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IgnE
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MtlGuitarist97
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IgnE
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Whey in particular is worth the extra money. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20010 Posts
On June 12 2014 17:28 ShadeR wrote: Steroids in my protein powder?? FUCKING VALUE LOL ROFL On June 12 2014 16:30 IgnE wrote: Where do you come from? Are you like a diet advice cicada? Can't get big eating beans. Potatoes get you big if you are eating a steak with them. No evidence that animal protein is hard on normal functioning kidneys. Pics/video or it didn't happen. Seriously. Just when I think he's gone he comes back randomly to spread information +1 for no science behind animal protein being hard on kidneys unless you already have kidney damage. On June 12 2014 16:37 Mango wrote: First part is correct though, around 60% of internet based protein contains traces of forbidden products. Be carefull in what you order online and do some research first. Second part I would love to see some sources on as well, ridiculous as far as I know. I have never had internet based protein. I usually have whey based. On June 12 2014 19:05 marvellosity wrote: This might be a silly question, but how are you supposed to tell in advance which are crap and which aren't? just read around? Well most of us post information backed by peer reviewed studies, SJPhoto just spews whatever bullshit he wants to and refuses to back it up with any sources while creating straw man arguments and what not https://labdoor.com/rankings/protein Give this a read, they tested 50 protein powders for purity, nutritional value, actual content, etc. | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On June 12 2014 17:28 ShadeR wrote: Steroids in my protein powder?? FUCKING VALUE LOL This discussion was made worth it by this comment alone. | ||
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autoexec
United States530 Posts
On June 12 2014 17:28 ShadeR wrote: Steroids in my protein powder?? FUCKING VALUE LOL Exactly. What dumbass thinks that a manufacturer would put something more expensive in their protein powder instead of just putting protein? | ||
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IgnE
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SjPhotoGrapher
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On June 13 2014 07:29 autoexec wrote: Exactly. What dumbass thinks that a manufacturer would put something more expensive in their protein powder instead of just putting protein? You don't know much about marketing do you? If a supplement company puts steroids in their protein powders the people using them will notice a drastic difference from using their supplement thus increasing the reputation and people advising others to use their protein powder due to how good it is...... Also, oral prescription steroids provided by a doctor are cheap (haven't you ever been prescribed those steroid pills when you had allergies or pain/asthma?) I'm going to ignore Igne and the other posters quoting me as they try to undermine my points and fail at doing so. For example I said the damage from a high protein damage might take many years to show up as the detection for immediate kidney damage from tests might not show a positive just like how early signs of atherosclerosis a long with other diseases are undetectable until they get bad enough to be detected..... Theres nothing wrong with eating meat once in a blue moon but those that eat meat and/or dairy in high quantity's on a daily basis are ignorant in my opinion as meat & dairy contains hardly any nutrition at all...... Wheres the potassium, magnesium, vitamin C, B Vitamins, magnese, Phosphorus, and tons of paranoids and anti oxidents in steak and other meats??? The only thing that meat has on pure foods that come from earth such as vegetables and fruits is protein. Sweet potatoes are loaded with Vitamin A and protein can be obtained from beans, nuts, and starchy vegetables so what's the point in consuming all of that cholesterol and fat from meat when you don't need it? (It's also as expensive as hell if you want organic meat that is not contaminated with steroids and other junk.). Can someone please educate me on what I'm missing from not eating meat or dairy on a daily basis? (I don't even crave it.) | ||
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IgnE
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On June 13 2014 10:30 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: You don't know much about marketing do you? If a supplement company puts steroids in their protein powders the people using them will notice a drastic difference from using their supplement thus increasing the reputation and people advising others to use their protein powder due to how good it is...... Also, oral prescription steroids provided by a doctor are cheap (haven't you ever been prescribed those steroid pills when you had allergies or pain/asthma?) I'm going to ignore Igne and the other posters quoting me as they try to undermine my points and fail at doing so. For example I said the damage from a high protein damage might take many years to show up as