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South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player.
+ Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law."
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/south-american-football-referee-beheaded-fans-killing-player-084120459.html
This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S
Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on?
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On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on?
And the Olympics...
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2013 00:13 Steveling wrote:Damn.
Beautiful.
I really hope Cavani plays with Ibra and Rooney goes to Barca, those would be pretty sweet xfers. I like how defensive minded Cavani is and i think Rooney is versatile and humble enough to play well w Barcelona.
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Rooney humble? Barca should buy defensive reinforcements first anyway.
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On July 06 2013 08:50 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 05:11 sc4k wrote:On July 06 2013 04:34 RvB wrote:
I don't see the problem. Chelsea was no top team when Abramovic bought them and he made it one with the momey he pumped in. The French league is taking the same route with PSG and Monaco being the big stimuli. THe problem is obviously the quality of league they are being brought to. Great players being taken away from the chance to see top competition in order to compstomp low level teams. It's just upsetting from the point of view of any reasonable football fan to see great players hived away, only to play in really competitive matches once in a blue moon or in the CL. In the PL or to a lesser extent la liga/ the bundesliga, you get to see regular performance against top competition. Maybe with those players going there and the league getting more exposure through its top clubs performing well internationaly the league can grow aswell.. or how do you suggest other leagues get competitive ? it does seem hypocritical to suggest that your "concerned" for football players when these players go to smaller markets, Chelsea has been a revolving door for talents in the past decade after all. What about them ? Dont feel bad for them ?
I don't see what you are talking about in your second paragraph. I said it's bad from the football fans' perspective not specifically for the footballer. You miss out on seeing the great talents of this age playing against top quality teams.
I take your point that their arrival MAY increase the overall standard of the whole league, but I find it extremely difficult to believe. Unless 4 or 5 more billionaires arrive and beef the league up more.
And by the way, if I had the choice to get rid of billionaires and their direct influence on football clubs, I would in a heartbeat. I went off supporting Chelsea for a while after Roman arrived. I didn't like the big money. So you aren't going to find me defending Chelsea there.
Fact remains, and anyone who disagrees is being obstinate, that the French league and the Russian league feature less quality football and therefore these top players are being taken away in the primes of their careers to play matches where the majority of them will be against sub par competition. I take the point about the Champions League but that is scant compensation imo. Falcao or Ibrahimovic or Moutinho in the Prem would just be better for all football spectators, with the exception of those based in France.
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Yeah but what does your point lead us to?
Always having liga/pl/seria as the top leagues switching places between them?
Why shouldn't the russians or the french or the dutch aspire to be the best in lets say 20 years.
Do you love your queen sc4k?
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Yeah! Send some billionaires our way too, would be nice to have the great Dutch clubs of the past back atleast. Big money made them a shadow of their former glory, perhaps money can restore them too.
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On July 07 2013 03:42 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 08:50 Rebs wrote:On July 06 2013 05:11 sc4k wrote:On July 06 2013 04:34 RvB wrote:
I don't see the problem. Chelsea was no top team when Abramovic bought them and he made it one with the momey he pumped in. The French league is taking the same route with PSG and Monaco being the big stimuli. THe problem is obviously the quality of league they are being brought to. Great players being taken away from the chance to see top competition in order to compstomp low level teams. It's just upsetting from the point of view of any reasonable football fan to see great players hived away, only to play in really competitive matches once in a blue moon or in the CL. In the PL or to a lesser extent la liga/ the bundesliga, you get to see regular performance against top competition. Maybe with those players going there and the league getting more exposure through its top clubs performing well internationaly the league can grow aswell.. or how do you suggest other leagues get competitive ? it does seem hypocritical to suggest that your "concerned" for football players when these players go to smaller markets, Chelsea has been a revolving door for talents in the past decade after all. What about them ? Dont feel bad for them ? I don't see what you are talking about in your second paragraph. I said it's bad from the football fans' perspective not specifically for the footballer. You miss out on seeing the great talents of this age playing against top quality teams. I take your point that their arrival MAY increase the overall standard of the whole league, but I find it extremely difficult to believe. Unless 4 or 5 more billionaires arrive and beef the league up more. And by the way, if I had the choice to get rid of billionaires and their direct influence on football clubs, I would in a heartbeat. I went off supporting Chelsea for a while after Roman arrived. I didn't like the big money. So you aren't going to find me defending Chelsea there. Fact remains, and anyone who disagrees is being obstinate, that the French league and the Russian league feature less quality football and therefore these top players are being taken away in the primes of their careers to play matches where the majority of them will be against sub par competition. I take the point about the Champions League but that is scant compensation imo. Falcao or Ibrahimovic or Moutinho in the Prem would just be better for all football spectators, with the exception of those based in France.
