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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-03 15:04:53
July 03 2014 15:00 GMT
#1601
So I've been lifting and dieting for exactly a month now with a starting strength program and using mfp to keep track of calories. I've probably had about 3-4 days max of not sticking to my macros. My numbers have gone up significantly and I definitely look buffer, but I've maintained pretty much the exact same weight and around the same bodyfat % despite eating at a slight deficit. A lot of the calorie consumption calculators are confusing since on rest days I'm pretty much standing/sitting the whole time but I am lifting 3 times a week, so I'm not sure what to put for activity level. I'm wondering if I've actually been eating at maintenance the whole time despite thinking I'm eating 300 calories under. I still have a layer of fat that seemed to have stayed pretty much the same on top of the bulk.

Also, how much should I increase consumption on lift days? I've been told around 500 calories. I usually just do a standard 3-4 exercise strength training workout with very little cardio for warm up. Is there a way to calculate how many calories I'm actually burning? Thanks.

Edit: Currently 6 ft, 199 lbs as of yesterday. I use a handheld bf% device, which I set to athlete level activity, and at the beginning I was around 17-18%, now at around 15.5%. I've been eating 2100 ish calories per day, 2500 on lift days. According to mfp, my maintenance is 2400. My carb macro varies day by day, I don't keep good track, but I make sure to get at least 130g of protein, often more per day. Eating a lot of fruits and vegetables.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 03 2014 15:10 GMT
#1602
If you've been diligent for a month and don't feel like you look any different (pictures are helpful) just adjust your calories down, at least on rest days. If you keep tracking the same, the further deficit should start to impact your bf%. Like you said it's possible you've been at maintenance despite cutting 300 cals from where you thought you need to. Just adjust again. The important thing is to give that a month again, you don't want to keep switching it up every week as you won't be able to account for all the variability.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
July 03 2014 15:31 GMT
#1603
On July 04 2014 00:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
So I've been lifting and dieting for exactly a month now with a starting strength program and using mfp to keep track of calories. I've probably had about 3-4 days max of not sticking to my macros. My numbers have gone up significantly and I definitely look buffer, but I've maintained pretty much the exact same weight and around the same bodyfat % despite eating at a slight deficit. A lot of the calorie consumption calculators are confusing since on rest days I'm pretty much standing/sitting the whole time but I am lifting 3 times a week, so I'm not sure what to put for activity level. I'm wondering if I've actually been eating at maintenance the whole time despite thinking I'm eating 300 calories under. I still have a layer of fat that seemed to have stayed pretty much the same on top of the bulk.

Also, how much should I increase consumption on lift days? I've been told around 500 calories. I usually just do a standard 3-4 exercise strength training workout with very little cardio for warm up. Is there a way to calculate how many calories I'm actually burning? Thanks.

Edit: Currently 6 ft, 199 lbs as of yesterday. I use a handheld bf% device, which I set to athlete level activity, and at the beginning I was around 17-18%, now at around 15.5%. I've been eating 2100 ish calories per day, 2500 on lift days. According to mfp, my maintenance is 2400. My carb macro varies day by day, I don't keep good track, but I make sure to get at least 130g of protein, often more per day. Eating a lot of fruits and vegetables.


If you've lost 3% bodyfat at 200 lbs thats 6 lbs of fat, and if you maintained the same weight that means you've put on 6 lbs of muscle, about 1.5 per week which is about the expected rate, so keep it up you're doing well.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 03 2014 15:58 GMT
#1604
So does that mean it will take 2-3 more months for my bf to go down to about 10-11% ish?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
July 03 2014 16:01 GMT
#1605
Body fat loss isn't linear so that's difficult to predict.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
July 04 2014 19:26 GMT
#1606
On July 04 2014 00:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
So does that mean it will take 2-3 more months for my bf to go down to about 10-11% ish?

Almost definitely yes longer than 2. Amateur bodybuilders (who've been doing this a lot longer than you and have much more muscle mass) often give themselves two months to go from 15 to 10%.

BMR calculators aren't always right for everyone. They're based on formulas, and you're a person, not a machine so the formula doesn't always fit right. If you don't think anything's changed, adjust down 300-500 calories and give that two weeks to a month to see if anything is different.

By handheld bodyfat device, I'm going to guess you mean a bioelectric impedance calculator. Those machines are all but useless - you can take a reading on them five times in the same day and get five different answers. Get a set of calipers or (better idea) just take a picture every two weeks and compare them.

zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
July 23 2014 11:26 GMT
#1607
Man tracking diet is annoying. If you get your intake from a variety of sources (eating out, work cafeteria, home cooked) it's either grossly inaccurate or insane micro management. Or both.

