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Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
October 04 2011 22:08 GMT
#12501
Ankle pain is back...can still walk normally but I'm worried.

How much pain should you have from an injury before you push back/cancel a workout?

Today is a rest day, and tomorrow is squats ohp row day. I have all day off tomorrow so I've got plenty of time for icing and stretching before I work out.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 04 2011 22:23 GMT
#12502
On October 04 2011 10:54 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:43 eshlow wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:22 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Motherfucking squats. I took a 3 day break and the pain dulled a bit in my legs. I managed to do a few sets instead of 1 rep this time but my legs still feel like a knife is cutting the tendons, the pain is so SHARP.

To be more specific, the only part of my legs that hurt is in the groin area, so the upper inner thighs section. The weight of the squat doesn't bother me, and even if I go down in weight I feel like it will be the same pain.



Is this a stretching/flexibility issue where you're going too far down for your muscles to handle?

Or is it soreness?

Or is it an actual injury?
It could be a minor groin strain since I seem to have some of it's symptoms but I don't know how to treat it if it were the case.

I have no problem going down parallel or lower. However, I'm thinking I probably didn't squeeze my glutes very well in my squat sessions which in turn forced me to squeeze with my inner thighs which is bad I think. Do you think that is the cause perhaps?

EDIT: Actually now I'm very sure that it's a groin strain. The causes could be anything from what I mentioned above to not enough adequate warm-up etc etc.

So should I stop doing squats for a week and just lightly do some groin stretches in the mean-time?


Don't stretch strains.

You can do mobility work to the edge of pain, but stretching is a no no.

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/01/on-muscle-strains/
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 04 2011 22:24 GMT
#12503
On October 05 2011 07:08 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Ankle pain is back...can still walk normally but I'm worried.

How much pain should you have from an injury before you push back/cancel a workout?

Today is a rest day, and tomorrow is squats ohp row day. I have all day off tomorrow so I've got plenty of time for icing and stretching before I work out.


I would say never workout in pain.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4733 Posts
October 04 2011 22:33 GMT
#12504
Today:
Front Squat: 120kg 3-3-3-3-3
Overhead Press: 81kg 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3
Push Press: 75kg 5-5-5
DB-Bench Press: 25kg 15-15

This has got to earn the title for the most stupid idea of this week: After 8 heavy sets of OHP, to go for 3 hard sets of Push Presses. Well, how else you gotta learn.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
October 04 2011 23:12 GMT
#12505
lol, nice try though :D
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20141 Posts
October 05 2011 00:03 GMT
#12506
malinor beast shoulder workout T_T

On October 05 2011 07:24 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 07:08 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Ankle pain is back...can still walk normally but I'm worried.

How much pain should you have from an injury before you push back/cancel a workout?

Today is a rest day, and tomorrow is squats ohp row day. I have all day off tomorrow so I've got plenty of time for icing and stretching before I work out.


I would say never workout in pain.


I would argue never workout injured...i often workout through pain :-p
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
October 05 2011 02:45 GMT
#12507
So our d3 rugby team is through to playoffs if we win this weekend... and it's pretty likely that we can do it, considering the school we're playing against.

I really feel like my game has improved a solid bit since I've started playing - I understand quite well what's going on in the field, and I know at least what I should be doing, even if I don't know the best way to go about it. My big handicap though is still my history in sports - even for a basketball player, I was always "soft" inside, and making the switch to full contact sports is crazy. I don't have the "aggression" or the "killer instinct" to make a hard hit. It's not that I'm scared of doing it, it's just that my instinct is "stop the guy with the ball" not "kill the guy with the ball" and in the past that's always just meant "get in front of him and use your hands." It's actually lead to at least three tries in the last two games that I can clearly remember, when a back has beaten me because I didn't commit to a tackle and ended up scoring.

