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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
November 03 2013 23:02 GMT
#3001
So I didn't have time for a full workout today (lots of homework + I had to go to a party for my friends at the movies) and I just decided to do a couple sets of OHP. I did my warm up sets and then I loaded 95 and could only do it for 3 reps T_T
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15364 Posts
November 04 2013 10:08 GMT
#3002
God FINALLY broke through 85kg bench again - the first time since February. Thanks Kelly Starret!
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
November 04 2013 12:01 GMT
#3003
I feel like with OHP you can't have any weaknesses. My OHP stalled for quite a while, and completely separately I was looking in the mirror at my shoulder and thought that my rear delt looked small. I did some rear laterals purely for vanity, and my OHP started going up...

A similar thing happened when I started taking pull-ups seriously. I think a bit of mass definitely doesn't hurt in OHP.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
November 04 2013 13:08 GMT
#3004
I've always had large shoulders, and I've come to believe OHP depends alot on technique, much like squatting. If you at any point during your movement lose balance even slightly or shove the bar up unevenly the next rep is going to be twice as hard and failure seems immiment, but when I manage to churn out 5 full reps with good form I'm barely tired afterward.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20154 Posts
November 04 2013 15:04 GMT
#3005
Perfect technique was created to lift the most weight possible, so why would you try to lift more weight with less than perfect technique?


I mostly use this in reference to the olympic lifts, but yeah pretty much any lift benefits greatly from perfect technique. Obviously it's not practical for most people to refine technique until perfection with a broomstick unless you're like 7 years old, but you get the point.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15364 Posts
November 04 2013 15:12 GMT
#3006
On November 05 2013 00:04 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
Perfect technique was created to lift the most weight possible, so why would you try to lift more weight with less than perfect technique?


I mostly use this in reference to the olympic lifts, but yeah pretty much any lift benefits greatly from perfect technique. Obviously it's not practical for most people to refine technique until perfection with a broomstick unless you're like 7 years old, but you get the point.

As far as I can tell that is not true for powerlifting though, isn't it? Where you get told to not do the technique of record breaking lifters (like wide stance squat / DL, overextended back during bench).
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20154 Posts
November 04 2013 15:38 GMT
#3007
Most legitimate WRs in powerlifting are done with great technique. It's when amatuers that don't have the experience/strength to emulate this technique (rounded upper back in DL, proper arch in back in bench, etc.) that it goes wrong.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
November 04 2013 16:09 GMT
#3008
Benched 40kg dumbbells for a set of twelve with chest to lockout range of motion. Feels good mang. The biggest dude at the gym told me to slow it down or I would overtake him haha, still buzzing about that.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 04 2013 21:05 GMT
#3009
Nice. Gonna do another Nov. progress pics thread? I've stopped lifting as much due to exams bu i have some pics saved =].

Also zatic the ultra wide stance squats you may have seen is likely geared lifters and that squat in my opinion is a completely different movement using almost exclusively your posterior chain. Thats reflected in they're training too, the guys at westside bb seem to only do box squats.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 05 2013 03:32 GMT
#3010
Best way to get stronger at pressing movements is to do sets of 5 or ideally less. If you are doing sets of 8 you shouldn't be surprised when your OHP has been stalled at sub-135 lbs for the last year.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 05 2013 18:22 GMT
#3011
On November 05 2013 00:12 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 00:04 decafchicken wrote:
Perfect technique was created to lift the most weight possible, so why would you try to lift more weight with less than perfect technique?


I mostly use this in reference to the olympic lifts, but yeah pretty much any lift benefits greatly from perfect technique. Obviously it's not practical for most people to refine technique until perfection with a broomstick unless you're like 7 years old, but you get the point.

As far as I can tell that is not true for powerlifting though, isn't it? Where you get told to not do the technique of record breaking lifters (like wide stance squat / DL, overextended back during bench).


As mentioned, world record lifts in powerlifting use great technique, but you shouldn't try to emulate them (at least directly) for a couple reasons.

1. That technique has a whole bunch of strength and body awareness requirements that someone who is not world-class isn't going to have, and when a piece comes out of place it's going to mean injury
2. That technique is refined specifically for the body mechanics of the individual using it, over years and years of practice, and no two bodies are the same
3. That technique may or may not relate to squat suits and similar equipment, if the record in question is a geared lift instead of a raw one, and if you're posting here, you're not a geared lifter.

