monaco for residents that don't have French nationality.
I think we've discussed it before. I don't think it's really fair that Monaco's players have that tax exemption, but at the same time, the league and federation seem pretty slimy considering that no one gave a shit when Monaco were languishing in Ligue 2.
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On July 06 2013 01:18 Tazza wrote:
Lot of drama going on in korea right now. Ki Sung Yong, probably our most important player, has been posting on his private facebook account some harsh words about the past manager and it was revealed like two days ago. He wrote about how the coach shouldn't mess with the europe based players and stuff like that.
Then the past manager, choi, went on to talk about how Ki and the europe-based players created a negative attitude in the locker room and how they would only eat by themselves.
In korea, as you know, its really bad to diss elders like that, and some people have even been calling for ki to get kicked out of the national team.
Found it. http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=771010&page=2
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On July 06 2013 14:04 WillyWanker wrote:Anyway, PSG has always been a club with stars, and not the worst: Ronaldinho, Weah, Ginola, etc... The won a European Cup BEFORE being bought, and they've always been the center of the attention of french medias even when they were competing to stay in the first league. So it's not a lesser club by any mean. France is an average league, but even the top 3 teams in the world would have trouble going more than 85 points playing in this league since our teams only play defensive... So it's not the most attractive league in the world, but saying it's shit is faaaar from the truth. Every year several english teams buy large amount of french players... PSG also controls one of the major football broadcaster to come (Bein TV, Qatar based) and France is in the middle (geographically speaking) of the 4 other major championships, which isn't the case of Russia, Turkey, etc... So there is a good potential to grow a bigger league with, for now, 2 big teams and 2-3 not so bad teams (Marseille, Lyon, Lillle), with new stadiums arriving soon. The only bad thing is what I mentionned before: the lack of football history, culture and passion. The two first can get better over the time, but the last one I don't know how to do anything about that Concerning European cups, I believe PSG has more opportunities than Chelsea to play it, and go far: less competition in the local league means less efforts. Sure it means being less used to big games, but this year PSG proved they could do it (and without a big rival like Monaco in the league). Additionally, PSG can probably secure a CL's spot every year, which is not Chelsea's case. So what are Chelsea's advantages for Cavani? Playing under Mourinho (and I'm not sure it's every player's dream), facing Man.U/Arsenal/MCity regularly, but that's it. Being in London? Paris is at least as good for life, for the wife, etc...
- Epic fanbase in England, providing second-to-none atmosphere during matches.
- Team with a sponsor already committed to it for a long time and proven financially stable in football business.
- Increasing more his private marketing reputation, compared to situation where he would join PSG.
As for France, remember that Olympique Lyon, despite great domestic dominance for about 7 years, only once reached CL semifinal where they got schooled by Bayern. They had great patience and spell of financial stability plus well established, experienced team and still failed to win any European trophy.
Overall, French teams don't win much in general. I checked it and it's shocking: in the whole history of European Champions Cup, UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup, French teams won only twice! OM one Champions League and PSG one Cup Winners Cup. Of course that's just statistics, but it really shows how Ligue 1 is more like a goldmine of talented players for export, not a home of title-aspiring teams. And I'm quite sure that for a guy who's already a millionaire, few thousands lesser rise on wages ain't that much of a concern. If Mourinho really wants him in his gameplan might be a concern, but that's another story.
BTW, nonsense of the week: some Italian media claims PSG is ready to exchange Ibrahimovic and extra 40 millions Euro for Cavani. Source. Yup, I can image all Napoli fans clearing their bank accounts just to raise money for Ibra's wage.
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Only your first point made sense, as I already mentionned that part (culture, passion, etc...). But the 2 others are just meh. I don't think any player dream about playing for Chelsea. For everybody but the Chelsea supporters, this club is still Roman's toy and the perfect example of unstability in football. Sure they are getting more stable financially speaking, but that's after how many years? Give PSG some time to do the same!
Lyon wasn't in the situation PSG is in now. They didn't have the same amount of money PSG has now. They were doing great because of how their president structured the club, but it took at least 10 years to arrive there and, again, they really didn't have that much money.
And I doubt PSG will be paying more for Cavani's wages than what Chelsea would have done... Please, don't make PSG look like they are the rich ones and Chelsea the poor ones here. These are 2 fucking rich teams.
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For PSG to get financially stable the whole league needs to grow in appeal though. I take the wait and see approach, but at the moment there isn't much going for the French league. There is simply no comparison to the EPL, to put things into perspective: The Football League Championship generates higher viewer numbers than the French ligue.
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Serbian midfielder Dejan Stankovic has left Inter Milan after the final year of his contract was cancelled by mutual consent
Seattle Sounders striker Fredy Montero is hoping to secure a move to Portuguese side Sporting Lisbon.
Sky Sports reported yesterday that Watford were closing in on eight signings and one of those - Marco Davide Faraoni - has agreed to move to Vicarage Road
Newcastle midfielder Yohan Cabaye is not the only target for Paris St Germain, according to L'Equipe. The paper reports that the French champions have several options to strengthen their midfield, including Roma duo Marquinhos and Daniele de Rossi.
Julio Cesar has been tipped to leave Queens Park Rangers following the club's relegation from the Premier League and the Gazzetta dello Sport reports the Brazilian could be an option for Napoli, if the Serie A side lose Morgan de Sanctis to Roma. Cesar has also been linked with a move to Arsenal.
A further update on the future of Jozy Altidore as AZ Alkmaar confirm a fee has been agreed with Sunderland for the striker
Celtic midfielder Joe Ledley has tipped Victor Wanyama to be a huge success if he moves to the Premier League. Southampton and Cardiff City have been linked with Wanyama
Bayern Munich have warned that they won't lower their asking price for Mario Gomez, who is wanted by Fiorentina. Gomez has reportedly agreed personal terms with Fiorentina, but the Viola are struggling to meet a fee of €20million
A goalkeeper is rumoured to be one of Arsene Wenger's priorities this summer and reports in Italy recently claimed Arsenal had made an enquiry for Lazio No.1 Federico Marchetti
Chelsea have been linked with a £5million bid for Norwich City goalkeeperJohn Ruddy and Sky Sports understands the two clubs are in advanced talks after several offers were made.
BETTING SUSPENDED on Edinson Cavani's next club. PSG were the last 1/3 favourites to sign him before the market closed.
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Can't wait to hear about all the people supporting "Sutherland" here : D
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Heh, not that long ago, there was betting suspended for Suarez's move from Liverpool to Arsenal...
@WillyWanker - As far as I know, after terrible failure with Shevchenko transfer, Abramovich really stopped interfering with team management matters. Dunno how it was with managers after Mourinho's departure, but now when Mou is back, their agreement of 'doing only what each of them does the best' will come back into play. Instability? Okay, Ten managers in ten years, but half of them were temporary replacements for few months (Grant and Di Matteo included, though their spells were extended thanks to good results). To me, the boss carousel in Chelsea doesn't seem to be going that fast.
As for PSG, there are constant rumours that it's been overtaken only to ensure France's political support in 2022 World Cup application Qatar made (and got it accepted). If true, the difference is enormous: Roman invests because he wants to - Qatari business will most likely invest only as long as they need it to recieve their own part of a deal.
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Qatar invests in PSG as a part of a global image strategy. They are not going to withdraw in the next 10 years. Very different from a wealthy individual who might lose interst, die, get sent to jail etc.
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