BRB need to get on Roids so that I start tearing people apart.
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
October 05 2011 02:51 GMT
#12508
On October 05 2011 07:23 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:54 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:43 eshlow wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:22 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Motherfucking squats. I took a 3 day break and the pain dulled a bit in my legs. I managed to do a few sets instead of 1 rep this time but my legs still feel like a knife is cutting the tendons, the pain is so SHARP.

To be more specific, the only part of my legs that hurt is in the groin area, so the upper inner thighs section. The weight of the squat doesn't bother me, and even if I go down in weight I feel like it will be the same pain.



Is this a stretching/flexibility issue where you're going too far down for your muscles to handle?

Or is it soreness?

Or is it an actual injury?
It could be a minor groin strain since I seem to have some of it's symptoms but I don't know how to treat it if it were the case.

I have no problem going down parallel or lower. However, I'm thinking I probably didn't squeeze my glutes very well in my squat sessions which in turn forced me to squeeze with my inner thighs which is bad I think. Do you think that is the cause perhaps?

EDIT: Actually now I'm very sure that it's a groin strain. The causes could be anything from what I mentioned above to not enough adequate warm-up etc etc.

So should I stop doing squats for a week and just lightly do some groin stretches in the mean-time?


Don't stretch strains.

You can do mobility work to the edge of pain, but stretching is a no no.

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/01/on-muscle-strains/
Thanks bro, I love thee. I'll update in a week or 2 if my groin strain alleviates.
I <3 Plexa.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
October 05 2011 03:01 GMT
#12509
Just bought starting strength today. Mark says correct squat position is head down. But it seems like everywhere else i've read they want your head up(ex. So you think you can squat youtube series).

which is it?
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 03:20:54
October 05 2011 03:11 GMT
#12510
On October 05 2011 12:01 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
Just bought starting strength today. Mark says correct squat position is head down. But it seems like everywhere else i've read they want your head up(ex. So you think you can squat youtube series).

which is it?


IMO looking straight ahead is best. Even among weightlifting coaches it differs.



Also this is a great article. (also if you ever wondered where romanian deadlifts come from lol)
http://www.cathletics.com/articles/article.php?articleID=47
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
October 05 2011 03:11 GMT
#12511
I look forward/slightly down. Rip's argument is that it's better to keep the spine neutral which makes sense. It's probably intuitively easier to keep the upper back tight looking up. The same thing can be achieved though by "packing the neck" (ie. pretend there's a tennis ball under your chin and you're pushing back with your neck and up with your chest to hold it there) which personally I think helps my own position more. As long as you're not looking up at the roof though you should be right.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20141 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 03:29:20
October 05 2011 03:17 GMT
#12512
On October 05 2011 12:01 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
Just bought starting strength today. Mark says correct squat position is head down. But it seems like everywhere else i've read they want your head up(ex. So you think you can squat youtube series).

which is it?


Either works really, your back is far more important. Looking up is just one way to get people to keep themselves more upright. I mostly just look in front of me.
On October 05 2011 11:45 phyre112 wrote:
So our d3 rugby team is through to playoffs if we win this weekend... and it's pretty likely that we can do it, considering the school we're playing against.

I really feel like my game has improved a solid bit since I've started playing - I understand quite well what's going on in the field, and I know at least what I should be doing, even if I don't know the best way to go about it. My big handicap though is still my history in sports - even for a basketball player, I was always "soft" inside, and making the switch to full contact sports is crazy. I don't have the "aggression" or the "killer instinct" to make a hard hit. It's not that I'm scared of doing it, it's just that my instinct is "stop the guy with the ball" not "kill the guy with the ball" and in the past that's always just meant "get in front of him and use your hands." It's actually lead to at least three tries in the last two games that I can clearly remember, when a back has beaten me because I didn't commit to a tackle and ended up scoring.

BRB need to get on Roids so that I start tearing people apart.