I'm up for a november progress pics thread, even though it seems a little weird to make it in a new thread in the open sports forum. Maybe put a [TLHF] tag on it?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 06 2013 00:41 GMT
#3012
I'm open to progress pic. More like negative progress, but that's okay
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20154 Posts
November 06 2013 03:16 GMT
#3013
Pretty sure all i've done is put on 10-20 pounds in my legs in the last three years. Filled out my torso a bit i guess but with a smidge of extra fat. Haven't really gone on a cut or bulk cycle in ages really.

[TLHF]Pics of shirtless nerds 2013

I like it ^_^
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 04:17:23
November 06 2013 04:16 GMT
#3014
I might post a pic if I keep sober the 4 weeks left to my meet (FUCKERS RESCHEDULED THE MEET A WEEK, MOAR TIME SOBER :'( )

I'm starting to see my abs and my back is just so fucking strong. I wanna try 270kg DL on the meet for my 3rd (at least 265, depends on scores and what not)

However last week I fucked up my right quad pretty badly, could not squat above 100kg without pain but it feels a ton better now. Heat+tissue massage+deadlifts+fish oil + anything hopefully I can at least mantain my strength and learn to use squat+wraps. Shoulder is also almost good, but can't bench 100% yet.

Today:

RDL: 180kgx3x9
BB Rows: 70kgx8x3
Pull Ups BW x10 x8 x6
BB Curls, BB Finger Curls (reason my grip didn't die after months of DL/Shrugs with straps)


Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
November 06 2013 04:21 GMT
#3015
A progress pic of me now is essentially just a starting pic, but just wait til next year!
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
November 06 2013 04:54 GMT
#3016
Anyone have any suggestions as for a plan for me and my two roommates to run? Did a variation of starting strength for 8 months and then some AllPros Beginner for another 2 months. I could probably use a another couple months on All Pros, but my roommates are a little bigger and are def going to stall.
Current Big lift numbers for us

Me.
Bench 165x12(Est 1RM 225-230)
OHP 95 x 12
Squat 205X12(Could probably do 215x12)

Roommate 1
Bench 185x11(Est 1RM 245)
OHP 95 x 12
Squat 205X12(Could probably do 225x12)

Roommate 2
Bench 225x12(Est 1RM 305)
OHP 115 x 12
Squat 205X12(Could probably do 215x12)

Anyhow I really prefer working out with them as opposed to alone, but not really sure of a good routine to run for all of us.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 06 2013 05:36 GMT
#3017
DoggCrapp. Best way to add mass and strength. Rest times between dropsets don't matter as much for when you have two people working in. More fun than starting strength. Make sure you eat enough.

BTW who lists numbers for their 12 rep max? What is that?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
November 06 2013 05:59 GMT
#3018
On November 06 2013 14:36 IgnE wrote:
DoggCrapp. Best way to add mass and strength. Rest times between dropsets don't matter as much for when you have two people working in. More fun than starting strength. Make sure you eat enough.

BTW who lists numbers for their 12 rep max? What is that?

Just did 12rep today, easier than looking at guessing 1rm for every lift
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 06 2013 06:39 GMT
#3019
On November 06 2013 14:36 IgnE wrote:
DoggCrapp. Best way to add mass and strength. Rest times between dropsets don't matter as much for when you have two people working in. More fun than starting strength. Make sure you eat enough.

BTW who lists numbers for their 12 rep max? What is that?


Pretty sure trying to run DC with 3 people working out together is just going to result in 3 hour gym times where not a lot gets done though, isn't it? Unless they were all to split up and do different lifts, but then you're defeating the point of going to the gym in a group...
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 07:44:54
November 06 2013 07:41 GMT
#3020
Pretty sure trying to run any workout with 3 people working out together is going to take longer than it should. If you run with 3 people and the first person moves on to the next exercise while the third person is doing his superset, as if the group were in a three-person train, you can probably finish in 60 to 75 minutes. I don't think it matters if you run over into 75 minutes, as DC is about building strength and the pump is limited to each muscle; you aren't trying to stack multiple exercises on the same body part. You can also spot for people appropriately during this, because not every exercise should require a spotter, so two people can be working out while one person spots for the person who needs it. You can also be sipping a protein shake with BCAAs if you are worried about cortisol levels rising during a long workout, as you shouldn't be trying to do DC workouts fasted anyway.

If everyone waits for everyone else to warm up and do each superset and takes awhile inbetween working in, then yes, it's going to take a long fucking time. Not sure what you mean by "not a lot gets done."

The guy asked for a different kind of workout from the starting strength-type plan he was doing and even though he's on the noob-ier side of intermediate, his friends at least appear to be strong enough to gain some benefit from doing DC. Yes, I am biased.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
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