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sharkie
Austria18443 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:11 Twisted wrote: Yeah because Sweden is winning every world cup. Dot dot dot. Nowadays teams don't win world/eurocups because of one player. And Messi is carrying Argentina. in what way is messi carrying argentina | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Lavezzi on his day was the sickest player i have ever seen, away game in champs league vs Chelsea last year he was sick, got Cavanni to look like the best striker in the world. He is the best player for me and the best buy for PSG England team was a shit team i agree, and Ibra just shrugged off caulker and shawcross for fun for most his goals and the other 2 was Joe Hart being shit! I still prefer Ronaldo to Messi anyway  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:29 Otolia wrote: Teal deer : Buying Ibra + a bunch of good defensive players is more cost efficient than buying Messi and the supporting cast he needs. Yes and it is also significantly less successful. Unless you want to dominate a depleted and at the time recovering from Calcio broken Italian League.. Just because Joe Hart had a somewhat poor day and Ibra tore to shreds lol lol "Kyle Caulker and Gary Cahill" doesnt exactly light the imagination on fire. Ibra is good no doubt he is not level with the top 2. Perhaps in talent, definitely not in effectiveness not in any team outside his Inter years (Juve had a sick team and Ibra was just getting decent at the time so that doesnt really count). At Milan he didnt get to run the team so much and he wasnt particularly prolific either but every so often winning a game by himself was clearly appreciated there aswell. So sure if you want to dominate weak leagues (which wouldnt even work anymore since Juve came back to some reasonable strength last year) do the Ibra + good defensive players thing. I'll put my money on the teams built around the Ronaldo's and the Messi's. Hell even the RVP's | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
Every single team that Ibrahimovic has joined has increased their point total in league play by more than 10 points (yes even Barca). Every single team that he has left has decreased their points total (yes even Inter when they got 5-6 starting players for the 70M ove-pricetag). He's also going to be the first player in Ligue 1's 80-year history to score seven goals in six matches. Previous record was six goals. | ||
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WhiZ
Sweden853 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:35 Pandemona wrote: I disagree immensly with you. Main reason, Lavezzi is the best player in PSG, and if he isn't and Ibra is getting all the praise, then Lavezzi made an idiot move. what.. are u high? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Ibra is out of games more than he is in games for me and has never produced on the world stage (champs league/international tournaments) Lavezzi has just started playing international football and has always got that pass in him to win games. By far a crazily talented player who performs more. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
The record is surprising given how many great strikers have played in ligue 1 just in recent history. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28682 Posts
adding "by far" just makes it harder to actually think you are serious. but maybe, due to being english, you've pretty much only seen ibrahimovic vs english teams, where it is true that he's been kinda bad in general, but this is just sample size. If I'm being as negative as possible towards ibrahimovic then he's still a top 5 forward/striker in the world. and I've seen people with more football understanding and knowledge than myself put him on the same level as cronaldo. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
You have become so boring and spiteful mate, really. Countless comments saying messi that, barca this. You are very close in winning my report, just so you know. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 16 2012 03:00 Pandemona wrote: No, by far Lavezzi is the best player in PSG and the best signing they made. He was on the cards for Chelsea and Man City. He and Cavanni spear headed a great Napoli side, Cavanni hasn't been the same since. Ibra is out of games more than he is in games for me and has never produced on the world stage (champs league/international tournaments) Lavezzi has just started playing international football and has always got that pass in him to win games. By far a crazily talented player who performs more. Just because Lavezzi and Co mauled Chelsea one game doesnt even bring him close to Ibra. Ibra is on a whole other level and then some.. Not that I think he is legit carrying but I'd say averaging a goal a game in WCQ and more than a goal a game if you add friendlys for the calender year is pretty carry worthy considering the players around him. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Pele once said, in an interview; "until Messi helps Argentina wins a world cup, he cannot be considered great" which in some cases is true. Pele became great by winning world cups for Brazil, Maradonna became a god by winning world cup for Argentina by himself. The point im trying to make is Lavezzi is not just this one game wonder, i keep pointing back to it due to the fact it was a big game, big stage. Someone tell me the last time Ibra set up 2 and scored 1 in a last 16 tie in champions league? He goes none exsitant in the big games on the big stages, thus he cannot be dubbed anywhere close to Messi and Ronaldo, they are leagues ahead of any other player on the planet (imo) I need to see more stats for me to see Ibra as a world beater/world class or ahead of people like Rooney/Benzema/Higuain types. Of course i respect everyone's opinion, but i really do think PSGs best peice of buisness value wise and talent wise was Lavezzi  | ||