+ Show Spoiler [rant about being angry and loving to h…] +

I didn't use to be angry, i used to just kinda shuffle down the line and hold people up enough long enough for other people to come make the tackle. Trust me you have that switch inside you, something will set it off. Getting scored on because i fucked up is the most infuriating thing ever to me. Someone talks shit to my teammate, i start going for the kill. Someone bites/punches/cleats me, i start hunting. Girl problems? Sucks to be in front of me because i'm going to remove you from existence to make myself feel better. If you have the ball that means my team doesnt. And that makes you my mortal enemy and i'm going to punish you for thinking you can have that ball and get away with it. Once i make that first hit, my whole body comes alive and all i can think about is destroying someone. It's the greatest feeling in the world to know that the man across from you wanted nothing more in the world than to run you over and you dominated him and showed him you're more of a badass. It's something you need to experience yourself. You might have to consciously do it the first couple times, but then it will just become a part of you after that. Literally the next time you see someone coming at you consciously think about jumping at them with your shoulder (make sure you wrap up). I still remember the first game i dumped a kid, just squared up on him, picked him up, and smashed him into the ground. (vs indiana, big 10 tournament last year, sept. 28th i believe. Approximately 3pm). Never looked back.
In summary:
[image loading]

Just watched that and now i'm itching to murder someone. I don't think i'll make it till saturday.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 04:33:20
October 05 2011 04:32 GMT
#12513
back to my old PR of 245lb bench!!! while weighing 20lbs less!!!
(reset to 185lbs in august)
xJupiter9x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
October 05 2011 06:52 GMT
#12514
On October 05 2011 12:17 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 12:01 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
Just bought starting strength today. Mark says correct squat position is head down. But it seems like everywhere else i've read they want your head up(ex. So you think you can squat youtube series).

which is it?


Either works really, your back is far more important. Looking up is just one way to get people to keep themselves more upright. I mostly just look in front of me.
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 11:45 phyre112 wrote:
So our d3 rugby team is through to playoffs if we win this weekend... and it's pretty likely that we can do it, considering the school we're playing against.

I really feel like my game has improved a solid bit since I've started playing - I understand quite well what's going on in the field, and I know at least what I should be doing, even if I don't know the best way to go about it. My big handicap though is still my history in sports - even for a basketball player, I was always "soft" inside, and making the switch to full contact sports is crazy. I don't have the "aggression" or the "killer instinct" to make a hard hit. It's not that I'm scared of doing it, it's just that my instinct is "stop the guy with the ball" not "kill the guy with the ball" and in the past that's always just meant "get in front of him and use your hands." It's actually lead to at least three tries in the last two games that I can clearly remember, when a back has beaten me because I didn't commit to a tackle and ended up scoring.

BRB need to get on Roids so that I start tearing people apart.

+ Show Spoiler [rant about being angry and loving to h…] +

I didn't use to be angry, i used to just kinda shuffle down the line and hold people up enough long enough for other people to come make the tackle. Trust me you have that switch inside you, something will set it off. Getting scored on because i fucked up is the most infuriating thing ever to me. Someone talks shit to my teammate, i start going for the kill. Someone bites/punches/cleats me, i start hunting. Girl problems? Sucks to be in front of me because i'm going to remove you from existence to make myself feel better. If you have the ball that means my team doesnt. And that makes you my mortal enemy and i'm going to punish you for thinking you can have that ball and get away with it. Once i make that first hit, my whole body comes alive and all i can think about is destroying someone. It's the greatest feeling in the world to know that the man across from you wanted nothing more in the world than to run you over and you dominated him and showed him you're more of a badass. It's something you need to experience yourself. You might have to consciously do it the first couple times, but then it will just become a part of you after that. Literally the next time you see someone coming at you consciously think about jumping at them with your shoulder (make sure you wrap up). I still remember the first game i dumped a kid, just squared up on him, picked him up, and smashed him into the ground. (vs indiana, big 10 tournament last year, sept. 28th i believe. Approximately 3pm). Never looked back.
In summary:
[image loading]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZHDFliS6vo&feature=player_embedded
Just watched that and now i'm itching to murder someone. I don't think i'll make it till saturday.

