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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-27 14:15:10
July 27 2014 14:11 GMT
#1741
Lol, Alonso with no tyres managed to hold off Hamilton for so long, GG... Rosberg had a great run at the end. 1 more lap and he was going to take 2nd place.
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
July 27 2014 14:16 GMT
#1742
Another great race!
Whats the altitude?
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
July 27 2014 14:18 GMT
#1743
I understand that Rosberg would have had a better race, scored more points for the team and had a shot at winning of if Hamilton let him past. However I don't think anyone could argue Mercedes aren't going to win the constructors championship this year and the driver’s championship is strictly between Hamilton and Rosberg so I don’t see any logical reason why Hamilton should have let him through.

If it was the first race of the season then obviously He should have been let through to maximise points for the team. But the way this season has turned out I just don’t think anyone could reasonably expect Hamilton to let his only Championship rival passed him without a fight.

I wasn’t impressed with SKY making up excuses and saying things like ‘Rosbergs not fast enough’ or ‘Hamilton would lose to much time’. Just say the truth he’s not going to let him through because Rosberg is his main championship rival.

Anyway again great racing, fights everywhere and great for Ricardo to win again. He seems like such a nice guy.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13386 Posts
July 27 2014 14:24 GMT
#1744
Yeah would've been nuts for Hamilton to let Nico through.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-27 14:37:08
July 27 2014 14:35 GMT
#1745
I disagree. From a team perspective, forcing Hamilton to let Nico past would have resulted in an easy 1/2-4 for Mercedes instead of the 3-4 that they ultimately attained. I'd lean on the side of 1-4 since Nico exited the pits and lost over 5 seconds in traffic and you have to add that to the amount of time that he lost in the dirty air of Hamilton, whom he was catching at ~0.5 seconds per lap before the dirty air (and being in the dirty air increases tyre wear so the next stint must be longer and therefore on average slower); Ricciardo only won by 5 seconds and Nico showed that, despite his suboptimal strategy albeit with newer tyres, he was easily the quickest car/driver on the circuit.

From Hamilton's perspective, of course not. Finishing ahead of his WDC rival is necessarily better than behind.

However, since Hamilton drives for the team, I think he should have obeyed the team orders and let Nico through.

Let's not forget the 2013 Malaysian Grand Prix, in which Hamilton used too much fuel and Nico, despite having ample pace and fuel to pass Hamilton, maintained his position behind Hamilton.
☺
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
July 27 2014 14:52 GMT
#1746
On July 27 2014 23:04 Release wrote:
Considering the fact that Rosberg, Bottas, Vettel, and Alonso were screwed by the safety car, Alonso probably had the best drive of the afternoon. Redbull/Ricciardo chose the best strategy in response to the safety cars so a well-deserved victory for them. Another weak drive from Kimi although several others drove worse.

Redbull chose the only strategy, which was to pit. They just happened to be in the right place with Ricciardo.
The top 4 couldn't pit, and Mclaren did what McLaren do and messed up completely and cost Button probably quite a lot of points.

If McLaren try and get rid of Button at the end of the year, he should probably take whatever offer they give him to leave. Unless between now and next season they hire a strategist.
HOLY CHECK!
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
July 27 2014 14:53 GMT
#1747
On July 27 2014 23:35 Release wrote:
I disagree. From a team perspective, forcing Hamilton to let Nico past would have resulted in an easy 1/2-4 for Mercedes instead of the 3-4 that they ultimately attained. I'd lean on the side of 1-4 since Nico exited the pits and lost over 5 seconds in traffic and you have to add that to the amount of time that he lost in the dirty air of Hamilton, whom he was catching at ~0.5 seconds per lap before the dirty air (and being in the dirty air increases tyre wear so the next stint must be longer and therefore on average slower); Ricciardo only won by 5 seconds and Nico showed that, despite his suboptimal strategy albeit with newer tyres, he was easily the quickest car/driver on the circuit.

From Hamilton's perspective, of course not. Finishing ahead of his WDC rival is necessarily better than behind.

However, since Hamilton drives for the team, I think he should have obeyed the team orders and let Nico through.

Let's not forget the 2013 Malaysian Grand Prix, in which Hamilton used too much fuel and Nico, despite having ample pace and fuel to pass Hamilton, maintained his position behind Hamilton.

I think you have missed the point entirely. I don’t dispute at all and in fact agree with you that it would have been better for the team mathematically if Rosberg had been let passed. That’s not the point. The point is that the Constructors Championship is over and the Drivers championship is not.

The difference with the Malaysian Grand Prix is that the Malaysian Grand Prix is the second Grand prix of the year. So it’s unclear how the championships are going to unfold and of course you should do what’s best for the team that early on in the season. However now that the constructor’s championship is all but mathematically decided it makes no sense for either driver to give away anything to their only Driver’s Championship rival.
Firestorm
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada341 Posts
July 27 2014 19:29 GMT
#1748
On July 27 2014 23:53 Greg_J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 23:35 Release wrote:
I disagree. From a team perspective, forcing Hamilton to let Nico past would have resulted in an easy 1/2-4 for Mercedes instead of the 3-4 that they ultimately attained. I'd lean on the side of 1-4 since Nico exited the pits and lost over 5 seconds in traffic and you have to add that to the amount of time that he lost in the dirty air of Hamilton, whom he was catching at ~0.5 seconds per lap before the dirty air (and being in the dirty air increases tyre wear so the next stint must be longer and therefore on average slower); Ricciardo only won by 5 seconds and Nico showed that, despite his suboptimal strategy albeit with newer tyres, he was easily the quickest car/driver on the circuit.

