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Norway28908 Posts
that's your anti-real madrid glasses speaking. many teams have attained sudden vast riches over the past decade. and barcelona real madrid united and bayern are wealthy and prestigeous enough to compete for the same players anyway. yet mourinho's chelsea is the single "CM-cheat" team that has performed the best. they were legitimately the best team in the world over a two year period. he went like 86 games without losing on home field.
I mean compare what he did with how mancini has handled manchester city. or compare how mourinho did with every coach that succeeded him.
and not just that. mourinho during his chelsea years, where you could see that he was really happy and enjoying himself, was the most entertaining coach ever. during RM years he went too far on a couple occasions, but during chelsea years he was just.. confident, hilarious and awesome. I've never liked chelsea much but I became a massiv mourinho fanboy during his chelsea reign.
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Watching Chelsea TV now, they are showing montages of his previous reign... Petr Ceh on the pitch without his cap on is so weird
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On June 04 2013 01:52 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 01:43 RvB wrote:
Why do Chelsea fans love Mourinho so much? I know he won your first league in a loooong time but it seems so excessive. He made us the threat we are now, the way we can win games now is mainly due to him. He installed all the players we had with this "swag" of they are the best, they will win games and you will be successful. The trophies were proof of this, and still even after he went the players had this attitude. You could argue as well Mourinho's way with the players were the reason other managers have failed, AVB Grant Scolari etc, but Ancelotti was the closet we had to a 2nd Mourinho, a guy who made getting the players on side priority number 1. With what Mourinho gave us in terms of Trophies and success, is the reason we love him so much. He put us on the global map!
Hmm Mourinho always gives me the impression that he's a short term success trainer who leaves destruction behind him. Look at Inter and at Real Madrid he made a lot of enemies too. Admittedly I don't know much about Chelsea so you're probably right.
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On June 04 2013 02:15 malcram wrote:
Disagree. Teams need to know the feeling of winning. That creates a legacy. And Mourinho has certainly done that. RDM won us the Champion's League because he rallied the troops with a sense of patriotism, him being an old boy. That's why we showed the character we had. But that fizzled out soon enough. At least that's my opinion.
Sure, without Abramovich's money, we wouldn't be anywhere. But it takes a good coach to make it a winning team.
Then can you explain why Inter and RM (to some degree) are in the shitter ? What happened to their swag ?
Hes an energy drink manager. Chelseas short term sucess after he left may be due to what he brought sure, but none of their recent progress or success has anything to do with him in particular.
You think Ancelotti cant get teams to get a winning feeling ? Hes won plenty..
That having been said, Chelsea was the only club he never wanted to leave so maybe if he actually hangs around somewhere for more than a couple or so years we might get to see something interesting.
On June 04 2013 02:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I mean compare what he did with how mancini has handled manchester city. or compare how mourinho did with every coach that succeeded him.
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Wellll he did kinda win stuff. Hes a terrible manager sure but he wasnt painfully unsuccessful or anything. They underperformed but they were still the second best team in England this year by a margin.
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Norway28908 Posts
im just saying it's like.. mourinho isn't necessarily a godly manager cuz of what he did with chelsea. I think he's a godly manager cuz of what he did with porto and inter more so than chelsea to be honest, and chelsea more so than madrid. but it's not like you can just put any random coach in a super wealthy club and immediately get good results. in fact having 20 star players can be exceptionally challenging - and imo this aspect of the job is where he actually failed in real madrid compared to say, chelsea. chelsea was a team of stars, but you didn't see players revolting against his rule - in fact they all seemed to love him, and they all worked together to make his gameplan work out. in real madrid, I have the impression that many players are happy to see him leave, and that this isn't just the fault of mourinho.
I think mourinho is the kind of manager whom is very good at making himself be the uncontested boss of his club. but he's also a manager who needs to have this position. kinda like ferguson in this regard. he's the only one who can be bigger than the club he's managing.
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wow neymar is going to be huge in barca, looking forward to the next season already. At least he was a beast in FM XD
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I watched the whole thing, all in all he said he has finished his evolution as a manager (as in growing up) and that he has come to Chelsea at the best time in his career and that he sees Chelsea as a long term project
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On June 04 2013 03:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:
im just saying it's like.. mourinho isn't necessarily a godly manager cuz of what he did with chelsea. I think he's a godly manager cuz of what he did with porto and inter more so than chelsea to be honest, and chelsea more so than madrid. but it's not like you can just put any random coach in a super wealthy club and immediately get good results. in fact having 20 star players can be exceptionally challenging - and imo this aspect of the job is where he actually failed in real madrid compared to say, chelsea. chelsea was a team of stars, but you didn't see players revolting against his rule - in fact they all seemed to love him, and they all worked together to make his gameplan work out. in real madrid, I have the impression that many players are happy to see him leave, and that this isn't just the fault of mourinho.
