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On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again  135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups  That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups
Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason!
Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month.
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squats: 115kg x 12
bumped up the training max on squats considerably for this cycle.
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On December 04 2012 22:57 sJarl wrote:
cy3wk1
squats: 115kg x 12
bumped up the training max on squats considerably for this cycle.
I did 105kg for 23reps a couple of days back. It feels that I could probably squat that weight for 50 reps, but for the last few reps my heart goes 180bpm and you can hardly stand straight anymore. Basically I fear of passing out.
Well, that was just a bragging way to say that I think upping the training max is a good idea :-)
What is your bw these days (I am at 98,7kg as of today)?
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On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month.
That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts.
A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins.
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On December 05 2012 01:09 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 22:57 sJarl wrote:
cy3wk1
squats: 115kg x 12
bumped up the training max on squats considerably for this cycle. I did 105kg for 23reps a couple of days back. It feels that I could probably squat that weight for 50 reps, but for the last few reps my heart goes 180bpm and you can hardly stand straight anymore. Basically I fear of passing out. Well, that was just a bragging way to say that I think upping the training max is a good idea :-) What is your bw these days (I am at 98,7kg as of today)?
It is the same for me. Vision starts to get dangerously narrow, spots appearing everywhere and breathing so much for so long is just extremely hard. Doing 10+ reps is just nasty and 20 rep squats is something I've only done once before and don't plan on doing again. Also, bragging is good
I'm around 91-92kgs now. I gained plenty of fat during the summer which has lessened visibly now that I started training again. I still suck at eating enough clean calories.
Congrats on getting below 100kg! I know the road has been long and hard but doesn't it feel amazing to have reached that goal?
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On December 05 2012 01:13 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month. That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts. A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins.
Chins are to squats as pull ups are to deadlift for me (pre-injury). I feel like I can muscle through any weight with chins/squats within reason but pullups and deadlift I just can't will myself through.
I will take this opportunity to brag I did 100kg for 20 reps a few months ago at 74kg bw :D I love my squats and I miss them.
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On December 05 2012 01:13 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month. That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts. A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins.
haha I was struggling to hit my old maxes on weighted chins and then realized I weighed 4-5lb more.
Btw, anyone know how much I should be able to do on weighted chins before I can do a 1 arm chin-up?
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On December 05 2012 02:20 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 01:13 Malinor wrote:On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month. That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts. A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins. haha I was struggling to hit my old maxes on weighted chins and then realized I weighed 4-5lb more. Btw, anyone know how much I should be able to do on weighted chins before I can do a 1 arm chin-up?
It mostly feels surreal. Next year I will for the first time in my life be in a place where I am not trying to lose weight, but just stay the same. That will be quite an ajustment.
And people nowadays just urge me to stop losing anymore weight. They all say if I lose more it wouldn't look good/ I was getting too small. that is 100kg at 181cm. Quite nice actually.
And to kinda quote the book I am reading right now:
Picture is coming.
a) A lot, probably at least +60kg I would assume. But this is just wild guessing.
b) I am pretty sure, unless you are super skinny or just a freak of nature, you have to train one-armed chins specifically for quite some time. There is just limited carryover from normal chins. But I would ask that question to eshlow in the bodyweight thread, he knows this stuff and most of us can only guess.
On December 05 2012 01:52 sJarl wrote:
Congrats on getting below 100kg! I know the road has been long and hard but doesn't it feel amazing to have reached that goal?
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On December 05 2012 02:20 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 01:13 Malinor wrote:On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month. That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts. A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins. haha I was struggling to hit my old maxes on weighted chins and then realized I weighed 4-5lb more. Btw, anyone know how much I should be able to do on weighted chins before I can do a 1 arm chin-up?
Eshlow's book states a comparable weighted chin up to a one arm is 90% bw
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I honestly doubt the ability to do 1arm pull ups correlates in any way with the amount of weight you can do normal ones with. I had a scrawny buddy in HS who could do multiple 1arm pullups and there is a 0% chance he could have done normal ones with any substantial weight. I think it's just one of those things you have to train specifically to be good at.
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On December 05 2012 03:26 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 02:20 infinity21 wrote:On December 05 2012 01:13 Malinor wrote:On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month. That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts. A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins. haha I was struggling to hit my old maxes on weighted chins and then realized I weighed 4-5lb more. Btw, anyone know how much I should be able to do on weighted chins before I can do a 1 arm chin-up? It mostly feels surreal. Next year I will for the first time in my life be in a place where I am not trying to lose weight, but just stay the same. That will be quite an ajustment. And people nowadays just urge me to stop losing anymore weight. They all say if I lose more it wouldn't look good/ I was getting too small. that is 100kg at 181cm. Quite nice actually. And to kinda quote the book I am reading right now: Picture is coming. a) A lot, probably at least +60kg I would assume. But this is just wild guessing. b) I am pretty sure, unless you are super skinny or just a freak of nature, you have to train one-armed chins specifically for quite some time. There is just limited carryover from normal chins. But I would ask that question to eshlow in the bodyweight thread, he knows this stuff and most of us can only guess. Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 01:52 sJarl wrote:
Congrats on getting below 100kg! I know the road has been long and hard but doesn't it feel amazing to have reached that goal?
