On May 04 2011 03:01 Sinep wrote:
I had a question. Is it possible to lose muscle mass without losing strength?

say you're cutting and losing weight, but your numbers in all lifts remain unchanged. does that mean guarenteed that muscle loss is not happening?

No, you can still lose muscle mass if you eat hypocalorically and lift heavy albeit slowly

ModernAgeShaman

Norway484 Posts

May 03 2011 20:07 GMT

#4663

No to the first part, or no to the second?

Ohnoes92

Sweden76 Posts

May 03 2011 21:27 GMT

#4664

On May 04 2011 01:27 pyrogenetix wrote:
yea it feels so damn awesome to finally hit 4plate. I remember when I did 3plate and I thought I was absolute ownage, and then wondered if I would ever hit 4plate. but it happened and I am so happy all the hard work got me here. I actually thought I would fail 2nd rep.
thanks for this thread and everyone here. thanks everyone who replied to my vid. hahaha funkie "get money, fuck bitches" I would add "smoke trees".

some more vids of me

90kg x3 Clean
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100kg Clean attempt 1 FAILED
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100kg Clean attempt 2
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form check?

Awesome job, Congratulations!

eshlow

United States5210 Posts

May 03 2011 21:42 GMT

#4665

On May 04 2011 05:07 Sinep wrote:
No to the first part, or no to the second?

Yes, you can lose muscle mass without losing strength. Much easier to do when you're a novice/intermediate though. If you're trying to lose muscle and have a 400 lbs DL and not expect it to go down then you may be expecting a bit much.

Second question depends. There may be muscle mass gain when cutting while numbers stay unchanged or even go up if the person doing it is obese or overweight.

The lower your BF% is the higher chance that your body will shed muscle tissue.... which makes sense when you think about it. So if your numbers are unchanged when this occurs you may be losing muscle and maintaining strength (e.g. getting more neurologically efficient).

You can get more neurologically effieicnt and lose muscle and still have your numbers go down. That's what happens in the 400 lbs case above where you don't have enough BF% and your lifts are alreayd pretty high where the gains in neurological strength are not enough to compensate for the loss is cross sectional area of the muscle.

So basically the answer is it really depends on the genetics of the person and how much BF% they have... (among other factors like sleep, nutrition,etc of course).

Malinor

Germany4734 Posts

May 03 2011 22:34 GMT

#4666

Squat: 165kgx3x5
Deadlift: 170kgx5
Power Clean 40kgx3x4

Funily enough, the last set of squats was the easiest, I got a good bounce in the hole during a couple of reps here. It's basically a speed-thing, if I go down faster, reps get easier. But I have to learn to control it, or it won't end well.
Deadlift was easy, my grip is the weakest link right now I believe. I finally have the bar touching my shins on the way up, the "direct" way up makes it much easier^^.
Power Clean was basically technic training again, lots of work to do here, but at least I don't pussy out anymore.

In the spoiler is my training log

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Starting Strength log

Date	P.Clean	Squat Deadlift	OHP	BO-Row
26.Feb	x	90	90	x	x	
01.Mar	x	95	x	40	50	
03.Mar	x	100	100	x	x	
05.Mar	x	102,5	x	42,5	55	
07.Mar	x	105	105	x	x	
09.Mar	x	107,5	x	45	60	
11.Mar	x	110	110	x	x	
13.Mar	x	112,5	x	50	62,5	
15.Mar	x	115	115	x	x	
17.Mar	x	117,5	x	52,5	65	
19.Mar	x	120	125	x	x	
22.Mar	x	122,5	x	55	67,5	
24.Mar	x	125	130	x	x	
26.Mar	x	127,5	x	57,5	70	
30.Mar	x	130	135	x	x	
01.Apr	x	132,5	x	60	72,5	
03.Apr	x	135	140	x	x	
05.Apr	x	137,5	x	62,5	75	
08.Apr	x	140	145	x	x	
11.Apr	x	142,5	x	63,5	77,5	
13.Apr	x	145	150	x	x	
16.Apr	x	147,5	x	65	80	
19.Apr	x	150	155	x	x	
21.Apr	x	152,5	x	66	81	
23.Apr	x	155	160	x	x	
26.Apr	x	157,5	x	67,5	82,5	
28.Apr	x	160	165	x	x		
30.Apr	20(5x5)	162,5	x	68,5	83,5		
03.Mai	40(3x4)	165	170	x	x		

Squat, OHP and BO-Row 3(Sets)x5(Reps)
Deadlift 1(Set)x5(Reps)
Power Clean 5(Sets)x3(Reps)
Bench not possible because of injury

Necosarius

Sweden4042 Posts

May 03 2011 22:43 GMT

#4667

On May 03 2011 06:33 sJarl wrote:

@Necosarius: what is wrong with your hands? isn't it just something you can fix with chalk, loud music and mixing your grip?

Nothing wrong with them, it just hurts when I got all out

Have to rest a few secs or so in between reps.