I think mourinho is the kind of manager whom is very good at making himself be the uncontested boss of his club. but he's also a manager who needs to have this position. kinda like ferguson in this regard. he's the only one who can be bigger than the club he's managing.
The thing with mourinho is that he will always walk on a very thin line. He can be brilliant with concentrating all the attention on him and take pressure away from the team but with this kind of attitude he tends to "tilt" sometimes. Like the thing with Cassilias which was just plain stupid.
I find it very funny that on the week Guardiola was announced to coach Bayern some newspapers form spain and england had headlines like "he is running away from mou..." "goes to a kind of worse club..." or "goes to a weak league..." and now Guardiola will coach the CL winner and play one of hist first games against Mourinhos chelsea.
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On June 04 2013 02:40 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 01:52 Pandemona wrote:On June 04 2013 01:43 RvB wrote:
Why do Chelsea fans love Mourinho so much? I know he won your first league in a loooong time but it seems so excessive. He made us the threat we are now, the way we can win games now is mainly due to him. He installed all the players we had with this "swag" of they are the best, they will win games and you will be successful. The trophies were proof of this, and still even after he went the players had this attitude. You could argue as well Mourinho's way with the players were the reason other managers have failed, AVB Grant Scolari etc, but Ancelotti was the closet we had to a 2nd Mourinho, a guy who made getting the players on side priority number 1. With what Mourinho gave us in terms of Trophies and success, is the reason we love him so much. He put us on the global map! Hmm Mourinho always gives me the impression that he's a short term success trainer who leaves destruction behind him.
That's just a common and incorrect assumption. He left Porto and Chelsea extremely strong, left Inter barely any different and they just crashed and burned without him, and leaves RM still in pretty much better shape than when he joined.
I'm over the Mou-n that he has come back to his home :D. Now is the perfect time to push on in the next phase of his career and move into the 'greatest ever' debate within the next 10 years!!!!
On June 04 2013 02:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yet mourinho's chelsea is the single "CM-cheat" team that has performed the best. they were legitimately the best team in the world over a two year period. he went like 86 games without losing on home field.
Yeah, every 'get rich quick' team since Chelsea has kind of been lame by comparison. Difference with Chelsea and the others is that there was a HUGE customer base with some serious money just waiting to be unlocked, but during the 80's Chelsea was one of the most working-class, family-unfriendly, football hooligan-y clubs in London. It was turned around by Ken Bates slowly and eventually, when Abramovich came, it was in the perfect place to be taken up a notch. I personally was upset by the fact that Chelsea got all the money, knowing that people would start disrespecting me for supporting them (even though I supported them since 1994)...and stopped following football in general for a few years. But now you look back at it and it's hard not to respect what Mourinho did, the choices he made and the team he created.
The thing is that Mou gave everyone the impression that being handed a shit load of cash makes it easy to make a world class, top quality team, and future experiments have shown that it was more him than the money that made it so great.
On June 04 2013 04:30 USvBleakill wrote:
I find it very funny that on the week Guardiola was announced to coach Bayern some newspapers form spain and england had headlines like "he is running away from mou..." "goes to a kind of worse club..." or "goes to a weak league..." and now Guardiola will coach the CL winner and play one of hist first games against Mourinhos chelsea.
I'm still not entirely convinced that the Bundesliga is actually now on a par level with la liga and the prem, or if it's mainly because the current crop of German youngsters is incredibly talented. Time will tell I guess. I think a big thing is whether or not the Bundesliga can start draining talent from France, Holland and even Africa more dominantly than the premier league can right now...it's all about talent pools.
