EPTTL Health and Fitness Initiative 2011 - Page 235
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theKOT
United States167 Posts
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ModernAgeShaman
Norway484 Posts
On May 04 2011 06:42 eshlow wrote: Yes, you can lose muscle mass without losing strength. Much easier to do when you're a novice/intermediate though. If you're trying to lose muscle and have a 400 lbs DL and not expect it to go down then you may be expecting a bit much. Second question depends. There may be muscle mass gain when cutting while numbers stay unchanged or even go up if the person doing it is obese or overweight. The lower your BF% is the higher chance that your body will shed muscle tissue.... which makes sense when you think about it. So if your numbers are unchanged when this occurs you may be losing muscle and maintaining strength (e.g. getting more neurologically efficient). You can get more neurologically effieicnt and lose muscle and still have your numbers go down. That's what happens in the 400 lbs case above where you don't have enough BF% and your lifts are alreayd pretty high where the gains in neurological strength are not enough to compensate for the loss is cross sectional area of the muscle. So basically the answer is it really depends on the genetics of the person and how much BF% they have... (among other factors like sleep, nutrition,etc of course). ok, thanks for the response, that was pretty clarifying. I'm aware about most factors that affect muscle:fat loss ratios but the reason I ask is because I've been cutting a while and really playing around with kcal to see the results. I've been doing an IF cycle with about 1500 kcal on the low days for a while, but I didn't count the kcal on the maintenance days and went too far overboard, resulting in hardly any weight loss. Now that I cleaned up the maintenance days and am eating still eating ~1500kcal (macro breakdowns :10%carb, 20% fat, 70% protein) on the low cal days, I'm tanking weight at a scary rate. This is my first diet setup week back after taking a break at easter and I'm losing at a rate over a kg a week and I'm probably already at 10.5% bodyfat. Weird that it's so sudden now cause I wasn't binging on the old maintenance days, just ate too much clean foods. My lifts have increased slightly or stayed the same during this entire process, except for weighted dips/chins which I have regularly added 1.25kg to every week since january, while not losing significant weight until now. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
type "nightcore <song>" into youtube people mixing anime and happy hardcore songs to be slightly faster tempo if you're into heavier shit try "lolicore" or "j-core". anime songs+drum n base = epic youtube.com/watch?v=ifT8zVTqfRM youtube.com/watch?v=e9Xr2mM9Pdk | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
PR - Bench - 180lbs(+5)3x5 PR - Bent Row - 140lbs(+5)5x3 Face Pulls - 10-10-5 Shoulder Mobility Work I have a tough time figuring out my grip width on bench so that my wrists aren't super awkward at the low point of the motion... | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On May 04 2011 15:39 AoN.DimSum wrote: lol this is a good thread if you like drama about oly lifting. http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=23226&p=254958#post254958 awesome slugfest between rip and jon north :D so much drama! | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On May 04 2011 17:50 Sinep wrote: ok, thanks for the response, that was pretty clarifying. I'm aware about most factors that affect muscle:fat loss ratios but the reason I ask is because I've been cutting a while and really playing around with kcal to see the results. I've been doing an IF cycle with about 1500 kcal on the low days for a while, but I didn't count the kcal on the maintenance days and went too far overboard, resulting in hardly any weight loss. Now that I cleaned up the maintenance days and am eating still eating ~1500kcal (macro breakdowns :10%carb, 20% fat, 70% protein) on the low cal days, I'm tanking weight at a scary rate. This is my first diet setup week back after taking a break at easter and I'm losing at a rate over a kg a week and I'm probably already at 10.5% bodyfat. Weird that it's so sudden now cause I wasn't binging on the old maintenance days, just ate too much clean foods. My lifts have increased slightly or stayed the same during this entire process, except for weighted dips/chins which I have regularly added 1.25kg to every week since january, while not losing significant weight until now. Uhhh, that's probably too much protein. You should up your fat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation | ||
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ModernAgeShaman
Norway484 Posts
On May 04 2011 20:28 eshlow wrote: Uhhh, that's probably too much protein. You should up your fat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation It is a quite severe deficit in terms of energy kcals, but I'm not close to experiencing any of those symptoms. I cycle calories so at the most I only have a two day stretch of low kcals like that, rest are inbetween carb days. Also while 70% protein may seem like a lot, it's only 225grams and I eat about the same everday (with higher carbs etc on cycle days) + closer to 300g's on my one bulk day in the week. I don't think protein poisoning is close to a worry of mine atm | ||
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Nazarene
Denmark996 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.butcherslab.dk/img/user/229706_10150180543763681_565358680_6819526_3002443_n.jpg) ;D | ||
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nataziel
Australia1455 Posts
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
i don't really have time for gym so i bought myself dumbells with 12,5 kg each and i do biceps curls. slowly but surely my arm size is increasing | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On May 04 2011 22:36 Manimal_pro wrote: didn't notice this thread until now. lots of respectable folks working out on TL, nice! i don't really have time for gym so i bought myself dumbells with 12,5 kg each and i do biceps curls. slowly but surely my arm size is increasing  shoulda bought yourself a power rack instead! its the only way to become a real man edit: and with that elitist statement I welcome you to the TL Health and fitness initiative where warriors and beasts are made :D | ||
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Michaelj
United States186 Posts
Bench: 180 5-3-5 Deadlift: 300 1-1-1-1-1 Chins: 4-3-2 today was supposed to be a day to back off on weight and look at form, but I decided to keep increasing, and form felt better than last time too! Note 1: Holy crap, I put on 10 lbs of water weight overnight with some creatine. Note 2: This series really helped with ironing kinks out of my squat form: | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
Gym opens at 6am and I need to be out by 7am so I can get to work and shower/get changed etc.. Any advice on training mornings on an empty stomach? I've only ever done cardio in that state. | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
had oats porridge for breakfast and milk. out of the 8? brands in my supermarket only one is actualy pure oats, all the rest are contaminated spent like 1hr30 with squats trying to learn better form!!! my stance was rediculously wide (im 187cm) , and after some help im now trying a thinner better stance (nearer to shoulder width). its wrecking the front of my lower legs due to rediculous lack of flexibility there. was using only 40kg today (was trying for 65kg my last 2 sessions) and still my form (flexibility) needs a SHIT ton of work. feels terribly uncomfortable and unnatural but i can feel the muscles/wtvr stretching and burning so i just have to work on the flexibility bench went fine 52.5kg 5555, should have tried for 55 really but was feeling anxious about dropping it again. plus i was starting to fall asleep by then done "nearly" 2 chinups. WOOOOT personal best kinda figured out that you cant take creatin with milk, it just cakes to the side of my big cup *i do have a squat form video to upload but dont think its worth it yet, will see how i get on next time | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9377 Posts
holy shit nice ;p | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
 @FFGen: Just post your vid. I'm curous to see how it is wrecking your legs. You are talking about the tibialis anterior muscle right? Squatting at 6'++ can be a pain (especially with a narrow stance) but it is very well doable. | ||
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