EPT2013 - 2014 Football Thread - Page 17
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:23 Stratos_speAr wrote: Yes, unremarkable teams. Jordan made those teams, and those players wouldn't even be household names without him there. And are you fucking serious? Football has been a global sport for a long time. Guess who made basketball popular outside the U.S.? Jordan. Guess who paved the way for the American icon athlete like no other with his sponsorship deals and huge amount of public exposure outside the game? Jordan. Guess who revived basketball inside the U.S.? Jordan. Messi gets huge exposure by being in a sport that already has huge exposure. Jordan MADE his sport get huge exposure when it was being dwarfed by baseball and American football, and when it had little popularity outside the states. Im just going to ignore the USA bubble ignorance here, (pun not intended) What does Jordans impact on basketball have to do with the fact that Messi will eventually (if not already) be a bigger name than Jordan is globally ? What are you responding to exactly It has nothing to do with the individuals it has to do with the sport. Im sorry to break this to you but outside some pockets of europe Jordans sport is painfully unpopular everywhere, and this is coming from someone who used to get up at 4 am to watch playoff games as a kid, Im pretty sure i was the only one in the country too.. And while I dont really wish to carry this further, but this seems rather silly BULL FUCKING SHIT.. Pippen Grant, Kerr, Harper, were all just has beens, who Jordan made look good. rightttt.. By that standard you can make the same unremarkable argument for alot of teams that have won championships. So I dont really get where your going it.. you dont hear "Jordan had Pippen" for no reason.. Did you even see those teams play ? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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city42
1656 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:23 Stratos_speAr wrote: Yes, unremarkable teams. Jordan made those teams, and those players wouldn't even be household names without him there. And are you fucking serious? Football has been a global sport for a long time. Guess who made basketball popular outside the U.S.? Jordan. Guess who paved the way for the American icon athlete like no other with his sponsorship deals and huge amount of public exposure outside the game? Jordan. Guess who revived basketball inside the U.S.? Jordan. Messi gets huge exposure by being in a sport that already has huge exposure. Jordan MADE his sport get huge exposure when it was being dwarfed by baseball and American football, and when it had little popularity outside the states. Actually the first Chicago threepeat team was excellent and you have no idea what you're talking about. The second threepeat team was markedly worse, but the league was watered down with expansion. MJ doesn't need know-nothings to enhance his reputation with lies and fantasies. edit: Pandemona put in a hell of an effort in making this thread, so let's keep nonsensical NBA arguments out of it. edit 2: And yes, I have watched every playoff game from the first threepeat. If you think Jordan alone could get past the '92 Knicks, you need therapy. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6209 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
I only remember the beating he took on rm, how was chelsea, porto and inter? | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On July 05 2013 04:59 Twisted wrote: It's always subjective because it is arbitrary. To me Messi is the best and the greatest football player of all time. To the majority of football fans in the world he is the greatest/best of all time. That doesn't mean everyone has to have that opinion. It just depends on what you call 'greatest'. I'm not sure that the majority of fans think he's the greatest. Yes, he's the best, the game is better now than it was in the 60s, but greatness is not only about skill. Here in Brazil Pelé is still considered the greatest(and the best by a large number of people). In Argentina Maradona is a god. Everywhere you go there are statues of him. Messi is certainly the best player, but his carreer is far from over. It is too soon yet to call him the greatest. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
 But he voices a bit that annoys me most about Wenger as well and that is not the transfer policy but rather: ’m frustrated by the wage policy, I’m frustrated large sums of money going on players who give little or no contribution to the first team and I’m frustrated that when a player reaches a value of £25-30m it means they are worth wages that we won’t pay. We should be paying them what they’re worth and the players down the pecking order should not be earning as much. We’ve had this policy of equality across the wage bill and it doesn’t work. On July 05 2013 05:59 Steveling wrote: Those of you who follow mou, how does he do on his first seasons in new teams? I only remember the beating he took on rm, how was chelsea, porto and inter? Mourinho has always had an immediate impact. Be it at Chelsea or the often forgotten Leiria and his spell at Benfica. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18407 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:59 Steveling wrote: Those of you who follow mou, how does he do on his first seasons in new teams? I only remember the beating he took on rm, how was chelsea, porto and inter? Champion, Champion, Champion XD | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:59 Steveling wrote: Those of you who follow mou, how does he do on his first seasons in new teams? I only remember the beating he took on rm, how was chelsea, porto and inter? He got to Porto in January, but managed to have a good performance (took them from 5th to 3rd) then was champion the next year. He was also champion with some ease in his first year at Chelsea and Inter. Instead of this endless apples vs oranges conversation about Messi, how about discussing why Messi is much better than players of his generation (I wouldn't say much better than CR but this is not THAT conversation )? How come a single player is so much better than anyone else given that training quality is very very high for many players and it doesn't seem like Messi is physically genetically gifted (as one could argue about CR). So why is he so much better? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On July 05 2013 06:05 warding wrote: He got to Porto in January, but managed to have a good performance (took them from 5th to 3rd) then was champion the next year. He was also champion with some ease in his first year at Chelsea and Inter. Hmm, gonna be an exciting pl season. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Chelsea has become much more astute in the transfer market in recent years. Even this summer they've already bought two players before any of the other big clubs have done anything. I think there's a clear difference in skill with transfer market dealings between the top English clubs. Man Utd is really hit or miss. Arsenal kinda the same. Chelsea buys mostly youth and usually gets it right. Tottenham have money but always get good bargains. Liverpool kinda bad all around. Man City like playing football manager. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