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I'm going to laugh and cry if he's gone by Christmas
But seriously long term my ass it'll be a miricle if roman doesn't interfere
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On June 04 2013 04:45 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 02:40 RvB wrote:On June 04 2013 01:52 Pandemona wrote:On June 04 2013 01:43 RvB wrote:
Why do Chelsea fans love Mourinho so much? I know he won your first league in a loooong time but it seems so excessive. He made us the threat we are now, the way we can win games now is mainly due to him. He installed all the players we had with this "swag" of they are the best, they will win games and you will be successful. The trophies were proof of this, and still even after he went the players had this attitude. You could argue as well Mourinho's way with the players were the reason other managers have failed, AVB Grant Scolari etc, but Ancelotti was the closet we had to a 2nd Mourinho, a guy who made getting the players on side priority number 1. With what Mourinho gave us in terms of Trophies and success, is the reason we love him so much. He put us on the global map! Hmm Mourinho always gives me the impression that he's a short term success trainer who leaves destruction behind him. That's just a common and incorrect assumption. He left Porto and Chelsea extremely strong, left Inter barely any different and they just crashed and burned without him, and leaves RM still in pretty much better shape than when he joined. I'm over the Mou-n that he has come back to his home :D. Now is the perfect time to push on in the next phase of his career and move into the 'greatest ever' debate within the next 10 years!!!! Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 02:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yet mourinho's chelsea is the single "CM-cheat" team that has performed the best. they were legitimately the best team in the world over a two year period. he went like 86 games without losing on home field. Yeah, every 'get rich quick' team since Chelsea has kind of been lame by comparison. Difference with Chelsea and the others is that there was a HUGE customer base with some serious money just waiting to be unlocked, but during the 80's Chelsea was one of the most working-class, family-unfriendly, football hooligan-y clubs in London. It was turned around by Ken Bates slowly and eventually, when Abramovich came, it was in the perfect place to be taken up a notch. I personally was upset by the fact that Chelsea got all the money, knowing that people would start disrespecting me for supporting them (even though I supported them since 1994)...and stopped following football in general for a few years. But now you look back at it and it's hard not to respect what Mourinho did, the choices he made and the team he created. The thing is that Mou gave everyone the impression that being handed a shit load of cash makes it easy to make a world class, top quality team, and future experiments have shown that it was more him than the money that made it so great. Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 04:30 USvBleakill wrote:
I find it very funny that on the week Guardiola was announced to coach Bayern some newspapers form spain and england had headlines like "he is running away from mou..." "goes to a kind of worse club..." or "goes to a weak league..." and now Guardiola will coach the CL winner and play one of hist first games against Mourinhos chelsea. I'm still not entirely convinced that the Bundesliga is actually now on a par level with la liga and the prem, or if it's mainly because the current crop of German youngsters is incredibly talented. Time will tell I guess. I think a big thing is whether or not the Bundesliga can start draining talent from France, Holland and even Africa more dominantly than the premier league can right now...it's all about talent pools.
Í´m not sure too. I think prem is a bit deeper but i also think that there are a lot of players that are overpayed. But i haven´t watched enough of it to really judge.
On la liga i don´t know. The thing i noticed in comparison of la liga and Bundesliga is that the mid/low tier Bundesliga clubs are strategical better suited against higher teams. Teams like Freiburg, Mainz or Frankfurt did really cool things against teams that have "better" personal.
Also they are more willing to defend a 0-0 over 90 minutes against Bayern or Dortmund. In la liga i saw pretty often that even teams like Valencia or Athletico make really critical errors like trying to defend Messi and Ronaldo 1v1 a couple of times in a game. So i would say LaLiga has better players but the Bundesliga has better strategic education on the players and a better coaching staff.
Another thing that helps in my opinion is the fact that Bundesliga has 2 teams less and "1 game each round"-Pokal. It may seem not that big of a deal to have 6 or 7 games more or less but it allows the poorer teams to have smaller rosters because you have less injuries and more regenerationtime. So they can spend their money on player number 13 and 14 and not on players 21. 22. 23. 24. and 25. just to have enough guys for 50+ games every season.
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I have to say I am a little butthurt that Moruinho calls his grand slam complete while completely ignoring the Bundesliga.
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On June 04 2013 05:32 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I have to say I am a little butthurt that Moruinho calls his grand slam complete while completely ignoring the Bundesliga.
His ego won't permit him to accept he didn't win a title in one of the top 3 leagues. And really I can't take Mourinho seriously when he's saying Chelsea is a long term project when he never stays for more than 3 years at a club, add to that that Chelsea has a new coach every year I doubt he'll stay there for long.
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On June 04 2013 06:04 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 05:32 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I have to say I am a little butthurt that Moruinho calls his grand slam complete while completely ignoring the Bundesliga. His ego won't permit him to accept he didn't win a title in one of the top 3 leagues. And really I can't take Mourinho seriously when he's saying Chelsea is a long term project when he never stays for more than 3 years at a club, add to that that Chelsea has a new coach every year I doubt he'll stay there for long.
What's the plan now?
The plan is always the same, evolution and to establish the club at the highest possible level. I left Chelsea in 2007, since then I've spoken about the club many times, especially in my privacy. I remember the day we went to the United States in 2004 pre-season. We had open training sessions with only a couple of kids watching the sessions, nobody was following the team. It was the beginning of Roman and his second season I suppose was the beginning of Chelsea. After that Chelsea started winning the Premier League, for the first time and then the second time, and after that when we went back to the United States we found a completely different situation around the club.
I can imagine now especially after the Champions League, that was the highest point of the club's history, that this is now a bigger club. The social mass around the club is much bigger.
I am the same, physically the same, but every day you have to think about yourself, especially the manager, and about the evolution. I have the same nature but I'm much more mature with a different approach to things, I'm more ready to be in a club and stay for a long time.
Normally you haven't spent a lot more than about three years with a club so you are saying this is longer-term building?