Can't wait to see where you go from here. Now that you can get back to lifting
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Well one arm is doing the work of two arms so lifting nearly double your bodyweight makes sense. I agree you would have to train specifically for it but you still need the underlying strength. I guess you could work on assisted one-arm chinups with a machine but I don't see how there is no correlation. You have to work up to the level of strength where you can start doing one-arm eccentrics etc.
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Damn, late in december ill try to max deadlift,squat and benchpress hoping for:
deadlift 270/280kg
benchpress 150kg
squat 230/240kg
Been resting for a few days after 220kg squat, was abit heavy since I just started with squatting again
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On December 05 2012 03:26 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 02:20 infinity21 wrote:On December 05 2012 01:13 Malinor wrote:On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month. That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts. A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins. haha I was struggling to hit my old maxes on weighted chins and then realized I weighed 4-5lb more. Btw, anyone know how much I should be able to do on weighted chins before I can do a 1 arm chin-up? It mostly feels surreal. Next year I will for the first time in my life be in a place where I am not trying to lose weight, but just stay the same. That will be quite an ajustment. And people nowadays just urge me to stop losing anymore weight. They all say if I lose more it wouldn't look good/ I was getting too small. that is 100kg at 181cm. Quite nice actually. And to kinda quote the book I am reading right now: Picture is coming. a) A lot, probably at least +60kg I would assume. But this is just wild guessing. b) I am pretty sure, unless you are super skinny or just a freak of nature, you have to train one-armed chins specifically for quite some time. There is just limited carryover from normal chins. But I would ask that question to eshlow in the bodyweight thread, he knows this stuff and most of us can only guess.
Yeah I will probably start doing more specific training once I feel like I have a good base. Right now I can only do ~55% of BW so I feel like I still have a long way to go.
@Mordek: Thanks. That gives me a goal to aim for. Trying to get it by the end of 2013 is going to be tough
On December 05 2012 03:38 Luxae wrote:
I honestly doubt the ability to do 1arm pull ups correlates in any way with the amount of weight you can do normal ones with. I had a scrawny buddy in HS who could do multiple 1arm pullups and there is a 0% chance he could have done normal ones with any substantial weight. I think it's just one of those things you have to train specifically to be good at.
Hmm that's interesting. I've never seen big guys do 1 arm chins without being able to do a lot of weighted chins though.
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On December 05 2012 05:53 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 03:26 Malinor wrote:On December 05 2012 02:20 infinity21 wrote:On December 05 2012 01:13 Malinor wrote:On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month. That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts. A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins. haha I was struggling to hit my old maxes on weighted chins and then realized I weighed 4-5lb more. Btw, anyone know how much I should be able to do on weighted chins before I can do a 1 arm chin-up? It mostly feels surreal. Next year I will for the first time in my life be in a place where I am not trying to lose weight, but just stay the same. That will be quite an ajustment. And people nowadays just urge me to stop losing anymore weight. They all say if I lose more it wouldn't look good/ I was getting too small. that is 100kg at 181cm. Quite nice actually. And to kinda quote the book I am reading right now: Picture is coming. a) A lot, probably at least +60kg I would assume. But this is just wild guessing. b) I am pretty sure, unless you are super skinny or just a freak of nature, you have to train one-armed chins specifically for quite some time. There is just limited carryover from normal chins. But I would ask that question to eshlow in the bodyweight thread, he knows this stuff and most of us can only guess. Yeah I will probably start doing more specific training once I feel like I have a good base. Right now I can only do ~55% of BW so I feel like I still have a long way to go. @Mordek: Thanks. That gives me a goal to aim for. Trying to get it by the end of 2013 is going to be tough Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 03:38 Luxae wrote:
I honestly doubt the ability to do 1arm pull ups correlates in any way with the amount of weight you can do normal ones with. I had a scrawny buddy in HS who could do multiple 1arm pullups and there is a 0% chance he could have done normal ones with any substantial weight. I think it's just one of those things you have to train specifically to be good at. Hmm that's interesting. I've never seen big guys do 1 arm chins without being able to do a lot of weighted chins though.
I have an addendum (and hopefully good news ) You can start training for the OAC/OAP when you can do +50%. +90% is an equivalent.
