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On October 30 2014 04:17 decafchicken wrote:Bulking for me is like 5-6k, fucking chore. I probably average 3-4k these days. Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 04:12 SixStrings wrote:
Oh, I think I eat about a thousand, maybe 1,2k, plus another 500 from alcohol. theres no way...a thousand is about maintenance for an 80 pound girl that lies in bed all day.
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On October 09 2013 04:32 SixStrings wrote:
I think I need some advice as well, here we go:
I went from 90 to 65 kilos pretty quickly, at then down to ~62 within about a year.
Now I started working out more, because I felt chubby, but I started gaining weight frighteningly quickly.
Though I'm virtually starving myself every other day, I'm quickly shooting up towards 70kg again...
I eat around 2000 calories on days I can work out and ~1000 if I can't.
Looking at that comic, I think I'm between the 20% and the 25% guy, much less when I was able to hold 62~ kg.
Obviously not bulking so don't be surprised when bigger guys are trying to put on weight and eat that much 
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That sounds like serious metabolic damage to me.
Dude is pretty small, but 1500 average intake with excercise is madness. Or is it 1000 now? That is not healthy at all.
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It's not as bad as it sounds, really. I eat really healthy now, two eggs and a piece of fruit for breakfast, veggies, a cup of rice and lean chicken breast for lunch, sometimes I go nuts with nuts.
So it's all very nutritious calories. I reckon 1000 calories of the stuff I eat are more filling than 2000 calories worth of crisps and soda.
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On October 30 2014 21:49 SixStrings wrote:
It's not as bad as it sounds, really. I eat really healthy now, two eggs and a piece of fruit for breakfast, veggies, a cup of rice and lean chicken breast for lunch, sometimes I go nuts with nuts.
So it's all very nutritious calories. I reckon 1000 calories of the stuff I eat are more filling than 2000 calories worth of crisps and soda.
Healthy =/= quantity. Yes you're getting more nutrients than a shitty diet and that's good for your health, but a calorie is a unit of energy. Your body needs fuel.
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I'm no doctor but I'm pretty sure your body needs power to maintain your organs and stuff, take care man.
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Your brain alone burns like 300 calories a day.
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I'm quite sure that back when I weighed ~60kg I was eating ~1000 calories a day. When I started lifting I added 30 pounds in 3 months, just by eating 2-2.2k per day, so that seems consistent. If sixstrings is shorter or less active than I am/was, those numbers could certainly be accurate for weighing in the higher 60s.
I'm slowly gaining weight on 2.8k per day or maybe less right now at 85kg. Not really keeping a strict count lately. I was 200 (and pushing 16-17% bf, never ever getting fat like that again, ew) at 3.4k last winter.
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On October 31 2014 17:05 phyre112 wrote:
I'm quite sure that back when I weighed ~60kg I was eating ~1000 calories a day. When I started lifting I added 30 pounds in 3 months, just by eating 2-2.2k per day, so that seems consistent. If sixstrings is shorter or less active than I am/was, those numbers could certainly be accurate for weighing in the higher 60s.
I weigh mid-high 60s and my maintenance is about 2500/600, so I really don't think this is the case. Even given I exercise 3 times a week, that doesn't create that differential
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On October 31 2014 19:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 17:05 phyre112 wrote:
I'm quite sure that back when I weighed ~60kg I was eating ~1000 calories a day. When I started lifting I added 30 pounds in 3 months, just by eating 2-2.2k per day, so that seems consistent. If sixstrings is shorter or less active than I am/was, those numbers could certainly be accurate for weighing in the higher 60s.
I weigh mid-high 60s and my maintenance is about 2500/600, so I really don't think this is the case. Even given I exercise 3 times a week, that doesn't create that differential
My maintenance is around 2700/2800 and i weigh 95kg and lift everyday. Metabolic rate seems to vary a lot between individuals, so I don't think it's impossible he's maintaining weight at 1000k calories, or slightly more. Probably slightly more because people always miss some small stuff.
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I don't think its impossible to maintain at 1000, but only when you have done serious metabolic damage by starving yourself for a prolonged period of time. Maintaining at 1000 is very concerning because your body is most likely not doing everything that it should be, like fully powering all your organs, produce all hormones etc etc.1000 calories is jut not enough to keep an adult human healthy.
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To be fair, exercising seems to give me hundreds extra per day for maintenance, even on the off-days. I dunno, something seems fucked to me if maintenance is 1000-1200.
edit: ninjad, what Crush said.
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Hey guys, I've been lifting for about eight weeks. 157 lbs., 5'11", about 12% body fat. I'm trying to eat about 3000 calories a day while following the Leangains program, but it's difficult for me to hit that mark on my workout days because I'm supposed to avoid fats. I don't have a problem getting the required amount of protein, but it seems nearly impossible for me to eat that many calories without much fat, especially with my work schedule. I'd have to cram in about 1800 calories basically in one meal, around 7 PM each day, and "clean" foods just fill me up too quickly.
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Why are you avoiding fats?
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Leangains (http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html) says to minimize fat intake on workout days. I don't avoid fats on rest days.
Has anybody here tried that program? It's quite arduous for me to have to plan my meals so carefully. I'm wondering whether it's worth it for a novice.
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If you are under a BMI of 25 you need to eat anything and everything to gain weight. You shouldn't be following leangains if you don't already have a muscle base. If you are lighter than 185 you need to be eating your favorite foods as often as you can and bringing intensity to the gym on every planned gym day.
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On November 05 2014 04:29 Eclipsing Binary wrote:
Leangains (http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html) says to minimize fat intake on workout days. I don't avoid fats on rest days.
Has anybody here tried that program? It's quite arduous for me to have to plan my meals so carefully. I'm wondering whether it's worth it for a novice.
A number of people here are/were on IF/LG. Martin Berkhan is into Starcraft btw and even used to post in this thread, or rather in one of the previous years'
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On November 05 2014 06:08 IgnE wrote:
If you are under a BMI of 25 you need to eat anything and everything to gain weight. You shouldn't be following leangains if you don't already have a muscle base. If you are lighter than 185 you need to be eating your favorite foods as often as you can and bringing intensity to the gym on every planned gym day.
Fuck no. I've never had a BMI of 25 in my life - the highest I've ever been was a 24.3, and doing that meant I got up to like 18% body fat. I'd rather be small for the rest of my life than even consider getting that fat again. I'll agree that leangains probably isnt the right plan, but unrestricted bulking is even less of a good idea.
A BMI of 25 or higher is a good eventual goal, but take your time hitting it. There's no reason to get fat along the way.
I also don't have any "favorite foods" to eat, but that's beside the point.
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Just checked what 25 bmi would be for me at 5'10": 175 lbs, which was already my exact goal weight. I'm weak for now but eventually I'd like to compete in the 77 kg class for weightlifting, even if just locally, so 175 would be a few lbs over for easy cutting range.
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I have a BMI of like 31 and I'm not fat. I think you are bringing a lot of gains-destroying fat phobia into the thread phyre. Fact is most dudes do not eat nearly enough. If you aren't at a BMI of 25 and you are trying to put on muscle you need to eat everything you will eat while maintaining high protein intake, 1g/lb of LBM you want. If someone is 5'10" 175 lbs and almost 20% bodyfat you just don't have very much muscle. Something somewhere else is going wrong if you think you've been training consistently for a year or more. If you are just getting into lifting at those stats you obviously are eating enough, you just haven't been training, so it's ok to be a bit stricter in the diet while trying to put on muscle.
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