Still it's nice to have some data to base diet decision on.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 29 2014 23:57 GMT
#1608
I'm starting to take whey gold and animal cuts, should I be on a multi-vitamin or something like animal pak too?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
July 30 2014 04:25 GMT
#1609
multi vits are cool. No need to shell out for animal pak (i assume that it's a pre packaged assortment of vitamins sold by animal) unless you want to.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
October 26 2014 14:56 GMT
#1610
So I'm after what some of your favorite things to eat are so that there's stuff I can add into my own eating.

So I have done a whole load of spring cleaning over the least year with cutting out as much processed food as possible. The only things left are wholemeal wraps (soo convenient for work), some breaded chicken things (for emergencies), and scotch eggs (SOOO DELICIOUS). Other stuff on it's way out is white pasta, which will be traded for brown pasta when I can find some. Other examples are:

Swapped out potatoes for sweet potatoes / cauliflower mash instead.
Lots of fresh veg and grapes (most fruit too sweet)
Bread is gone.
Last tub of ice cream was finished yesterday and is not coming back.
If / when fish fingers & breaded chicken things in the freezer get eaten they aren't coming back (they've been there 2 months already, might never disappear).

What do you love to eat that's also awesome for you?
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
October 26 2014 16:54 GMT
#1611
Can someone explain to me why bread and past are considered bad ? (I'm seriously asking, don't take this as trolling or being provocative ). I'm from Italy, so pasta and bread are both quite fundamental in my everyday diet (and it never occurred to me that those could be bad.. a dish of pasta with a good dressing -tomato sauce well prepared- seems healthy.. ?)
My life for Aiur !
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
October 26 2014 17:10 GMT
#1612
One meal does not a diet make.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
October 27 2014 04:37 GMT
#1613
On October 27 2014 01:54 VHbb wrote:
Can someone explain to me why bread and past are considered bad ? (I'm seriously asking, don't take this as trolling or being provocative ). I'm from Italy, so pasta and bread are both quite fundamental in my everyday diet (and it never occurred to me that those could be bad.. a dish of pasta with a good dressing -tomato sauce well prepared- seems healthy.. ?)


It's fine in moderation and if your body doesn't react poorly with it. Some people have a hard time digesting gluten products. There's also generally better sources of nutrition that are less processed than pasta/bread.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
October 27 2014 13:33 GMT
#1614
On October 27 2014 01:54 VHbb wrote:
Can someone explain to me why bread and past are considered bad ? (I'm seriously asking, don't take this as trolling or being provocative ). I'm from Italy, so pasta and bread are both quite fundamental in my everyday diet (and it never occurred to me that those could be bad.. a dish of pasta with a good dressing -tomato sauce well prepared- seems healthy.. ?)

In addition to what others have said I would suggest to you to just try different diets. In my student years I basically also lived off pasta and bread, and pizza. I cut all that almost completely from my diet (except for some bread) and I just feel a lot better when I am eating clean like that.

For example last week I was in Italy and eating pasta every day made me feel really gross. Just give it a try.
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Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
October 27 2014 19:13 GMT
#1615
I eat tons of pasta and bread. I don't care what anyone says, never in my life am i eating another bowl of oats or brown rice, a year of that was enough. I'm on 4-4.5k calories a day, you know how much goddamn oats and brown rice it takes to hit my carbs? A fuckton is how much.
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
October 29 2014 16:14 GMT
#1616
4,5k Calories? Good god, are you a professional bodybuilder? Or maybe even a real weight lifter?

I get nauseated even thinking about that...
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
October 29 2014 17:01 GMT
#1617
On October 30 2014 01:14 SixStrings wrote:
4,5k Calories? Good god, are you a professional bodybuilder? Or maybe even a real weight lifter?

I get nauseated even thinking about that...


I'm fairly big (123kg at 18ish% bf, 195cm), lift 6 times a week, fairly physically demanding part-time job, and do a bit of cardio. It adds up quick. I'm not a bodybuilder or even super strong though

I do not enjoy eating this much, but I don't make them gainz otherwise. Gotta get those. Want to compete at powerlifting (first meet planned) and I want to be comfortably middle of the pack in the unrestricted weight class, still a bit light weight for that.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 29 2014 17:50 GMT
#1618
I had to eat close to 4k daily to put on weight at 77kg
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
October 29 2014 19:12 GMT
#1619
Oh, I think I eat about a thousand, maybe 1,2k, plus another 500 from alcohol.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
October 29 2014 19:17 GMT
#1620
Bulking for me is like 5-6k, fucking chore. I probably average 3-4k these days.

On October 30 2014 04:12 SixStrings wrote:
Oh, I think I eat about a thousand, maybe 1,2k, plus another 500 from alcohol.


theres no way...a thousand is about maintenance for an 80 pound girl that lies in bed all day.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
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