That's the part where you are wrong in my opinion. There are not THAT many people that follow EPL outside the UK. EPL is the most watched league in the world for sure but not by a huge margin. I don't know anyone in Germany who actively follows the PL and I had this exact same topic with an italian some time ago and he said the same for italians. I'm pretty sure that's also the case for most fans in Spain, France, Mexico, Brasil, Russia, Greece, Turkey etc.
There might be more interest towards PL from fans in Japan, Korea, USA, maybe Poland or Netherland etc.
But it is definitively not a that overwhelming amount of spectators that you can talk about that are taken these talents away from.
Competition this and that but that doesn't automatically mean that there is more fans interest. So who are we to decide which fans and what league "deserves" these awesome players more?
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On July 07 2013 03:45 Steveling wrote:
Yeah but what does your point lead us to?
Always having liga/pl/seria as the top leagues switching places between them?
Why shouldn't the russians or the french or the dutch aspire to be the best in lets say 20 years.
Nothing wrong with aspiration Steveling. But this situation of poaching the top talent will, categorically, deprive current football fans of the chance to watch the best players competing in the top tier of leagues. It is at least sad to say that we are experiencing this 'transition' stage. It's quite embarrassing for football really. The one thing you can say about the American sports is that you know which god damned league to watch!!! CL is great but does not happen regularly enough.
On July 07 2013 03:45 Steveling wrote:
Do you love your queen sc4k?
Now come sir, let's not bring Her Royal Highness into this.
On July 07 2013 05:47 Influ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 03:42 sc4k wrote:On July 06 2013 08:50 Rebs wrote:On July 06 2013 05:11 sc4k wrote:On July 06 2013 04:34 RvB wrote:
I don't see the problem. Chelsea was no top team when Abramovic bought them and he made it one with the momey he pumped in. The French league is taking the same route with PSG and Monaco being the big stimuli. THe problem is obviously the quality of league they are being brought to. Great players being taken away from the chance to see top competition in order to compstomp low level teams. It's just upsetting from the point of view of any reasonable football fan to see great players hived away, only to play in really competitive matches once in a blue moon or in the CL. In the PL or to a lesser extent la liga/ the bundesliga, you get to see regular performance against top competition. Maybe with those players going there and the league getting more exposure through its top clubs performing well internationaly the league can grow aswell.. or how do you suggest other leagues get competitive ? it does seem hypocritical to suggest that your "concerned" for football players when these players go to smaller markets, Chelsea has been a revolving door for talents in the past decade after all. What about them ? Dont feel bad for them ? I don't see what you are talking about in your second paragraph. I said it's bad from the football fans' perspective not specifically for the footballer. You miss out on seeing the great talents of this age playing against top quality teams. I take your point that their arrival MAY increase the overall standard of the whole league, but I find it extremely difficult to believe. Unless 4 or 5 more billionaires arrive and beef the league up more. And by the way, if I had the choice to get rid of billionaires and their direct influence on football clubs, I would in a heartbeat. I went off supporting Chelsea for a while after Roman arrived. I didn't like the big money. So you aren't going to find me defending Chelsea there. Fact remains, and anyone who disagrees is being obstinate, that the French league and the Russian league feature less quality football and therefore these top players are being taken away in the primes of their careers to play matches where the majority of them will be against sub par competition. I take the point about the Champions League but that is scant compensation imo. Falcao or Ibrahimovic or Moutinho in the Prem would just be better for all football spectators, with the exception of those based in France. That's the part where you are wrong in my opinion. There are not THAT many people that follow EPL outside the UK. EPL is the most watched league in the world for sure but not by a huge margin. I don't know anyone in Germany who actively follows the PL and I had this exact same topic with an italian some time ago and he said the same for italians. I'm pretty sure that's also the case for most fans in Spain, France, Mexico, Brasil, Russia, Greece, Turkey etc. There might be more interest towards PL from fans in Japan, Korea, USA, maybe Poland or Netherland etc. But it is definitively not a that overwhelming amount of spectators that you can talk about that are taken these talents away from. Competition this and that but that doesn't automatically mean that there is more fans interest. So who are we to decide which fans and what league "deserves" these awesome players more?
