EPTTanaka ends up getting posted anyway
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10192385/masahiro-tanaka-rakuten-posted-made-available-major-league-baseball-teams
MLB Regular Season 2013 - Page 30
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
Tanaka ends up getting posted anyway http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10192385/masahiro-tanaka-rakuten-posted-made-available-major-league-baseball-teams | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On January 15 2014 13:33 zulu_nation8 wrote: Kershaw arbitration, not sure why the richest team in baseball couldn't offer up the money. Looks like they avoided it by signing him to a 7-year, $215m deal. The largest ever for a pitcher, surpassing Justin Verlander's 7-year, $180m contract signed in 2013. It says that he has an out clause after five years, so maybe he can go sign a 10-year, $500m contract with the Yankees when he's 30  | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
And it isn't confirmed, but I think I read/heard the Dodgers ownership has approved almost $900 million in player salaries since they took over. Incredible, b/c they are also being pretty smart about it if you look deeper into what they are doing. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
it's really dumb for a franchise that can be very smart in some areas to be late to the most obvious, effective and need filling game that is the closing IFA window by so much. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 08 2013 01:50 TriO wrote: offense gets you to the playoffs, and the yankees lose a huge chunk of money if they don't make it. I hope the yankees know that pitching and defense wins championships not old/injury prone players. I feel really bad for their fanbase they really can't go the youth rebuilding mode route. They don't have time considering their stadium and alot of money involved. It's a must win every free agency offseason mode. the yankees have enough resources that they can keep the playoffs thing afloat by FA signings (overpriced for other teams, but not for what marginal revenue they represent to the yankees), while also have enough resources in theory at least to sign top amateur and intl talents every year. their shit farm system is just a representation of the failure of their minors system both froma resource allocation viewpoint and also from scouting and development. it's not really crowding out by ML commitments over minors commitments. their development system is an utter joke and it's incrediby frustrating | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17924 Posts
On January 23 2014 01:41 oneofthem wrote: offense gets you to the playoffs, and the yankees lose a huge chunk of money if they don't make it. the yankees have enough resources that they can keep the playoffs thing afloat by FA .... Sabremetrics 101 here guy a starting pitcher has a larger influence on the outcome of a game than any position player. which is why the first thing Pat Gillick did when he took over the Mariners was get rid of Junior and ARod. More Sabremetrics 101. good pitching beats good hitting. hitters feed off of a pitcher's mistakes.. which is why 1 or 2 hot starters can dominate a lineup of sluggers. Example, 1993 World Series. Blue Jays score 15 runs in game 4 and 8 runs in game 6. They hit the ball all over the park. Rockets every where. In game 5 the great Curt Schilling makes the Blue Jays look like a team of AAA players. There are dozens more examples like this. thanks for the laugh though. | ||
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Phelix
1931 Posts
On January 23 2014 01:41 oneofthem wrote: offense gets you to the playoffs, and the yankees lose a huge chunk of money if they don't make it. the yankees have enough resources that they can keep the playoffs thing afloat by FA signings (overpriced for other teams, but not for what marginal revenue they represent to the yankees), while also have enough resources in theory at least to sign top amateur and intl talents every year. their shit farm system is just a representation of the failure of their minors system both froma resource allocation viewpoint and also from scouting and development. it's not really crowding out by ML commitments over minors commitments. their development system is an utter joke and it's incrediby frustrating Well, they can't sign top amateur and international talents anymore because there is a hard cap on spending in the drafts/talent pool. Yes, the Yankees farm system is a joke, so barren that they could not find anyone to play 2B/3B this year without going to the bottom of the free-agent pool to sign some backups. Girardi is a good manager that is capable to squeezing out more than most with that binder of his, but even that has its limits. I thought that the goal for the Yankees this year was the 189 plan. Guess that's not happening with Tanaka. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
for a roster like the yankees, who had decent pitching last year but absolute dog vomit offense, signing offense is absolutely the right thing to do. pitching win is also generally more expensive on the market than offense as well. it's not a general statement about pitching vs offense but situation specific. reports are that the yankees want to go hard in this year's intl class and basically take a big penalty and take next year off. they might be afraid of some sort of intl draft coming up, but yes, as i've said repeatedly in other places they should have done that before the current intl cap system. texas and bluejays went all in the year before they put in the cap and the yankees did jack shit. | ||
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Phelix
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17924 Posts
On January 23 2014 06:59 oneofthem wrote: to the sabr 101 guy above. you need to take some 102 lessons apparently. run differential still predicts win loss records, and we were talking about making the playoffs. the yankees were replacing negative war players with veteran FAs who may not be value according to a higher level of replacement value than what they had internally. so it's totally worth for them to sign guys like beltran etc if they were replacing the corpse of vernon fucking wells. for a roster like the yankees, who had decent pitching last year but absolute dog vomit offense, signing offense is absolutely the right thing to do. pitching win is also generally more expensive on the market than offense as well. it's not a general statement about pitching vs offense but situation specific. your original blanket comment about offense getting u into the playoffs needs to be proven in all cases. not just 1 very specific team in 1 specific situation... in the most difficult division in baseball. as far as "least expensive way". does Tampa sign offensive stars? no, they build a starting pitching factory. it is the least expensive way to do it. Tampa has literally no resources. a generation ago the Blue Jays did the same thing, and competed very well with the same over spending Yankees this is the least expensive way to build a consistent playoff contender. with a starting pitcher factory in your minor league. for this u need a baseball scout/genius at the top with total autonomy. guys like Friedman and Gillick do not grow on trees. but, again, this is the cheapest way to make the playoffs. and its a pitching heavy approach. Both the Jays and Rays had to endure the constant exit of top pitchers and they had to be replaced over and over again. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
basically price per win on offense is lower than it is for pitching and if you are looking at getting efficient wins out of run prevention you'd rather invest in defense, rather than signing typical fa pitchers. i don't see why you saw this need to type a huge essay on a simple issue. durr obviously i don't believe that pitching is not important the original spur of the discussion was 'what the yankees should be doing.' the poster i was responding to had this idea that the yankees shouldn't sign that many (mediocre) fa and instead rebuild their minors. but the problem is that 1. yankees can do both. 2. it is very worthwhile for the yankees to at least remain mediocre on offense to get to the playoffs, which represents great value. like it or not you need a stable everyday lineup with not that many holes to get to the playoffs. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17924 Posts
On January 23 2014 18:58 oneofthem wrote: i didn't say hitting rather than pitching gets you to playoffs as if it's exclusively one or the other. i said offense helps you get to the playoffs (implying that it is less effective within those playoffs) please this is pointless. ok, great. thanks for the clarification. obviously, the rays (friedman) and jays (the gillick era) had some hitting. both teams lean on a non stop flow of quality starters coming from the farm. This is why I do not like Anthopolous, he trades away too much pitching. On January 23 2014 08:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: omg a sabermetrics debate on TL, all this time browsing sports threads has been worth it. here is a closer look at the Blue Jays from a sabremetric perspective. http://www.gigablast.com/get?q=&c=dmoz3&d=79816643231&cnsp=0 | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17924 Posts
 the fact, he isn't saying what type of cancer it is is kind of ominous. his game 5 , 1993 world series start in the Philly vs. TO World Series was some of the greatest pitching ever. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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