God damn that makes me want to just clean someones clock right now. But it's midnight on a Tuesday and 15 hours til practice. fuck
Steeped
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada87 Posts
October 05 2011 07:28 GMT
#12515
On October 05 2011 07:23 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 10:54 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:43 eshlow wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:22 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Motherfucking squats. I took a 3 day break and the pain dulled a bit in my legs. I managed to do a few sets instead of 1 rep this time but my legs still feel like a knife is cutting the tendons, the pain is so SHARP.

To be more specific, the only part of my legs that hurt is in the groin area, so the upper inner thighs section. The weight of the squat doesn't bother me, and even if I go down in weight I feel like it will be the same pain.



Is this a stretching/flexibility issue where you're going too far down for your muscles to handle?

Or is it soreness?

Or is it an actual injury?
It could be a minor groin strain since I seem to have some of it's symptoms but I don't know how to treat it if it were the case.

I have no problem going down parallel or lower. However, I'm thinking I probably didn't squeeze my glutes very well in my squat sessions which in turn forced me to squeeze with my inner thighs which is bad I think. Do you think that is the cause perhaps?

EDIT: Actually now I'm very sure that it's a groin strain. The causes could be anything from what I mentioned above to not enough adequate warm-up etc etc.

So should I stop doing squats for a week and just lightly do some groin stretches in the mean-time?


Don't stretch strains.

You can do mobility work to the edge of pain, but stretching is a no no.

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/01/on-muscle-strains/

Thanks so much for posting this haha, i recently strained my groin playing football. It happened on sunday and hurt so bad i couldn't sleep when i woke up in the morning i could barely walk and when i looked at my leg there was a gap. The doctors said i might need surgery but so far the meds and keeping it elevated seem to be doing wonders for me.
Nazarene
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Denmark996 Posts
October 05 2011 15:21 GMT
#12516
Coan-Phillipi week 6

1x2 170 kg DL (felt good)
3x3 140 kg speed DL (good speed this time)
3x5 110 kg power shrugs (ez)
3x5 140 kg stiff leg DL (hard to keep tension in the lower back at this weight, will not increase next time)
3x5 85 kg rows (hard but nice)
3x5 55 kg good mornings (:D?)
3x5 24 kg glute ham raises (ez)

Next week is 1x2 180 kg. Last time I could only get 1 rep at 180, but I will be surprised if I cannot do it this time!
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 15:51:53
October 05 2011 15:51 GMT
#12517
On October 05 2011 16:28 Steeped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 07:23 eshlow wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:54 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:43 eshlow wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:22 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Motherfucking squats. I took a 3 day break and the pain dulled a bit in my legs. I managed to do a few sets instead of 1 rep this time but my legs still feel like a knife is cutting the tendons, the pain is so SHARP.

To be more specific, the only part of my legs that hurt is in the groin area, so the upper inner thighs section. The weight of the squat doesn't bother me, and even if I go down in weight I feel like it will be the same pain.



Is this a stretching/flexibility issue where you're going too far down for your muscles to handle?

Or is it soreness?

Or is it an actual injury?
It could be a minor groin strain since I seem to have some of it's symptoms but I don't know how to treat it if it were the case.

I have no problem going down parallel or lower. However, I'm thinking I probably didn't squeeze my glutes very well in my squat sessions which in turn forced me to squeeze with my inner thighs which is bad I think. Do you think that is the cause perhaps?

EDIT: Actually now I'm very sure that it's a groin strain. The causes could be anything from what I mentioned above to not enough adequate warm-up etc etc.

So should I stop doing squats for a week and just lightly do some groin stretches in the mean-time?


Don't stretch strains.

You can do mobility work to the edge of pain, but stretching is a no no.