Makes sense I guess, but it's sad because out of all the leagues, the EPL is the one where you are most likely to find a blockbuster quality game every week. Of course I can't speak on this objectively so your opinion is as valuable as mine as is anyone else's who comes from a country with a decent league.
The Portuguese people I know couldn't give two shits about the EPL because they are interested in the portuguese league. So I know what you are on about.
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On July 07 2013 05:47 Influ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 03:42 sc4k wrote:On July 06 2013 08:50 Rebs wrote:On July 06 2013 05:11 sc4k wrote:On July 06 2013 04:34 RvB wrote:
I don't see the problem. Chelsea was no top team when Abramovic bought them and he made it one with the momey he pumped in. The French league is taking the same route with PSG and Monaco being the big stimuli. THe problem is obviously the quality of league they are being brought to. Great players being taken away from the chance to see top competition in order to compstomp low level teams. It's just upsetting from the point of view of any reasonable football fan to see great players hived away, only to play in really competitive matches once in a blue moon or in the CL. In the PL or to a lesser extent la liga/ the bundesliga, you get to see regular performance against top competition. Maybe with those players going there and the league getting more exposure through its top clubs performing well internationaly the league can grow aswell.. or how do you suggest other leagues get competitive ? it does seem hypocritical to suggest that your "concerned" for football players when these players go to smaller markets, Chelsea has been a revolving door for talents in the past decade after all. What about them ? Dont feel bad for them ? I don't see what you are talking about in your second paragraph. I said it's bad from the football fans' perspective not specifically for the footballer. You miss out on seeing the great talents of this age playing against top quality teams. I take your point that their arrival MAY increase the overall standard of the whole league, but I find it extremely difficult to believe. Unless 4 or 5 more billionaires arrive and beef the league up more. And by the way, if I had the choice to get rid of billionaires and their direct influence on football clubs, I would in a heartbeat. I went off supporting Chelsea for a while after Roman arrived. I didn't like the big money. So you aren't going to find me defending Chelsea there. Fact remains, and anyone who disagrees is being obstinate, that the French league and the Russian league feature less quality football and therefore these top players are being taken away in the primes of their careers to play matches where the majority of them will be against sub par competition. I take the point about the Champions League but that is scant compensation imo. Falcao or Ibrahimovic or Moutinho in the Prem would just be better for all football spectators, with the exception of those based in France. That's the part where you are wrong in my opinion. There are not THAT many people that follow EPL outside the UK. EPL is the most watched league in the world for sure but not by a huge margin. I don't know anyone in Germany who actively follows the PL and I had this exact same topic with an italian some time ago and he said the same for italians. I'm pretty sure that's also the case for most fans in Spain, France, Mexico, Brasil, Russia, Greece, Turkey etc. There might be more interest towards PL from fans in Japan, Korea, USA, maybe Poland or Netherland etc. But it is definitively not a that overwhelming amount of spectators that you can talk about that are taken these talents away from.Competition this and that but that doesn't automatically mean that there is more fans interest. So who are we to decide which fans and what league "deserves" these awesome players more?
Problem with what your saying is that the majority of the watching world doesnt live in the countries you mentioned. And that majority watches the EPL almost exlusively..
football spectator wise in the last decade or so has absolutely exploded ..
Youve got a billion people in east and continental asia alone who primarily because of better marketing) and English being a more universal language have more access and hence interest towards the PL.
Your very mistaken if you think the PL is not twice if not more as popular as la liga which would come in at a very distant second.
Which is somewhat of a shame but whatever kudos to them. That doesnt mean the PL deserves better players, thats bs, no one is going to watch those other leagues if top players keep going to the Pl but there is no doubt the exposure those players would receive to the rest of the world would be significantly limited.
And thats not necessarily a bad thing..
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On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on?
Things like that don't just "happen." Those people obviously had more underlying mental health issues.
Though what does it say about the state of things in that particular place if the referee felt the need to be carrying a knife in the first place?
On July 07 2013 06:17 sc4k wrote:
That's the part where you are wrong in my opinion. There are not THAT many people that follow EPL outside the UK. EPL is the most watched league in the world for sure but not by a huge margin. I don't know anyone in Germany who actively follows the PL and I had this exact same topic with an italian some time ago and he said the same for italians. I'm pretty sure that's also the case for most fans in Spain, France, Mexico, Brasil, Russia, Greece, Turkey etc.