On July 05 2013 05:35 Steveling wrote: The awkward moment when you realise barca has more shots than other more open playing teams. Implying La Liga isn't a Micky Mouse/Banana competition in which the only serious contenders (non financially crippled teams) are RM and Barca, in which the 'carry Messi' only managed to not lose once against an imploded Real Madrid side. So lets look at the euro stats: They make the top 5 with Real, Bayern and Dortmund better in everything (except possession ofc). About Messi: I can't even count the number of times I heard 'Ronaldinho is the GOAT, OMG Joga Bonito bla bla bla' a few years back Anyway, Barcelona have a great team, but people need to slow down with the GOAT stuff. Look back at all this in a decade or so and then talk | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6209 Posts
On July 05 2013 06:05 warding wrote: He got to Porto in January, but managed to have a good performance (took them from 5th to 3rd) then was champion the next year. He was also champion with some ease in his first year at Chelsea and Inter. Instead of this endless apples vs oranges conversation about Messi, how about discussing why Messi is much better than players of his generation (I wouldn't say much better than CR but this is not THAT conversation )? How come a single player is so much better than anyone else given that training quality is very very high for many players and it doesn't seem like Messi is physically genetically gifted (as one could argue about CR). So why is he so much better?Doesn't every generation just have a few players who are just better than the rest. It's just a hugr amount of talent and an incredible amount of work to develop said talent. I heard CR for example is one of the most hard working players there is. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On July 04 2013 22:54 Pandemona wrote: The press always will hate Roman and Chelsea due to his lack of PR with them. He has never uttered a word to the press in terms of interviews of speaking. They hate that, thus this nice awesome image from the press is created. I think the only time we have ever had good press is when we beat the Germans on penalties in their backyard. No I mean, I think people will always hate them because of the way Roman got his money, and because Chelsea were some 80 million pounds in debt at that time. Sure, they had a good squad that had qualified for the Champions League, but they should have gone into administration... On July 05 2013 06:02 Ysellian wrote: Nice interview of Alan Davies as an Arsenal fan. It's from the sun though But he voices a bit that annoys me most about Wenger as well and that is not the transfer policy but rather: Mourinho has always had an immediate impact. Be it at Chelsea or the often forgotten Leiria and his spell at Benfica. The "socialist wage structure" or whatever they call it, is indeed terrible, but I believe it's a thing of the past now. Those guys will be gone in a few years and if these first few days of the transfer window are any indication, Wenger is going to stop settling for average players. On July 05 2013 05:02 Pandemona wrote: Higuain has signed for Arsenal dude xD 3 year contract I hate this transfer crap. We've been hearing about Higuain to Arsenal for over a month now. When it finally happens, it's not going to be news anymore, it's going to be like a feeling of release, as if I have just been relieved of a bunch of stress... | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 05 2013 06:10 Zeo wrote: Implying La Liga isn't a Micky Mouse/Banana competition in which the only serious contenders (non financially crippled teams) are RM and Barca, in which the 'carry Messi' only managed to not lose once against an imploded Real Madrid side. So lets look at the euro stats: They make the top 5 with Real, Bayern and Dortmund better in everything (except possession ofc). About Messi: I can't even count the number of times I heard 'Ronaldinho is the GOAT, OMG Joga Bonito bla bla bla' a few years back Anyway, Barcelona have a great team, but people need to slow down with the GOAT stuff. Look back at all this in a decade or so and then talk Granted teams are in financial hell I dont get where people get off calling it a Mickey Mouse league when the lower level teams do really well in Europe consistently.. Also no one talked about Ronaldhino like that, well no reasonable person and not on this planet.. that having been said Messi is not GOAT, you dont get that title when your still active.. Best player.. probably.. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On July 05 2013 06:52 USvBleakill wrote: "xy is the best player in the wourld" is just stupid in any sport. That's why we got the Ballon d'Or thingie, where two big guys of each country vote for it. And Messi won the last 4 in a row lol. If anyone thinks it's all about merchandising and he didn't deserve it, whatever. I actually thought one had to be for Xavi. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On July 05 2013 06:10 Zeo wrote: Implying La Liga isn't a Micky Mouse/Banana competition in which the only serious contenders (non financially crippled teams) are RM and Barca, in which the 'carry Messi' only managed to not lose once against an imploded Real Madrid side. So lets look at the euro stats: They make the top 5 with Real, Bayern and Dortmund better in everything (except possession ofc). About Messi: I can't even count the number of times I heard 'Ronaldinho is the GOAT, OMG Joga Bonito bla bla bla' a few years back Anyway, Barcelona have a great team, but people need to slow down with the GOAT stuff. Look back at all this in a decade or so and then talk Do I need to quote my post with the pros/managers opinions about messi again? It's a couple pages back.  | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On July 05 2013 07:02 Salteador Neo wrote: That's why we got the Ballon d'Or thingie, where two big guys of each country vote for it. And Messi won the last 4 in a row lol. If anyone thinks it's all about merchandising and he didn't deserve it, whatever. I actually thought one had to be for Xavi. I think the only year you can really make an argument for someone else is 2010, for Wesley Sneijder. | ||
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