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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
March 24 2013 10:54 GMT
#401
Can somebody give a recap of what has gone on? Australian coverage ended after the podium? What has been happening?
~
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
March 24 2013 10:57 GMT
#402
Vettel made some crap apology citing hindsight, Mark's having trouble accepting it and has said he's going back to oz for some RnR. 'From there, who knows'
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
March 24 2013 11:02 GMT
#403
I cannot believe how you can say such lies when we all heard the radio and saw what Seb did. Team photo shoot was canceled too, and clearly Webber does not want to be around him.
Graphics@shiroiusagi_ | shiroiusagi.net
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
March 24 2013 11:05 GMT
#404
...and fair play to him. Vettel went too far. I respect a racers' spirit but only if both of them are on the same page and playing by the same rules which they were clearly not
fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
March 24 2013 11:17 GMT
#405
hahaha

Ted is fantastic
This new segment
I like it
(re:Sky F1 coverage)
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 24 2013 11:19 GMT
#406
Seb lying is so pathetic - it's obvious what happened. He just straight up say it; "I wanted to win so I ignored the team".
But also Mark needs to stop crying so much and accept that he's a number 2 driver.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 24 2013 11:21 GMT
#407
On March 24 2013 20:19 Klive5ive wrote:
Seb lying is so pathetic - it's obvious what happened. He just straight up say it; "I wanted to win so I ignored the team".
But also Mark needs to stop crying so much and accept that he's a number 2 driver.


The team turned his engine down, told him he had the win and Vettel wasnt going to challange, I think hes entirely justified to act like he is.
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
March 24 2013 11:32 GMT
#408
On March 24 2013 19:43 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2013 19:37 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Webber against the world again in China? This stuff usually brings out the best in him

I really don't like this poor man's Formula 1. Saving fuel, saving tires, the teams spend a million dollars finding 2 points of downforce and have to drive on paper tires. However I didn't much like the 10 000-mile, no-graining Brigestones either. In fact the last time I liked the tire situation was back in 06.

Maybe we could get refuelling back combined with Pzeros. That could be cool.

Rosberg should have been allowed to pass. I would assume they started on similar fuel load, and if Lewis is so bad at managing that he ends up with fumes and Rosberg right behind him with lots of racing left he does not deserve the podium.


They under fueled both cars apparently and Rosberg also had the fuel problem according to Ross Brawn, the saving tyres isn't really about lack of money its because pitstops take 20 seconds and you cant afford time wise to keep pitting.


I know about the tires of course, but it still bothers me. At least they could have taken Pirellis suggestion to get an extra set for quali. Imagine how the race would be today in the dry.. at least 3 sets (probably 4) for quali (prime, option, option), then 5 sets for race with only two new primes left.. that would have been a mess.
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 24 2013 11:35 GMT
#409
On March 24 2013 20:32 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2013 19:43 Zaros wrote:
On March 24 2013 19:37 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Webber against the world again in China? This stuff usually brings out the best in him

I really don't like this poor man's Formula 1. Saving fuel, saving tires, the teams spend a million dollars finding 2 points of downforce and have to drive on paper tires. However I didn't much like the 10 000-mile, no-graining Brigestones either. In fact the last time I liked the tire situation was back in 06.

Maybe we could get refuelling back combined with Pzeros. That could be cool.

Rosberg should have been allowed to pass. I would assume they started on similar fuel load, and if Lewis is so bad at managing that he ends up with fumes and Rosberg right behind him with lots of racing left he does not deserve the podium.


They under fueled both cars apparently and Rosberg also had the fuel problem according to Ross Brawn, the saving tyres isn't really about lack of money its because pitstops take 20 seconds and you cant afford time wise to keep pitting.


I know about the tires of course, but it still bothers me. At least they could have taken Pirellis suggestion to get an extra set for quali. Imagine how the race would be today in the dry.. at least 3 sets (probably 4) for quali (prime, option, option), then 5 sets for race with only two new primes left.. that would have been a mess.


Yh adding a couple of sets could help, probably something to look at for 2014.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13386 Posts
March 24 2013 12:55 GMT
#410
Vettel's such a dick.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Sok4R
Profile Joined November 2006
Germany124 Posts
March 24 2013 12:56 GMT
#411
On March 24 2013 18:51 Lachrymose wrote:
Webber looks extremely annoyed and says "Multi 21, Seb"? I think?

Presumably he was instructed to go into some kind of car-saving mode and Vettel disobeyed the team and passed him.

On german TV they found out it means "2 stays ahead of 1", with the starting numbers of Vettel (1) and Webber (2) in mind.


On March 24 2013 20:21 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2013 20:19 Klive5ive wrote:
Seb lying is so pathetic - it's obvious what happened. He just straight up say it; "I wanted to win so I ignored the team".
But also Mark needs to stop crying so much and accept that he's a number 2 driver.


The team turned his engine down, told him he had the win and Vettel wasnt going to challange, I think hes entirely justified to act like he is.