There might be more interest towards PL from fans in Japan, Korea, USA, maybe Poland or Netherland etc.
But it is definitively not a that overwhelming amount of spectators that you can talk about that are taken these talents away from.
Competition this and that but that doesn't automatically mean that there is more fans interest. So who are we to decide which fans and what league "deserves" these awesome players more?
Makes sense I guess, but it's sad because out of all the leagues, the EPL is the one where you are most likely to find a blockbuster quality game every week. Of course I can't speak on this objectively so your opinion is as valuable as mine as is anyone else's who comes from a country with a decent league.
The Portuguese people I know couldn't give two shits about the EPL because they are interested in the portuguese league. So I know what you are on about.
It's not just the ratings, but the exposure. Here in the USA we get every EPL game televised live. We get a handful of La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue 1 games every week on one channel, beIN Sport, which barely anyone subscribes to. The Bundesliga isn't even televised here at all.
So pretty much the only time I and most other people here get to see clubs outside of England play (besides dealing with streams, which sometimes aren't even in a language people can understand) is the Champions League/Europa League. And those come on at 2:45pm on weekdays (and that's just here in the Eastern time zone, it's even earlier for the parts of western NA). Not exactly prime time TV.
And regarding the whole "top players should be in top tier leagues" discussion, why is no one blaming the players themselves? Ultimately Cavani decides where we wants to go. He has the sign the contract. He could stay in the stronger Serie A, or go to the EPL, or whatever, but it's him that chooses to go to Ligue 1 (if he does), not these billionaires.
And like someone else said, how are those leagues supposed to get better if they don't get any top players?
I guess Yaya Sanogo was fine after his injury the other day, because he played the whole match in the quarterfinals against Uzbekistan, and scored again as France won 4-0. He has 4 goals and an assist in 5 games, exciting stuff! :D
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On July 07 2013 01:12 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on? And the Olympics...
You are overreacting. This event is isolated and nothing like it has happened since I started watching football(more than 10 years ago).
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On July 07 2013 08:13 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 01:12 Ysellian wrote:On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on? And the Olympics... You are overreacting. This event is isolated and nothing like it has happened since I started watching football(more than 10 years ago).
Meh, my boss canceled my transfer to Brazil because of this incident and to be perfectly honest I'm pretty happy about that. You are talking about someone being divided in four, beheaded and his head put on a stake. That is not a country I would want to set foot in.
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On July 07 2013 08:28 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:13 dmnum wrote:On July 07 2013 01:12 Ysellian wrote:On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on? And the Olympics... You are overreacting. This event is isolated and nothing like it has happened since I started watching football(more than 10 years ago). Meh, my boss canceled my transfer to Brazil because of this incident and to be perfectly honest I'm pretty happy about that. You are talking about someone being divided in four, beheaded and his head put on a stake. That is not a country I would want to set foot in.
By your standards Netherlands is a terrible country, considering directors get murdered and teenagers kill themselves because they're being bullied at school.
It was an amateur match, with probably less than 15 spectators, with everyone probably being a relative or close friend of the player(s). It's a tragedy and I feel for the families of those involved, but stop pretending like this is a normal occurrence here.
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i hope cavani signs with PSG so that Chelsea can focus on Lewandowski :3
i really want to see him on Chelsea because oscar+hazard+mata plus lewandowski = godlike.
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On July 07 2013 08:38 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:28 Ysellian wrote:On July 07 2013 08:13 dmnum wrote:On July 07 2013 01:12 Ysellian wrote:On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." o This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on? And the Olympics... You are overreacting. This event is isolated and nothing like it has happened since I started watching football(more than 10 years ago). Meh, my boss canceled my transfer to Brazil because of this incident and to be perfectly honest I'm pretty happy about that. You are talking about someone being divided in four, beheaded and his head put on a stake. That is not a country I would want to set foot in. By your standards Netherlands is a terrible country, considering directors get murdered and teenagers kill themselves because they're being bullied at school. It was an amateur match, with probably less than 15 spectators, with everyone probably being a relative or close friend of the player(s). It's a tragedy and I feel for the families of those involved, but stop pretending like this is a normal occurrence here.
