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baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1103 Posts
October 15 2013 18:40 GMT
#1181
Was reading alot of talk about making F1's wheels bigger (they are currently only 13")... I wonder how much this would effect tyre deg... and if it would stop all the silly punctures we've been getting... I really feel like Lewis's puncture kinda ruined any chance we had of a good fight.

I also think the use of DRS on older tracks that allow for over-taking is kinda silly and I kinda wish they could be used anywhere...
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 19:22:20
October 15 2013 19:20 GMT
#1182
DRS should be removed entirely or reworked entirely.

The only acceptable "gamification" of F1 should be fair and equal to all drivers involved, such as having a limited number of DRS uses when the driver chooses to use them, such as boosts in other motor racing which can be used a limited number of times per race. DRS as-is is a complete pile of crap.

DRS is like a Mario Kart red shell or blue shell. They are fine... in Mario Kart. But F1 isn't MK.

At least it hasn't reached the height of British Touring Car absurdity where for the third race of a race weekend meeting, pole position is literally drawn by lottery.
HOLY CHECK!
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-17 03:36:38
October 17 2013 03:35 GMT
#1183
Without intentionally slowing down the series and screwing with aero again to MAYBE induce action, DRS should stay. In a limited, carefully controlled capacity certainly, but it should stay. They've got a good handle on how strong it is and so it is rare for anyone to blow by effortlessly. The comparison to Mario Kart is baseless. DRS is not random nor is it foolproof. It requires planning from the team in the setup and design of the car and it requires the driver to be close enough to activate AND skilled enough to make it stick.

Track modifications are difficult and time consuming and don't necessarily add an element of driver skill and it's impossible to predict if they will work.

DRS works - creates action and requires driver skill.

Push 2 Harder
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
October 17 2013 04:15 GMT
#1184
DRS needs to be changed. Alonso-hamilton incidents should not occur. And in the case of passing (because the driver in front made a mistake in the previous corner) before DRS detection, it just allows the driver who made the mistake come back.

I think DRS detection should require that a car is behind at multiple DRS detection zones (at different corners/straights). For example at Monza, I say to get DRS, a driver should be within a second at the exit of ascari, before parabolica, and in the middle of parabolica. Otherwise, neither driver should get DRS.
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Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
October 17 2013 17:41 GMT
#1185
What Alonso Hamilton incident do you mean? When Lewis tried to let Alonso through before the DRS activation line?

I don't like DRS myself but I understand why they put it in. I am hopeful that the larger KERS units should help next year. My main gripe with F1 atm though is that the drivers are not pushing because the quickest way is to potter around at 75%. This year at Monaco every driver down to last place set the exact same sector time about 10 laps in the race, that isn't F1, it isn't even motorsport.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 17 2013 18:04 GMT
#1186
monaco has always been like that, theres virtually no room to overtake so you have one long train of cars with similar lap times for the entire race, save for the frontrunners

drs ruined the sport because it doesnt do anything except help faster cars go even faster; it allows cars with naturally faster aero packages take their 'rightful' places with no-skill overtaking, on these exceedingly-lame ass tilke tracks.

drs is only useful when you have two cars of similar speeds and times, unfortunately that is almost never the case in f1 anymore.
starleague forever
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
October 17 2013 19:22 GMT
#1187
Alonso-hamilton canada (straight before the hairpin)
Alonso-hamilton spa (hamilton knew Alonso would get him with DRS so he ran wide on purpose to get DRS; at the end, Alonso was ahead anyways but losing a position intentionally is ridiculous)
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Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
October 18 2013 03:27 GMT
#1188
So Hamiton makes a brilliant tactical decision that requires extreme precision (and by the way, he still has to successfully pass Alonso) = no skill overtake?

DRS is supposed to replicate the effect of the slipstream. In modern F1, the slipstream is not effective due to the incredibly dirty air that shreds your tires and actually slows you down unless you are significantly faster anyway. Grosjean/Webber scenario from last week is a perfect example of this. Webber had DRS and the 'better car' but still had to properly execute a pass on Romain.

"No skill overtaking" is rare and in most of those cases would happen anyway.

Some of the Tilke tracks produce excellent racing - Sepang, Shanghai (with DRS), Korea (in and out of DRS zones), Turkey, and Texas. Abu dhabi is pretty bad and Valencia and Bahrain are atrocious (limitations of the space). Marina Bay (Singapore) has been interesting.
Push 2 Harder
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
October 18 2013 05:45 GMT
#1189
I'm not saying it's a no-skill overtake. It's a great move (by both drivers; one to know he needed DRS, one to know he had enough straight-line speed to beat DRS).

I'm saying the concept of DRS is ridiculous as it is currently implemented.
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4073 Posts
October 18 2013 07:34 GMT
#1190
this is effing chainsaw
Drone is a way of living
zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 09:34:25
October 27 2013 09:32 GMT
#1191
Hope Merc can overtake VET at the start and keep him company during the first stint. Hope.

Here we go!

Edit: Oh, well.

Edit: MASSA!
ModeratorWenn ich einmal traurig bin, dann trink' ich einen Korn. Wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann trink' ich noch 'nen Korn. Und wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann fang' ich an von vorn!
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
October 27 2013 11:08 GMT
#1192
Raikkonen today: + Show Spoiler +


+ Show Spoiler +
Grosjean: Drive of the race
Vettel: Typical
Webber: Unfortunately Typical
Alonso: Underwhelming
Massa: Surprisingly consistent
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loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
October 27 2013 11:16 GMT
#1193
Grosjean's race was amazing. He did 47 laps on one set of tyres and came back from 17th to 3rd. I'm thinking if he was driving one of the redbulls, he'd be very close to vettel in terms of points and speed.
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
October 27 2013 11:20 GMT
#1194
what a fantastic podium. Young, energetic, happy. This is the future of F1.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13386 Posts
October 27 2013 11:32 GMT
#1195
Lolol, poor Webs, so standard.

I hope Riccardo has more luck in the Red Bull #2 seat next year.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
October 27 2013 11:35 GMT
#1196
Question is, how much will Vettel get fined for what he did after the race finished.

My bet is €200k
HOLY CHECK!
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
October 27 2013 11:39 GMT
#1197
On October 27 2013 20:35 Lonyo wrote:
Question is, how much will Vettel get fined for what he did after the race finished.

My bet is €200k

Thats so bullshit, they should make everyone do doughnuts after every race
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
October 27 2013 11:41 GMT
#1198
Expected Vettel to win but good race for Mercedes even if Hamilton got held up behind Massa, 4 points ahead of ferrari and 30 ahead of lotus is good hopefully they can keep it up till the end of the season to be 2nd in the constructors. Also brilliant race by grosjean and he is very lovable always smiling .
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
October 27 2013 12:16 GMT
#1199

Kimi! Get out of the fucking way!
lol, gold, pure gold
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
October 27 2013 12:21 GMT
#1200
On October 27 2013 20:16 loginn wrote:
Grosjean's race was amazing. He did 47 laps on one set of tyres and came back from 17th to 3rd. I'm thinking if he was driving one of the redbulls, he'd be very close to vettel in terms of points and speed.

He has around half the points of Kimi, he wouldn't be anywhere near Vettel in pace or points. Ricciardo can count himself extremely lucky to be in the top team next year when guys like Hulkenberg are struggling to find a decent drive.

Great job and a huge congratulations for Seb though, I feel this season he has been the best driver on the grid and very much deserving of the title. I just hope it is his last
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
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