That's not possible anymore, otherwise Vettel wouldn't have won. Systems to control car-systems from the pit were banned years ago, the driver has to make the change.
RBR let both drivers race until the last pitstop, then they should stay in position. Both were told to hold position, save tiers and engine. Webber adjusted his settings, Vettel ignored it and went for the win.
But "apologies" were pathetic. Why just don't say "I wanted that win so I went for it" instead of something like he first said on the podium with mistake and he did get the message but didn't ignore it (WTF?). Hamilton was straight forward and I give him credit for that. I'm sorry for Nico, he should have been there and Lewis acknoledged that. Great was also the words after the race between Lauda and Toto Wolf, Lauda clearly said is was wrong in the spirit of the sport and competition while Wolf tried to defend it as much as possible, while admitting that is was wrong.
And I guess Alonso is pretty happy that he isn't the focus of attention after the embarassing decision to not change the front wing. But he payed for that. And he can't say he was out and it was not his fault.
Frag Everything that isn't you
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13386 Posts
March 24 2013 12:59 GMT
#412
On March 24 2013 19:54 Lachrymose wrote:
Can somebody give a recap of what has gone on? Australian coverage ended after the podium? What has been happening?


Red Bull team basically turned down Webber's car and told him and Vettel to cruise home to win.

Then Vettel says fuck it and overtakes.

The competitor in me sees no problem with it, but they turned down Webber's car and Vettel took advantage against team orders to overtake (almost caused an accident too). Hardly a fair race.

Massive, massive dick move.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Syphonix
Profile Joined February 2012
Belgium26 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-24 13:13:11
March 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#413
Now did Vettle do it because he wanted to actually race or because he's an abusive *insert insult*

We'll never knoooooow ಠ_ಠ
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
March 24 2013 13:21 GMT
#414
On March 24 2013 21:59 RowdierBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2013 19:54 Lachrymose wrote:
Can somebody give a recap of what has gone on? Australian coverage ended after the podium? What has been happening?


Red Bull team basically turned down Webber's car and told him and Vettel to cruise home to win.

Then Vettel says fuck it and overtakes.

The competitor in me sees no problem with it, but they turned down Webber's car and Vettel took advantage against team orders to overtake (almost caused an accident too). Hardly a fair race.

Massive, massive dick move.


Like the guy above you said Webber turned down his own car. Still agree its totally a dick move though.
It is what it is
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
March 24 2013 13:28 GMT
#415
Webber switched to "Multi 21" engine mapping just like team asked him to. Vettel ignored teams orders and stayed on more agressive mapping.
oh in the sun sun having fun
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
March 24 2013 13:39 GMT
#416
On March 24 2013 22:12 Syphonix wrote:
Now did Vettle do it because he wanted to actually race or because he's an abusive *insert insult*

We'll never knoooooow ಠ_ಠ


Well, Vettel never goes slower when the team tells him to do so, so I guess he didn't want to start with it now. I'm referring to multiple fastest laps at the end of races after his team told him to slow down.
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
March 24 2013 13:41 GMT
#417
On March 24 2013 21:56 Sok4R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2013 18:51 Lachrymose wrote:
Webber looks extremely annoyed and says "Multi 21, Seb"? I think?

Presumably he was instructed to go into some kind of car-saving mode and Vettel disobeyed the team and passed him.

On german TV they found out it means "2 stays ahead of 1", with the starting numbers of Vettel (1) and Webber (2) in mind.


Show nested quote +
On March 24 2013 20:21 Zaros wrote:
On March 24 2013 20:19 Klive5ive wrote:
Seb lying is so pathetic - it's obvious what happened. He just straight up say it; "I wanted to win so I ignored the team".
But also Mark needs to stop crying so much and accept that he's a number 2 driver.


The team turned his engine down, told him he had the win and Vettel wasnt going to challange, I think hes entirely justified to act like he is.

That's not possible anymore, otherwise Vettel wouldn't have won. Systems to control car-systems from the pit were banned years ago, the driver has to make the change.
RBR let both drivers race until the last pitstop, then they should stay in position. Both were told to hold position, save tiers and engine. Webber adjusted his settings, Vettel ignored it and went for the win.
But "apologies" were pathetic. Why just don't say "I wanted that win so I went for it" instead of something like he first said on the podium with mistake and he did get the message but didn't ignore it (WTF?). Hamilton was straight forward and I give him credit for that. I'm sorry for Nico, he should have been there and Lewis acknoledged that. Great was also the words after the race between Lauda and Toto Wolf, Lauda clearly said is was wrong in the spirit of the sport and competition while Wolf tried to defend it as much as possible, while admitting that is was wrong.
And I guess Alonso is pretty happy that he isn't the focus of attention after the embarassing decision to not change the front wing. But he payed for that. And he can't say he was out and it was not his fault.


It wasn't really Alonso's fault. He can't see his own front wing or the damage at all. The team should have definitely made that call, not him.
~
grindC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany274 Posts
March 24 2013 13:47 GMT
#418
Thank god there's WTCC today where there's just straight up racing... no bullshit drama... was a fun race to watch though.
Sok4R
Profile Joined November 2006
Germany124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-24 14:09:13
March 24 2013 14:08 GMT
#419
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Frag Everything that isn't you
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1103 Posts
March 24 2013 15:23 GMT
#420
Race was pretty epic... its the start of the season so fuel problems and tire issues are kinda expected in the latter stages of the race.

Vettel showed that he's still fairly immature when it comes to putting the team first and Webber showed what a great driver he is capable of being.
Shame for Alonso to go out at the start, bit of a silly gamble for Ferrari but even if he had pitted I'm not sure he would have scored any points.
Rosberg really showed how valuable a driver he is today. Him and Lewis both had great races had a little battle and then brought it home for a result I certainly didn't ever expect them to be capable of at the 2nd race.


China should be pretty epic in a few weeks time, Rosberg was epic there a year ago and Hammy is pretty handy there too... should be exciting!
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