Because someone being cut in four pieces, have his head put on stake is comparable to someone being shot or bullied? Murders are cruel and horrible and happen in every country unfortunately. These acts are medieval and shock me to the core. What the fuck are you even comparing this to the Netherlands. Besides googling about the incident have shown me plenty of google images about dismemberment unrelated to this case so not much of an isolated incident.
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On July 07 2013 08:45 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:38 dmnum wrote:On July 07 2013 08:28 Ysellian wrote:On July 07 2013 08:13 dmnum wrote:On July 07 2013 01:12 Ysellian wrote:On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." o This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on? And the Olympics... You are overreacting. This event is isolated and nothing like it has happened since I started watching football(more than 10 years ago). Meh, my boss canceled my transfer to Brazil because of this incident and to be perfectly honest I'm pretty happy about that. You are talking about someone being divided in four, beheaded and his head put on a stake. That is not a country I would want to set foot in. By your standards Netherlands is a terrible country, considering directors get murdered and teenagers kill themselves because they're being bullied at school. It was an amateur match, with probably less than 15 spectators, with everyone probably being a relative or close friend of the player(s). It's a tragedy and I feel for the families of those involved, but stop pretending like this is a normal occurrence here. Because someone being cut in four pieces, have his head put on stake is comparable to someone being shot or bullied? Murders are cruel and horrible and happen in every country unfortunately. These acts are medieval and shock me to the core. What the fuck are you even comparing this to the Netherlands. Besides googling about the incident have shown me plenty of google images about dismemberment unrelated to this case so not much of an isolated incident.
I would argue that dismembering a murderer is "less worse" than bullying an innocent boy until he commits suicide simply because of his sexual opinion. Both are very horrible but atleast one has a semblance of motivation.
Besides, you completely misunderstood the point of my post. I do not think Netherlands is a bad place to live in(it ranks high on the list of countries I would like to live in for a while). But your reluctance to live here based on the fact that you are afraid of getting murdered and dismembered is akin to those who do not fly because they are afraid their plane is going to crash but drive everyday to work.
That being said, if you think violence rates are high here compared to your country, you are correct. But it is not going to be a major unavoidable factor in your life unless you live in a slum.
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On July 07 2013 09:17 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:45 Ysellian wrote:On July 07 2013 08:38 dmnum wrote:On July 07 2013 08:28 Ysellian wrote:On July 07 2013 08:13 dmnum wrote:On July 07 2013 01:12 Ysellian wrote:On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." o This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on? And the Olympics... You are overreacting. This event is isolated and nothing like it has happened since I started watching football(more than 10 years ago). Meh, my boss canceled my transfer to Brazil because of this incident and to be perfectly honest I'm pretty happy about that. You are talking about someone being divided in four, beheaded and his head put on a stake. That is not a country I would want to set foot in. By your standards Netherlands is a terrible country, considering directors get murdered and teenagers kill themselves because they're being bullied at school. It was an amateur match, with probably less than 15 spectators, with everyone probably being a relative or close friend of the player(s). It's a tragedy and I feel for the families of those involved, but stop pretending like this is a normal occurrence here. Because someone being cut in four pieces, have his head put on stake is comparable to someone being shot or bullied? Murders are cruel and horrible and happen in every country unfortunately. These acts are medieval and shock me to the core. What the fuck are you even comparing this to the Netherlands. Besides googling about the incident have shown me plenty of google images about dismemberment unrelated to this case so not much of an isolated incident. I would argue that dismembering a murderer is "less worse" than bullying an innocent boy until he commits suicide simply because of his sexual opinion. Both are very horrible but atleast one has a semblance of motivation. Besides, you completely misunderstood the point of my post. I do not think Netherlands is a bad place to live in(it ranks high on the list of countries I would like to live in for a while). But your reluctance to live here based on the fact that you are afraid of getting murdered and dismembered is akin to those who do not fly because they are afraid their plane is going to crash but drive everyday to work. That being said, if you think violence rates are high here compared to your country, you are correct. But it is not going to be a major unavoidable factor in your life unless you live in a slum.
Please football guys or take it to PM!
Brazil is no match for NL in football though! Remember our last match!
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On July 07 2013 07:52 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on? Things like that don't just "happen." Those people obviously had more underlying mental health issues. Though what does it say about the state of things in that particular place if the referee felt the need to be carrying a knife in the first place? Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 06:17 sc4k wrote:
That's the part where you are wrong in my opinion. There are not THAT many people that follow EPL outside the UK. EPL is the most watched league in the world for sure but not by a huge margin. I don't know anyone in Germany who actively follows the PL and I had this exact same topic with an italian some time ago and he said the same for italians. I'm pretty sure that's also the case for most fans in Spain, France, Mexico, Brasil, Russia, Greece, Turkey etc.