I hope so. When you look at the profile of the Chelsea squad I think it's what they need at this time. If you look from my time, there are around four or five boys and these are the older ones - very important for this football club and very important for the balance of the squad, but it's a young squad with a lot of talent and I think they need stability to reach a high point of their evolution and for their careers. They need stability, stability I hope I can give them and between me, the owner and of course the club, we have no doubts about what we want to do and the approach we want to have. I'm very confident I can help the team and help the boys to develop.
I feel myself not just as the Chelsea manager, because this is the first time in my career that I've arrived at a club that I already love. Normally I love the club a couple of years after I am there. Of course I go to a club, I wear the shirt and I feel the shirt with the crest and I give everything I have to do it, but this is the first time where I love it already. To be at the same time a Chelsea fan and a Chelsea manager is a new feeling for me and it's a fantastic feeling.
As for the top 3 leagues its all a matter of personal preference though one thing is certain, the most prestigious leagues in Europe are: England, Italy and Spain.
Yes there are times when clubs from Germany, Portugal, Holland, France ect. are winning European trophies but the top 3 will always be the top 3
EDIT: now that I think about it a grand slam should be 4 titles, right?
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On June 04 2013 06:04 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 05:32 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I have to say I am a little butthurt that Moruinho calls his grand slam complete while completely ignoring the Bundesliga. His ego won't permit him to accept he didn't win a title in one of the top 3 leagues. And really I can't take Mourinho seriously when he's saying Chelsea is a long term project when he never stays for more than 3 years at a club, add to that that Chelsea has a new coach every year I doubt he'll stay there for long.
Why do you think so badly of Mourinho? Also whats with this he leaves his club in shambles myth? lol
Porto, Chelsea were all left in very good condition, Inter only have themselves to blame.
Real Madrid was in very bad condition before Mourinho even joined.
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On June 04 2013 05:32 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I have to say I am a little butthurt that Moruinho calls his grand slam complete while completely ignoring the Bundesliga.
No club in germany would take him, even for free.
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On June 04 2013 06:09 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:04 RvB wrote:On June 04 2013 05:32 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I have to say I am a little butthurt that Moruinho calls his grand slam complete while completely ignoring the Bundesliga. His ego won't permit him to accept he didn't win a title in one of the top 3 leagues. And really I can't take Mourinho seriously when he's saying Chelsea is a long term project when he never stays for more than 3 years at a club, add to that that Chelsea has a new coach every year I doubt he'll stay there for long. Why do you think so badly of Mourinho? Also whats with this he leaves his club in shambles myth? lol Porto, Chelsea were all left in very good condition, Inter only have themselves to blame. Real Madrid was in very bad condition before Mourinho even joined.
I don't think that bad of him really since he did exceptional at Porto but if you name yourself the special one it's hard to deny you have a massive ego. And why should I take Mourinho's word for it when he says he will be a long term coach when he has never been at clubs for that long especially when you look at the rest of the football world there are very few trainers/players that stay st a club for an extended period of time.
Edit: how is the Serie A more prestigious now than the bundesliga? Italian top clubs can't compete with the top of Europe at the moment while the Bundesliga has been steadily improving for years climaxing in this CL.
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On June 04 2013 06:14 Savage88 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 05:32 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I have to say I am a little butthurt that Moruinho calls his grand slam complete while completely ignoring the Bundesliga. No club in germany would take him, even for free.
If Mourinho offered his services free of charge, I strongly doubt there would be a league in the world where he couldn't find a job.
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On June 04 2013 06:09 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 06:04 RvB wrote:On June 04 2013 05:32 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I have to say I am a little butthurt that Moruinho calls his grand slam complete while completely ignoring the Bundesliga. His ego won't permit him to accept he didn't win a title in one of the top 3 leagues. And really I can't take Mourinho seriously when he's saying Chelsea is a long term project when he never stays for more than 3 years at a club, add to that that Chelsea has a new coach every year I doubt he'll stay there for long. Why do you think so badly of Mourinho? Also whats with this he leaves his club in shambles myth? lol Real Madrid was in very bad condition before Mourinho even joined.
Real Madrid was in a very bad condition ? They only became the highest point gaining second place finisher in la liga history under Pellegrini.. yeahh... not really. He got shafted just like Heynckes is getting shafted + Show Spoiler +(ok maybe not "just like" but big picture k?)
Dont think theres a leaves clubs in shambles myth at all. Its just that he leaves clubs, there is no myth to that.
The only club where hes actually burning bridges is Real, and frankly compared to Real; Inter, Porto and even Chelsea at the beginning were relatively free reign jobs.
At RM where you have alot of shit to manage off the pitch if your personality is combative (which is nice and entertaining) it will get you into trouble. Besides Clubs with sugar daddy action have always been revolving doors. I'd be pleasantly surprised if that does not happen to be the case.
Chelsea is the only club he didnt actually "leave" so you never know.
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