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On December 05 2012 08:57 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 05:53 infinity21 wrote:On December 05 2012 03:26 Malinor wrote:On December 05 2012 02:20 infinity21 wrote:On December 05 2012 01:13 Malinor wrote:On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month. That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts. A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins. haha I was struggling to hit my old maxes on weighted chins and then realized I weighed 4-5lb more. Btw, anyone know how much I should be able to do on weighted chins before I can do a 1 arm chin-up? It mostly feels surreal. Next year I will for the first time in my life be in a place where I am not trying to lose weight, but just stay the same. That will be quite an ajustment. And people nowadays just urge me to stop losing anymore weight. They all say if I lose more it wouldn't look good/ I was getting too small. that is 100kg at 181cm. Quite nice actually. And to kinda quote the book I am reading right now: Picture is coming. a) A lot, probably at least +60kg I would assume. But this is just wild guessing. b) I am pretty sure, unless you are super skinny or just a freak of nature, you have to train one-armed chins specifically for quite some time. There is just limited carryover from normal chins. But I would ask that question to eshlow in the bodyweight thread, he knows this stuff and most of us can only guess. Yeah I will probably start doing more specific training once I feel like I have a good base. Right now I can only do ~55% of BW so I feel like I still have a long way to go. @Mordek: Thanks. That gives me a goal to aim for. Trying to get it by the end of 2013 is going to be tough On December 05 2012 03:38 Luxae wrote:
I honestly doubt the ability to do 1arm pull ups correlates in any way with the amount of weight you can do normal ones with. I had a scrawny buddy in HS who could do multiple 1arm pullups and there is a 0% chance he could have done normal ones with any substantial weight. I think it's just one of those things you have to train specifically to be good at. Hmm that's interesting. I've never seen big guys do 1 arm chins without being able to do a lot of weighted chins though. I have an addendum (and hopefully good news ) You can start training for the OAC/OAP when you can do +50%. +90% is an equivalent.
That's pretty sick. I might add some OAC training then. Do you know any good programs to train for it?
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That looks pretty solid. I'll try some of that stuff out, thanks
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On December 05 2012 03:26 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 02:20 infinity21 wrote:On December 05 2012 01:13 Malinor wrote:On December 04 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:On December 04 2012 12:45 LovE- wrote:On December 04 2012 11:48 mordek wrote:45lb pull ups 5,5,3 again 135lb squat 4x10 pause at the bottom. still frustrated im not squatting heavy. soon. 175lb bench 3x5 got a random compliment while doing weighted pull ups That's awesome man! I want to be able to do that! I'm struggling to do 5,5,3 BW pull ups Weighed myself this morning and I'm up about 5lb in a week so I'm hoping that is the reason! Also I forgot the other bright side to my workout. I usually do a set or two of bw pull-ups/chin-ups after my work sets and try to pull as fast as possible. My first rep I got my chest about an inch over the bar. Had I been prepared I think I could have attained my first muscle up which would be awesome!!!! It's going to happen before the end of the month. That most definitely is the biggest reason. By know I basically organize my chin-up workouts based on what my weight was in the morning. It has a major impact on my workouts. A Muscle-Up is one of my goals for next year, but as of now I am not even close. My weighted Pull-ups are lagging behind majorly compared to those Chins. haha I was struggling to hit my old maxes on weighted chins and then realized I weighed 4-5lb more. Btw, anyone know how much I should be able to do on weighted chins before I can do a 1 arm chin-up? It mostly feels surreal. Next year I will for the first time in my life be in a place where I am not trying to lose weight, but just stay the same. That will be quite an ajustment. And people nowadays just urge me to stop losing anymore weight. They all say if I lose more it wouldn't look good/ I was getting too small. that is 100kg at 181cm. Quite nice actually. And to kinda quote the book I am reading right now: Picture is coming. a) A lot, probably at least +60kg I would assume. But this is just wild guessing. b) I am pretty sure, unless you are super skinny or just a freak of nature, you have to train one-armed chins specifically for quite some time. There is just limited carryover from normal chins. But I would ask that question to eshlow in the bodyweight thread, he knows this stuff and most of us can only guess. Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 01:52 sJarl wrote:
Congrats on getting below 100kg! I know the road has been long and hard but doesn't it feel amazing to have reached that goal?
I can hardly imagine. You gained strength pretty damn fast when you were only eating a maintenance diet so we are expecting big numbers from you. 100kg at your height is what I would consider an ideal weight.
Today's workout:
BP: 65kg x 13
Inc. DB BP: 26kg x 6-6-6
Dumbbell presses moving along very nicely.
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Today:
Back squat 3x100, 3x110, 3x120, 3x130, 3x120, 3x110, 3x100
3x5 110 kg
On the minute for 10 minutes:
5 strict pullups, 10 kettlebell swings 32 kg
Handstand walks to finish off
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