I hope the yankees know that pitching and defense wins championships not old/injury prone players. I feel really bad for their fanbase they really can't go the youth rebuilding mode route. They don't have time considering their stadium and alot of money involved. It's a must win every free agency offseason mode.

GARO

United States2255 Posts

December 08 2013 01:02 GMT

#567

Good lord, I wonder how many Ms fans actually wanted this

lamprey1

Canada919 Posts

December 09 2013 18:24 GMT

#568

Roy Halladay is teh greatest fucking pitcher to ever fucking pitch for the fucking Toronto Blue Jays.
Dave Stieb can go fuck himself.

People want to teach their children honesty and strength of character should look at the EXAMPLE Roy Halladay set.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2013/12/09/roy_halladay_to_retire_as_a_blue_jay_after_signing_oneday_contract.html

what a fucking man.

Halladay will sign a 1 day contract with the Blue Jays and retire as a BLue Jay.

Roy Halladay is my fucking hero.

KelianQatar

303 Posts

December 09 2013 18:44 GMT

#569

On December 10 2013 03:24 lamprey1 wrote:
Roy Halladay is teh greatest fucking pitcher to ever fucking pitch for the fucking Toronto Blue Jays.
Dave Stieb can go fuck himself.

People want to teach their children honesty and strength of character should look at the EXAMPLE Roy Halladay set.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2013/12/09/roy_halladay_to_retire_as_a_blue_jay_after_signing_oneday_contract.html

what a fucking man.

Halladay will sign a 1 day contract with the Blue Jays and retire as a BLue Jay.

Roy Halladay is my fucking hero.

I thought Dustin Browder was your hero?

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

December 16 2013 19:59 GMT

#570

I feel like this is a good time to mention: despite people scoffing at my suggestion Fielder might be worth more WAR over the duration of his contract than Pujols (about halfway into their first season), currently their WAR over two seasons has been:

Fielder: 7 WAR (4.8+2.2)
Pujols: 4.4 WAR (3.7+0.7)

Granted Pujols was troubled most of the season with a foot injury, but hey, that's a risk you take with 10 year contracts. Also worth noting: Pujols is 33 (34 in a month), Fielder is 29. 7years to go!

Jaaaaasper

United States10225 Posts

December 19 2013 23:10 GMT

#571

Hey guys did you hear hear? Luke Scott is going to a foreign country to take someones job.

MassHysteria

United States3678 Posts

December 21 2013 16:50 GMT

#572

Is Buster Olney really trying to say that Mike Trout topping $400 million someday is out-of-the-box thinking (legitimate question, I don't have Insider)? I think it's fair to say that anyone who is informed would agree that if they sign him for 10yrs/300 right now, it's probably a good deal for the team. He is the best 22 year old player ever and the best player in the league.

After reading some of the preview though, I think he is trying to put it into perspective after the Cano deal I am guessing.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

December 22 2013 05:33 GMT

#573

going purely by the cost of WAR, his contract should start at 500 million.

GTR

51462 Posts

December 22 2013 06:44 GMT

#574

slugger choo shin-soo to the rangers...

lamprey1

Canada919 Posts

December 22 2013 06:46 GMT

#575

On December 22 2013 01:50 MassHysteria wrote:
Is Buster Olney really trying to say that Mike Trout topping $400 million someday is out-of-the-box thinking (legitimate question, I don't have Insider)? I think it's fair to say that anyone who is informed would agree that if they sign him for 10yrs/300 right now, it's probably a good deal for the team. He is the best 22 year old player ever and the best player in the league.

After reading some of the preview though, I think he is trying to put it into perspective after the Cano deal I am guessing.

WARNING: Pure Speculation.

Mike Trout has a classic case of "moon face" and is a heavy,heavy steroid abuser. His body will break down.
Trout don't look like no "ATP Tennis" level of steroid abuser. He looks like "WWE Wrestler level" of abuser.
He better be careful because if he continues abusing steroids at the rate he is currently doing so he may have big time health issues in his 30s and 40s.

/speculation.

If he is not on steroids then he should have a 20 year career.
HoF-ers like Eddie Murray and George Brett come to mind who "blossom with power and on-base prowess before 23".
Generally, high on-base power guys who blossom before 23 have very long careers.
It is crystal clear that Eddie Murry and George Brett never touched steroids though.

Conversely, players who do not bloom until 25 often have a short peak and start to decline early.

If Trout is not on 'riods then handing him a 10 year contract is a no-brainer.

rebdomine

6040 Posts

December 22 2013 08:54 GMT

#576

On December 22 2013 15:44 GTR wrote:
slugger choo shin-soo to the rangers...

pretty expected. they've been looking to add him since missing out on cano.

slyboogie

United States3423 Posts

December 23 2013 23:50 GMT

#577

On December 22 2013 14:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
going purely by the cost of WAR, his contract should start at 500 million.

The Angels should really see if they can sign out his Arb years and just swallow the fact they have to pay Willie Mays in 2014.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

December 24 2013 04:21 GMT

#578

No team should risk letting their young stars go to arbitration unless they know something we don't. Trout will break the arbitration record by a mile and not tying him up early creates animosity between the organization and the player. The Rockies were able to buy out two of Tulowitzki's free agent years for vastly, obscenely, below his market value (10 and 16 million) just by giving him a long term deal early in his career and then extending it later. He would easily command a Cano sized contract in the open market given his defense is as good as Cano's offense and Tulo's offense is far better than Cano's defense (Tango said this), SS is also a more valuable position than 2B. If the Angels wanna tie up Trout now, they need to probably double Tulo's contract for his arbi years, then start at something like 35-40 million a year, most likely more.

I can't think of a reason besides injury or juicing where a team should let a young star go to arbitration, even Lincecum didn't decline until after his arbi years. Relievers probably should rarely if ever get long term deals, other than that unless a player is delusional about his self-worth, there's just no reason to wait.

Now that I look at Tulo's contract, I'm really puzzled at why he thought it would be a good idea. It pays him 14m with a team option for 15m the next year when he's 36 and 37. He could probably sit out another two seasons and it would still be worth it to the Rockies. He's also most likely never going to win a ring playing at Coors Field.

slyboogie

United States3423 Posts

December 24 2013 21:23 GMT

#579

Team-friendly Long-term contracts early in a career are not that awful for the player. It looks like the player is surrendering crazy crazy value, like with Tulo and Evan Longoria and even Ryan Braun. But the fact is, dudes get hurt, they flame out - and the first hundred million is, ultimately, less valuable than the second.

Look at a player like Grady Sizemore - he was insanely productive and very valuable. But he got hurt and he'll never pull that 2nd big money contract. I bet Jason Heyward wishes he was bought out of his Arb years now.

That being said, Trout is going to make buku bucks. Buy out the Arb years, 10 years/380 million

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

December 24 2013 22:19 GMT

#580

That's true, I guess with Tulo's injury history, he took less money per year but in exchange for a longer contract and more insurance. The Longoria deal is much more team friendly. The Rays did as good of a job as a small market club could have with him and Matt Moore.