the detection for immediate kidney damage from tests might not show a positive just like how early signs of atherosclerosis a long with other diseases are undetectable until they get bad enough to be detected..... Theres nothing wrong with eating meat once in a blue moon but those that eat meat and/or dairy in high quantity's on a daily basis are ignorant in my opinion as meat & dairy contains hardly any nutrition at all...... Wheres the potassium, magnesium, vitamin C, B Vitamins, magnese, Phosphorus, and tons of paranoids and anti oxidents in steak and other meats??? The only thing that meat has on pure foods that come from earth such as vegetables and fruits is protein. Sweet potatoes are loaded with Vitamin A and protein can be obtained from beans, nuts, and starchy vegetables so what's the point in consuming all of that cholesterol and fat from meat when you don't need it? (It's also as expensive as hell if you want organic meat that is not contaminated with steroids and other junk.). Can someone please educate me on what I'm missing from not eating meat or dairy on a daily basis? (I don't even crave it.) Well when you want protein to build muscles then you eat meat. If you aren't lifting you probably shouldn't be eating as much meat as someone who is. No one is saying don't eat fruits and vegetables. Kidney function has nothing to do with the development of atherosclerosis in arteries. You can stop drawing flawed parallels now. Liver and organ meats have a lot of vitamins and minerals. What's a "paranoid"? I get the feeling you have at best a high school science background. | ||
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autoexec
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On June 13 2014 10:30 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Also, oral prescription steroids provided by a doctor are cheap (haven't you ever been prescribed those steroid pills when you had allergies or pain/asthma?) Corticosteroids are different than anabolic steroids? lol | ||
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farvacola
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IgnE
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SjPhotoGrapher
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On June 13 2014 11:00 IgnE wrote: Well when you want protein to build muscles then you eat meat. If you aren't lifting you probably shouldn't be eating as much meat as someone who is. No one is saying don't eat fruits and vegetables. Kidney function has nothing to do with the development of atherosclerosis in arteries. You can stop drawing flawed parallels now. Liver and organ meats have a lot of vitamins and minerals. What's a "paranoid"? I get the feeling you have at best a high school science background. On June 13 2014 11:07 autoexec wrote: Corticosteroids are different than anabolic steroids? lol I'm sure that anabolic steroids are available in pill form as well......there are a bunch of articles showing that a lot of protein powders have or had steroids in them..... Who eat's liver and organ meat? I don't know of anyone that eat's that meat yet still, it is very high in cholesterol and you would get way more minerals/nutrients/flavanoids and other undiscovered things that are good for the body in fruits and vegetables....... Also, does it really matter if I don't have greater than a HS education in science? The world's smartest people never even went to college and are all self educated. College in the US is a joke and is there primarily to make the colleges money not to mention practically everyone and their mother goes to college anymore (they hand out degrees like they are candy as well from what I've heard as you don't even need to go to college at all to get a honorary degree.....) so a college education ='s a joke (at least to me). Also, I meant to type flavanoids and spell check changed it to paranoids lol. Also, you're missing my point yet again or blatantly ignoring it because you know you're wrong on the point that very very mild kidney damage can not be detected just like a build up of plaque in the artery's can not be detected over a span of years. Both are only detected until their later stages when you start to develop real problems like stage 1 renal failure or heart disease. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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mordek
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On June 13 2014 11:07 farvacola wrote: I've just stumbled onto this thread, and boy is it funny. I'm guessing you've only seen the tip of the iceberg so far XD | ||
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phyre112