Wow Malinor, sick progress :o

decafchicken

United States20154 Posts

May 03 2011 22:48 GMT

#4668

Nice malinor, you could probably out squat me. 165 for three sets of 5 sounds exhausting. I usually do triples around 180 give or take 10kg. I might see what i can do for 3x5 this week. or just max out. its finals week i wanna do something fun lol

Forgot to mention i powersnatched my bodyweight yesterday :D

Might try to utilize this technique due to my long arms:

Definitely going to work on this to work on speed under the bar:

MajinMojo

266 Posts

May 04 2011 00:29 GMT

#4669

Wow that second video actually helped illustrate a lot. I definitely "football clean" and receive the bar with wide feet.

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

May 04 2011 00:34 GMT

#4670

Can't wait for tomorrow. Don't have anything to do, other than stress out about AP calc.

Anabolicqt

United States69 Posts

May 04 2011 00:47 GMT

#4671

Squats 405x3x5 with NO back pain. yay.

decafchicken

United States20154 Posts

May 04 2011 00:54 GMT

#4672

On May 04 2011 09:47 Anabolicqt wrote:
Squats 405x3x5 with NO back pain. yay.

Damn very nice. I haven't done more than a single set of three at 405 :-/

@pyro: nice #'s but remember to keep your back flat! on everything you do, deads,cleans, squats, etc or you'll fuck something up. Keep up the good work

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

May 04 2011 01:12 GMT

#4673

On May 04 2011 09:54 decafchicken wrote:

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lol. That's only over seven times more than my current squat >.>

AoN.DimSum

United States2983 Posts

May 04 2011 02:10 GMT

#4674

decaf you can always widen your hand spacing, but I wouldnt use snatch grip lol.

decafchicken

United States20154 Posts

May 04 2011 02:11 GMT

#4675

hahaha yeah i would never go that wide, but i think i'll bump out a bit more. I usually go thumbs length from the non grippy part of the bar, i'll play with going out a few inches more.

On May 04 2011 10:12 Froadac wrote:

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lol. That's only over seven times more than my current squat >.>

I'm also twice your size and have been working out for years.

Not too long ago funkie wasnt much bigger or stronger than you, now he's a grown ass man ripping 300+ pounds off the ground and squating 265 like a boss. case in point: SS + Eating a shit ton works.

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

May 04 2011 04:22 GMT

#4676

On May 04 2011 11:11 decafchicken wrote:
hahaha yeah i would never go that wide, but i think i'll bump out a bit more. I usually go thumbs length from the non grippy part of the bar, i'll play with going out a few inches more.

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I know lolol. Just was going holy shit, people can lift a lot.

Alventenie

United States2147 Posts

May 04 2011 04:29 GMT

#4677

RAWR 100kg deadlift today ^^. did 95x5x1 then did 100x1x1 just so i could do it!. Ill do my set of 5 next week woot!

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

May 04 2011 06:02 GMT

#4678

Sleeping now. Time to get 8.5 hours of sleep to be prepared for my AP Calc exam

Zafrumi

Switzerland1272 Posts

May 04 2011 06:17 GMT

#4679

On May 04 2011 07:34 Malinor wrote:
Squat: 165kgx3x5
Deadlift: 170kgx5
Power Clean 40kgx3x4

Funily enough, the last set of squats was the easiest, I got a good bounce in the hole during a couple of reps here. It's basically a speed-thing, if I go down faster, reps get easier. But I have to learn to control it, or it won't end well.
Deadlift was easy, my grip is the weakest link right now I believe. I finally have the bar touching my shins on the way up, the "direct" way up makes it much easier^^.
Power Clean was basically technic training again, lots of work to do here, but at least I don't pussy out anymore.

In the spoiler is my training log

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Starting Strength log

Date	P.Clean	Squat Deadlift	OHP	BO-Row
26.Feb	x	90	90	x	x	
01.Mar	x	95	x	40	50	
03.Mar	x	100	100	x	x	
05.Mar	x	102,5	x	42,5	55	
07.Mar	x	105	105	x	x	
09.Mar	x	107,5	x	45	60	
11.Mar	x	110	110	x	x	
13.Mar	x	112,5	x	50	62,5	
15.Mar	x	115	115	x	x	
17.Mar	x	117,5	x	52,5	65	
19.Mar	x	120	125	x	x	
22.Mar	x	122,5	x	55	67,5	
24.Mar	x	125	130	x	x	
26.Mar	x	127,5	x	57,5	70	
30.Mar	x	130	135	x	x	
01.Apr	x	132,5	x	60	72,5	
03.Apr	x	135	140	x	x	
05.Apr	x	137,5	x	62,5	75	
08.Apr	x	140	145	x	x	
11.Apr	x	142,5	x	63,5	77,5	
13.Apr	x	145	150	x	x	
16.Apr	x	147,5	x	65	80	
19.Apr	x	150	155	x	x	
21.Apr	x	152,5	x	66	81	
23.Apr	x	155	160	x	x	
26.Apr	x	157,5	x	67,5	82,5	
28.Apr	x	160	165	x	x		
30.Apr	20(5x5)	162,5	x	68,5	83,5		
03.Mai	40(3x4)	165	170	x	x		

Squat, OHP and BO-Row 3(Sets)x5(Reps)
Deadlift 1(Set)x5(Reps)
Power Clean 5(Sets)x3(Reps)
Bench not possible because of injury