There might be more interest towards PL from fans in Japan, Korea, USA, maybe Poland or Netherland etc.
But it is definitively not a that overwhelming amount of spectators that you can talk about that are taken these talents away from.
Competition this and that but that doesn't automatically mean that there is more fans interest. So who are we to decide which fans and what league "deserves" these awesome players more?
Makes sense I guess, but it's sad because out of all the leagues, the EPL is the one where you are most likely to find a blockbuster quality game every week. Of course I can't speak on this objectively so your opinion is as valuable as mine as is anyone else's who comes from a country with a decent league.
The Portuguese people I know couldn't give two shits about the EPL because they are interested in the portuguese league. So I know what you are on about. It's not just the ratings, but the exposure. Here in the USA we get every EPL game televised live. We get a handful of La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue 1 games every week on one channel, beIN Sport, which barely anyone subscribes to. The Bundesliga isn't even televised here at all.
bein and GOL plays Bundesliga, but the commentary is god aweful. Which it is for really anything in English not Sky in my opinion..
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On July 07 2013 09:30 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 07:52 Ferrose wrote:On July 07 2013 01:05 UdderChaos wrote:South American Football - Referee beheaded by fans for killing player
There were absolutely horrific scenes at an amateur football match in Brazil when spectators lynched a referee and put his head on a stake after he had killed a player. + Show Spoiler +The barely believable incident happened in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday.
According to reports in Brazil, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva (20) fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu (30) during a heated moment of a match.
Santos Abreu is believed to have argued and then struck the referee after being unhappy with a decision.
It is believed the referee was carrying a knife throughout the match and fatally stabbed the player in retaliation.
Santos Abreu was rushed to hospital but died from injuries on the way.
Outraged by the incident, some spectators then apparently decided to inflict a gruesome revenge on the referee.
According to reports, the referee was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.
One man, Luiz Moraes de Souza, 27, has been arrested over the incident. He has admitted to assaulting the referee but denied killing the man. Police are searching for two more suspects.
They are currently viewing video footage of the incident filmed by a witness with a mobile phone.
In a statement, the regional delegate of Santa Ines, Valter Costa, who is looking after the case, said: "One crime never justifies another crime. Actions likes this do not collaborate with the legality of state law." This is horrific! didn't know brazil was that violent outside of gang activities :S Is this country really ready to host the world cup if this sort of thing goes on? Things like that don't just "happen." Those people obviously had more underlying mental health issues. Though what does it say about the state of things in that particular place if the referee felt the need to be carrying a knife in the first place? On July 07 2013 06:17 sc4k wrote:
That's the part where you are wrong in my opinion. There are not THAT many people that follow EPL outside the UK. EPL is the most watched league in the world for sure but not by a huge margin. I don't know anyone in Germany who actively follows the PL and I had this exact same topic with an italian some time ago and he said the same for italians. I'm pretty sure that's also the case for most fans in Spain, France, Mexico, Brasil, Russia, Greece, Turkey etc.
There might be more interest towards PL from fans in Japan, Korea, USA, maybe Poland or Netherland etc.
But it is definitively not a that overwhelming amount of spectators that you can talk about that are taken these talents away from.
Competition this and that but that doesn't automatically mean that there is more fans interest. So who are we to decide which fans and what league "deserves" these awesome players more?
Makes sense I guess, but it's sad because out of all the leagues, the EPL is the one where you are most likely to find a blockbuster quality game every week. Of course I can't speak on this objectively so your opinion is as valuable as mine as is anyone else's who comes from a country with a decent league.
The Portuguese people I know couldn't give two shits about the EPL because they are interested in the portuguese league. So I know what you are on about. It's not just the ratings, but the exposure. Here in the USA we get every EPL game televised live. We get a handful of La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue 1 games every week on one channel, beIN Sport, which barely anyone subscribes to. The Bundesliga isn't even televised here at all. bein and GOL plays Bundesliga, but the commentary is god aweful. Which it is for really anything in English not Sky in my opinion..
Really? I have not seen any Bundesliga on beIN in the States. And I don't think any providers carry GOL ._.
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