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On June 13 2014 14:20 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: I'm sure that anabolic steroids are available in pill form as well......there are a bunch of articles showing that a lot of protein powders have or had steroids in them..... Link one. Link a single one from a reputable lab. On June 13 2014 14:20 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who eat's liver and organ meat? I don't know of anyone that eat's that meat yet still, it is very high in cholesterol and you would get way more minerals/nutrients/flavanoids and other undiscovered things that are good for the body in fruits and vegetables....... And again, no one has said you shouldn't eat fruits/vegetables. No one is telling you to be a pure carnivore. You're the only one advocating for a restricted diet here. On June 13 2014 14:20 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Also, does it really matter if I don't have greater than a HS education in science? The world's smartest people never even went to college and are all self educated. I'm not so sure about that statement, but I'll let it slide. Self educating is fine, so long as you're actually educated. You're making basic mistakes that make it sound as if you don't understand the topic of biology. The term "steroid" in chemistry refers to a particular arrangement of carbon rings - technically, cholesterol is a steroid, because it has this arrangement. Typically in biology, it refers to the signaling hormones that are derived from cholesterol - yes, cholesterol has a use in the body. That's why you naturally make it. Corticosteroids (or glucocorticoids) are the drug you're given at for asthma, allergies, and autoimmune disease because they actually suppress the immune system. They're entirely unrelated to anabolic steroids (testosterone and other similar or derived drugs) other than the fact that they are both synthesized from cholesterol and contain that particular set of carbon rings. On June 13 2014 14:20 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: College in the US is a joke and is there primarily to make the colleges money not to mention practically everyone and their mother goes to college anymore (they hand out degrees like they are candy as well from what I've heard as you don't even need to go to college at all to get a honorary degree.....) so a college education ='s a joke (at least to me). Honorary degree is not a real degree. It's a way for a university to recognize/honor someone who has done something particularly awesome, usually in the field of human rights. On June 13 2014 14:20 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Also, I meant to type flavanoids and spell check changed it to paranoids lol. Also, you're missing my point yet again or blatantly ignoring it because you know you're wrong on the point that very very mild kidney damage can not be detected just like a build up of plaque in the artery's can not be detected over a span of years. Both are only detected until their later stages when you start to develop real problems like stage 1 renal failure or heart disease. User was temp banned for this post. That's why studies are conducted following particular individuals for many (20+) years. That's why meta analysis are performed, to catch trends that won't show up in a single study. But anyway, I'll bite. Here's a list of things that cause kidney damage: 0. Genetic factors 1. Autoimmune disease 2. rhabdomyolysis 3. Hypertension 4. Diabetes 5. Anemia or other sources of chronic hypoxemia 6. infections 7. Illicit drug use 8. NSAIDs 9. The orthostatic change caused by the increased blood protein of eating meat. These are just off the top of my head. I'm going to go ahead and say that as far as concern levels go over damage to kidneys, eating meat barely makes the list, let alone sits at the top of it. | ||
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AutoEngineer
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Schwopzi
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On June 19 2014 12:01 phyre112 wrote: Link one. Link a single one from a reputable lab. Gonna play a bit of devil's advocate here. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2439524/ Testosterone undecanoate partially takes an absorption route through the lymphatic system, allowing it to bypass the first-pass mechanism and actually be active. So it -could- be done. But if you do just a tiny bit of research before you buy your whey from some shady dealer you should be more then fine. | ||
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IgnE
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On June 28 2014 19:26 Schwopzi wrote: Gonna play a bit of devil's advocate here. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2439524/ Testosterone undecanoate partially takes an absorption route through the lymphatic system, allowing it to bypass the first-pass mechanism and actually be active. So it -could- be done. But if you do just a tiny bit of research before you buy your whey from some shady dealer you should be more then fine. I don't think the fact that it could be done is at issue. | ||
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Adrian_mx
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mordek
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On July 03 2014 11:34 Adrian_mx wrote: Hey gents, Im looking for a guide or something to start my diet with. I weigh 182 lbs and im 5'11, Im trying to lean out as its mostly fat than muscle but I want to still gain muscle without losing anything if that makes sense Best bet is to read the stickies. Start and stick to a decent strength program, eat lots of protein, avoid extra empty calories (simple carbs that aren't benefiting you beyond calories added). Track your calories. | ||
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