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TS-Rupbar
Sweden1089 Posts
On November 16 2012 07:21 Pandemona wrote: Yeh but this "wonder goal" he scored yesterday does not make him an awesome player over night. Scoring 4 past a crap England team (the first team not much better tbh) and not doing anything club level apart from domestically (and not in England, arguably the hardest league physically for a striker, maybe bundesliga too) and not do anything internationally makes him an average, match winning player not a world beater. Rooney falls into the same category of Ibra for me. Pele once said, in an interview; "until Messi helps Argentina wins a world cup, he cannot be considered great" which in some cases is true. Pele became great by winning world cups for Brazil, Maradonna became a god by winning world cup for Argentina by himself. The point im trying to make is Lavezzi is not just this one game wonder, i keep pointing back to it due to the fact it was a big game, big stage. Someone tell me the last time Ibra set up 2 and scored 1 in a last 16 tie in champions league? He goes none exsitant in the big games on the big stages, thus he cannot be dubbed anywhere close to Messi and Ronaldo, they are leagues ahead of any other player on the planet (imo) I need to see more stats for me to see Ibra as a world beater/world class or ahead of people like Rooney/Benzema/Higuain types. Of course i respect everyone's opinion, but i really do think PSGs best peice of buisness value wise and talent wise was Lavezzi Ibrahimovic scored the most goals in the Italian league last season. He's done it once before in 2008 as well. I don't understand how you can say that he's a "one game wonder" lol. Also, how is he supposed to win anything internationally with the Swedish national team? Isn't "carrying" a national team by yourself enough of a statement of one's greatness anyway? Lastly, how is being in a Champion's League final not "doing anything"? If you saw Sweden against Germany coming back to 4-4 from 0-4, you wouldn't say that Zlatan "goes non exsitant in the big games on the big stages". | ||
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sharkie
Austria18443 Posts
On November 16 2012 06:28 Steveling wrote: Whenever the discussion has derailed into bashing messi and/or barca I know I will see sharkie somewhere expressing his hate. You have become so boring and spiteful mate, really. Countless comments saying messi that, barca this. You are very close in winning my report, just so you know. hahaha, go read my last two posts and tell me where I am hating on Messi Its true that I dont like him, but what did I do this time lol | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Zlatan has an history of not performing well in the most important matches, everyone knows that. He never won the CL right? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 16 2012 08:08 Salteador Neo wrote: Are you saying that friendly game was a big stage? Zlatan has an history of not performing well in the most important matches, everyone knows that. He never won the CL right? Look I agree hes perhaps not the biggest game player ever, and thats partly because when you rely on winning games by yourself alot of the time good defenses and good teams in general will have no problem. Still the fact that he can pretty much manhandle most top flight league defenses on his own (and has) still means his ability and talent are not questionable. I wouldnt take him if I were building a team that wants to win in Europe but many would and thats not because hes not a top 5 or even top 3 player (let alone striker) in the game. Its just because good teams shouldnt and dont need players who think they are going to win games by themselves. But if you dont have the kind of audacity Ibra has you dont do the things he does in competitive games either. So its still a treat to watch if at times infuriating. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On November 16 2012 07:53 TS-Rupbar wrote: Ibrahimovic scored the most goals in the Italian league last season. He's done it once before in 2008 as well. I don't understand how you can say that he's a "one game wonder" lol. Also, how is he supposed to win anything internationally with the Swedish national team? Isn't "carrying" a national team by yourself enough of a statement of one's greatness anyway? Lastly, how is being in a Champion's League final not "doing anything"? If you saw Sweden against Germany coming back to 4-4 from 0-4, you wouldn't say that Zlatan "goes non exsitant in the big games on the big stages". Are you saying Ibra has reached a Champions League final? Because he hasn't. His best result was a semi-final with Barcelona. He was still playing at Ajax the year Juventus reached the champions league and left Inter the year they won the champions league. Like rebs said there is a limit to how far a single player can carry his team in Europe. He's terrific if you want to win the league though, he basically made Mancini look like a decent manager and that is a big compliment | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On November 16 2012 20:16 Ysellian wrote: Are you saying Ibra has reached a Champions League final? Because he hasn't. His best result was a semi-final with Barcelona. He was still playing at Ajax the year Juventus reached the champions league and left Inter the year they won the champions league. Like rebs said there is a limit to how far a single player can carry his team in Europe. He's terrific if you want to win the league though, he basically made Mancini look like a decent manager and that is a big compliment Haha best comment so far!! | ||
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