From Hamilton's perspective, of course not. Finishing ahead of his WDC rival is necessarily better than behind.

However, since Hamilton drives for the team, I think he should have obeyed the team orders and let Nico through.

Let's not forget the 2013 Malaysian Grand Prix, in which Hamilton used too much fuel and Nico, despite having ample pace and fuel to pass Hamilton, maintained his position behind Hamilton.

I think you have missed the point entirely. I don’t dispute at all and in fact agree with you that it would have been better for the team mathematically if Rosberg had been let passed. That’s not the point. The point is that the Constructors Championship is over and the Drivers championship is not.

The difference with the Malaysian Grand Prix is that the Malaysian Grand Prix is the second Grand prix of the year. So it’s unclear how the championships are going to unfold and of course you should do what’s best for the team that early on in the season. However now that the constructor’s championship is all but mathematically decided it makes no sense for either driver to give away anything to their only Driver’s Championship rival.


So since they are so far ahead as a team, they should stop trying to win a race?
"Revenge is sweet... Revenge is a dish best served cold... Revenge is... Ice Cream!"
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-27 21:29:39
July 27 2014 21:08 GMT
#1749
On July 28 2014 04:29 Firestorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 23:53 Greg_J wrote:
On July 27 2014 23:35 Release wrote:
I disagree. From a team perspective, forcing Hamilton to let Nico past would have resulted in an easy 1/2-4 for Mercedes instead of the 3-4 that they ultimately attained. I'd lean on the side of 1-4 since Nico exited the pits and lost over 5 seconds in traffic and you have to add that to the amount of time that he lost in the dirty air of Hamilton, whom he was catching at ~0.5 seconds per lap before the dirty air (and being in the dirty air increases tyre wear so the next stint must be longer and therefore on average slower); Ricciardo only won by 5 seconds and Nico showed that, despite his suboptimal strategy albeit with newer tyres, he was easily the quickest car/driver on the circuit.

From Hamilton's perspective, of course not. Finishing ahead of his WDC rival is necessarily better than behind.

However, since Hamilton drives for the team, I think he should have obeyed the team orders and let Nico through.

Let's not forget the 2013 Malaysian Grand Prix, in which Hamilton used too much fuel and Nico, despite having ample pace and fuel to pass Hamilton, maintained his position behind Hamilton.

I think you have missed the point entirely. I don’t dispute at all and in fact agree with you that it would have been better for the team mathematically if Rosberg had been let passed. That’s not the point. The point is that the Constructors Championship is over and the Drivers championship is not.

The difference with the Malaysian Grand Prix is that the Malaysian Grand Prix is the second Grand prix of the year. So it’s unclear how the championships are going to unfold and of course you should do what’s best for the team that early on in the season. However now that the constructor’s championship is all but mathematically decided it makes no sense for either driver to give away anything to their only Driver’s Championship rival.


So since they are so far ahead as a team, they should stop trying to win a race?

That’s an unnecessarily provocative response and a very weird way of interpreting what I said and the situation. I'm pretty sure Hamilton and Rosberg where both doing everything they could to win the race today as they will at every race. But of course when the World Championship will be won by Rosberg or Hamilton and the Constructors Championship is already decided they aren’t going to be gifting each other points. They will be fighting for every single point they can get.

edit:grammar
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-09 00:47:03
August 09 2014 00:31 GMT
#1750
Rumours circulating that Luca di Montezemolo has left/leaving Ferrari ! :o
Whats the altitude?
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
August 22 2014 23:53 GMT
#1751
so.,.. race weekend!
Liquipedia
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
August 23 2014 00:11 GMT
#1752
On August 23 2014 08:53 Noam wrote:
so.,.. race weekend!

woohoo.
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
August 23 2014 11:23 GMT
#1753


wth?
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
August 23 2014 15:29 GMT
#1754
Just seen qualifiers results and damn, both Mercedes cars 2s ahead of everyone else. Chance for exciting battle between Hamilton and Rosberg tomorrow.
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ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
August 24 2014 12:12 GMT
#1755
Aaww man, Rosberg what a little bitch, slicing Hamilton's tire on the 2nd lap, also losing part of his front wing. What a noob.
A dota player and lol player walk into a bar. The dota player says: "lol sucks". Lol player couldn't deny. http://i.imgur.com/FpLeTf1.gif
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-24 12:25:19
August 24 2014 12:24 GMT
#1756
omg rosberg LOL

the tyre piece that blew off hamiltons car ended up on rosbergs lol
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
August 24 2014 13:31 GMT
#1757
Rosberg one step closer to winning title. Fucked up Mercedes and Hamilton's race in the process.
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
August 24 2014 13:41 GMT
#1758
Missed the start. :O Seems like drama at Mercedes today from what you guys are saying. Nico getting totally boo'd. Yay for Ricciardo! <3 Happy for Botass :D
Graphics@shiroiusagi_ | shiroiusagi.net
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
August 24 2014 15:02 GMT
#1759
Rosberg also being a **** in his interviews.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
August 24 2014 16:53 GMT
#1760




Mercedes about to implode.
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