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/01/on-muscle-strains/

Thanks so much for posting this haha, i recently strained my groin playing football. It happened on sunday and hurt so bad i couldn't sleep when i woke up in the morning i could barely walk and when i looked at my leg there was a gap. The doctors said i might need surgery but so far the meds and keeping it elevated seem to be doing wonders for me.
Ouch bro, that's a much more steep strain then mine. How long do you keep it elevated and how frequently btw?
I <3 Plexa.
Steeped
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada87 Posts
October 05 2011 16:44 GMT
#12518
On October 06 2011 00:51 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 16:28 Steeped wrote:
On October 05 2011 07:23 eshlow wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:54 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:43 eshlow wrote:
On October 04 2011 10:22 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Motherfucking squats. I took a 3 day break and the pain dulled a bit in my legs. I managed to do a few sets instead of 1 rep this time but my legs still feel like a knife is cutting the tendons, the pain is so SHARP.

To be more specific, the only part of my legs that hurt is in the groin area, so the upper inner thighs section. The weight of the squat doesn't bother me, and even if I go down in weight I feel like it will be the same pain.



Is this a stretching/flexibility issue where you're going too far down for your muscles to handle?

Or is it soreness?

Or is it an actual injury?
It could be a minor groin strain since I seem to have some of it's symptoms but I don't know how to treat it if it were the case.

I have no problem going down parallel or lower. However, I'm thinking I probably didn't squeeze my glutes very well in my squat sessions which in turn forced me to squeeze with my inner thighs which is bad I think. Do you think that is the cause perhaps?

EDIT: Actually now I'm very sure that it's a groin strain. The causes could be anything from what I mentioned above to not enough adequate warm-up etc etc.

So should I stop doing squats for a week and just lightly do some groin stretches in the mean-time?


Don't stretch strains.

You can do mobility work to the edge of pain, but stretching is a no no.

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/01/on-muscle-strains/

Thanks so much for posting this haha, i recently strained my groin playing football. It happened on sunday and hurt so bad i couldn't sleep when i woke up in the morning i could barely walk and when i looked at my leg there was a gap. The doctors said i might need surgery but so far the meds and keeping it elevated seem to be doing wonders for me.
Ouch bro, that's a much more steep strain then mine. How long do you keep it elevated and how frequently btw?

Luckily i have an easy job, i sit here and watch sc2 all day basicly haha. I usually have it elevated for about 15 minutes every hour im not sure if this is to much or to little but it feels good to me. I also walk as normal as i can with no limp as long as i dont feel more pain. At the moment its a constant agonizing pain but i can deal with that when i walk just not the sharp shooting ones if i take a bad step haha. Im also thinking of applying heat to it but im not sure if thats advised, i think it would feel nice tho.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
October 05 2011 17:15 GMT
#12519
On October 06 2011 00:21 Nazarene wrote:
Coan-Phillipi week 6

1x2 170 kg DL (felt good)
3x3 140 kg speed DL (good speed this time)
3x5 110 kg power shrugs (ez)
3x5 140 kg stiff leg DL (hard to keep tension in the lower back at this weight, will not increase next time)
3x5 85 kg rows (hard but nice)
3x5 55 kg good mornings (:D?)
3x5 24 kg glute ham raises (ez)

Next week is 1x2 180 kg. Last time I could only get 1 rep at 180, but I will be surprised if I cannot do it this time!


Awesome work! Keep it up, rest and eat well before going into week 7!
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
October 05 2011 18:46 GMT
#12520
Today's workout for me, posting after Nazarene np:

82.5kg squat 5-5-5
67.5kg bench press 5-5-4 (god damnit I wanted that last rep, I fought like a warrior though. Half of the gym was yelling at me)
110kg deadlift 1x5

Squats and deads were easy, bench was crazy heavy. Gonna smash 67.5kg next week and continue loading on my other lifts
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