EPTTL Health and Fitness Initiative 2013 - Page 77
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autoexec
United States530 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
Going back to my old old form - the one I was using for the first 2.5 years I was lifting. The one that put my sticking point at the floor, so I was either straight up locking out, or wasn't able to move the bar an inch. The one that had me plateaued at 305 for ~4 months. I hurt myself when I started listening to "real" lifters and watching Rippetoe's form videos, and going all "lift big eat big I'm going to pull 405 if it kills me lol". Basically my deadlift starts with my hips ~8 inches lower than they "should" be, my shins are more forward, my weight is less on my heels, and my back is more upright. It looks a lot more like the start position of a clean than it does a deadlift - but the last time I pulled a DL the "right" way I had to lie on the ground for about 10 minutes after a quarter rep at 135 lbs, and today I pulled 5x5 at the same weight without so much as an ache. No pain in the spine, hip, knee, groin, or lower back - nothing muscular, nothing joint related, nothing aching, burning, stabbing, no temporary loss of control in my legs, no nothing (all of those being problems I get when I use "good" DL form.) So I guess the moral of the story is stretch, stretch, stretch some more, and find what works for you... even if the "experts" say differently. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20053 Posts
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
I'm not in very good shape and I've been trying to do at least 45m of biking a day. Am I overdoing it? Are there any specific stretches or something I should be doing to prevent this? I'm trying to work up to doing a ~1hr ride to and from work but its extremely uncomfortable with how tight my muscle seems to get. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On May 31 2013 12:28 decafchicken wrote: I thought that's how you were supposed to deadlift lol. Maybe just do clean pulls for a while? Anyways cheers to lifting again brotha! Actual instruction starts ~4:00. The rest of it is "why is the deadlift so important" and "why is a strongman DL different than a powerlifting DL" I'll be pretty much doing these clean pull/deadlift (in oly shoes no less) for.... ever as far as I'm concerned. I have no problem with that. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
I deadlift in Rogue Do-Wins. They don't have quite the lift as a true pair of oly shoes, but any lift off the floor isn't ideal. I really should just grab a pair of slippers, but I never think about it. Don't want to DL barefoot at a commercial gym, and socks don't have enough grip on the rubbery floor (I've tried). 320x5 and 340x1 PRs. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On May 31 2013 14:14 ShadowDrgn wrote: Seems to me that if you roll the bar forward during your set of deadlifts, your back angle will become more horizontal as you bend over further, not more vertical as Rippetoe suggests... Maybe I should pay more attention to that next week. I deadlift in Rogue Do-Wins. They don't have quite the lift as a true pair of oly shoes, but any lift off the floor isn't ideal. I really should just grab a pair of slippers, but I never think about it. Don't want to DL barefoot at a commercial gym, and socks don't have enough grip on the rubbery floor (I've tried). 320x5 and 340x1 PRs. if the bar moves forward, your arms move out in front of you, and then in order to keep your scapula pulled back you have to sink your butt and it results in a more vertical torso.... or something. The guy's got a million videos on youtube, I've seen way too many of them and they're all jumbled up in my head, and I can't take anything he says seriously in that damned texas accent. If you want to use socks, try rugby or soccer socks. They're usually made of coarser thread, fit tighter to the foot, and wont be as slippery. Plus they'll protect your shins. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
You'll just use quads a little more, but you'll lift a little less weight. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20053 Posts
On May 31 2013 14:51 phyre112 wrote: if the bar moves forward, your arms move out in front of you, and then in order to keep your scapula pulled back you have to sink your butt and it results in a more vertical torso.... or something. The guy's got a million videos on youtube, I've seen way too many of them and they're all jumbled up in my head, and I can't take anything he says seriously in that damned texas accent. If you want to use socks, try rugby or soccer socks. They're usually made of coarser thread, fit tighter to the foot, and wont be as slippery. Plus they'll protect your shins. I haven't watched the video but that seems like some dumb fucking logic. I pretty just always strive to have my torso as vertical as possible on all squat/deadlift/clean/jerk/snatch. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On June 01 2013 06:21 Osmoses wrote: Guys, when doing deadlifts/cleans, do you try to keep your lower backs arched? I do and I think it might be a mistake (lower back pain). I serm to remember rippetoe saying its supposed to be a que for new, inflexible lifters, but that the arch itself is not intended. But I'm still relatively inflexible, plus its hard to squeeze my core whilst arching my back at the same time... Thoughts? You want to keep it mostly neutral which is with a lordotic curve, but not overly arched -- hyperlordosis | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On May 31 2013 23:33 decafchicken wrote: I haven't watched the video but that seems like some dumb fucking logic. I pretty just always strive to have my torso as vertical as possible on all squat/deadlift/clean/jerk/snatch. That's just a cue to fix a specific problem. The overarching idea of both videos is that "A deadlift is not a clean" and that you shouldn't be trying to set them up the same way. Most people have better leverages, and so can move more weight if they start with higher hips than they would in their clean position. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On May 31 2013 20:40 ShadeR wrote: What are the pros and cons mechanically when deadlifting in either flat soled shoes or shoes with a heel? If you're talking about deadlifting in running shoes (if you're not ignore this but I guess they're the most common heeled shoes used in a gym) you also need to know that the shock absorbing material in the sole of the shoe will mean the transfer of force between the ground and your feet will be less efficient. If your gym lets you then you're better off deadlifting bare foot than in running shoes. And for the discussion on back angle during a deadlift, I'm not an expert on which back angle is best for each person but in starting strength rippletoe talks about how back angle at the bottom of a deadlift is a function of your body shape, those with short arms will struggle to get as vertical a back angle as those with longer arms. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On June 01 2013 09:26 Eufouria wrote: If you're talking about deadlifting in running shoes (if you're not ignore this but I guess they're the most common heeled shoes used in a gym) you also need to know that the shock absorbing material in the sole of the shoe will mean the transfer of force between the ground and your feet will be less efficient. If your gym lets you then you're better off deadlifting bare foot than in running shoes. And for the discussion on back angle during a deadlift, I'm not an expert on which back angle is best for each person but in starting strength rippletoe talks about how back angle at the bottom of a deadlift is a function of your body shape, those with short arms will struggle to get as vertical a back angle as those with longer arms. I think by "heeled shoes" we're talking about oly shoes, with the very solid bottoms, but the wedge shaped heels. Doesn't change the force transfer, but the incline changes the angles involved. | ||
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