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theKOT
Profile Joined June 2009
United States167 Posts
May 04 2011 07:12 GMT
#4681
Thanks for the responses. It's really a cool community here. No I'm not training for any competition, just want to hit that number because it is the goal I set for myself. I will definitely integrate hill running into my plans, just hope my knees cooperate.
FBH and Bisu. That's all you need.
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 08:55:29
May 04 2011 08:50 GMT
#4682
On May 04 2011 06:42 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2011 05:07 Sinep wrote:
No to the first part, or no to the second?


Yes, you can lose muscle mass without losing strength. Much easier to do when you're a novice/intermediate though. If you're trying to lose muscle and have a 400 lbs DL and not expect it to go down then you may be expecting a bit much.

Second question depends. There may be muscle mass gain when cutting while numbers stay unchanged or even go up if the person doing it is obese or overweight.

The lower your BF% is the higher chance that your body will shed muscle tissue.... which makes sense when you think about it. So if your numbers are unchanged when this occurs you may be losing muscle and maintaining strength (e.g. getting more neurologically efficient).

You can get more neurologically effieicnt and lose muscle and still have your numbers go down. That's what happens in the 400 lbs case above where you don't have enough BF% and your lifts are alreayd pretty high where the gains in neurological strength are not enough to compensate for the loss is cross sectional area of the muscle.

So basically the answer is it really depends on the genetics of the person and how much BF% they have... (among other factors like sleep, nutrition,etc of course).


ok, thanks for the response, that was pretty clarifying.
I'm aware about most factors that affect muscle:fat loss ratios but the reason I ask is because I've been cutting a while and really playing around with kcal to see the results. I've been doing an IF cycle with about 1500 kcal on the low days for a while, but I didn't count the kcal on the maintenance days and went too far overboard, resulting in hardly any weight loss. Now that I cleaned up the maintenance days and am eating still eating ~1500kcal (macro breakdowns :10%carb, 20% fat, 70% protein) on the low cal days, I'm tanking weight at a scary rate. This is my first diet setup week back after taking a break at easter and I'm losing at a rate over a kg a week and I'm probably already at 10.5% bodyfat. Weird that it's so sudden now cause I wasn't binging on the old maintenance days, just ate too much clean foods. My lifts have increased slightly or stayed the same during this entire process, except for weighted dips/chins which I have regularly added 1.25kg to every week since january, while not losing significant weight until now.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 10:05:05
May 04 2011 10:00 GMT
#4683
found something cool you might like for listening at the gym or waking up

type "nightcore <song>" into youtube

people mixing anime and happy hardcore songs to be slightly faster tempo



if you're into heavier shit try "lolicore" or "j-core". anime songs+drum n base = epic

youtube.com/watch?v=ifT8zVTqfRM

youtube.com/watch?v=e9Xr2mM9Pdk
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 04 2011 10:26 GMT
#4684
today:
PR - Bench - 180lbs(+5)3x5
PR - Bent Row - 140lbs(+5)5x3
Face Pulls - 10-10-5
Shoulder Mobility Work

I have a tough time figuring out my grip width on bench so that my wrists aren't super awkward at the low point of the motion...
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
May 04 2011 10:30 GMT
#4685
Hmm I'm gonna have to try some of those songs next time I go work out :p. I usually listen to hardcore (punk) in the gym, great to get your energy up!

FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 04 2011 10:43 GMT
#4686
lol nice vid
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
May 04 2011 11:11 GMT
#4687
On May 04 2011 15:39 AoN.DimSum wrote:
lol this is a good thread if you like drama about oly lifting. http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=23226&p=254958#post254958



awesome slugfest between rip and jon north :D so much drama!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
May 04 2011 11:28 GMT
#4688
On May 04 2011 17:50 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2011 06:42 eshlow wrote:
On May 04 2011 05:07 Sinep wrote:
No to the first part, or no to the second?


Yes, you can lose muscle mass without losing strength. Much easier to do when you're a novice/intermediate though. If you're trying to lose muscle and have a 400 lbs DL and not expect it to go down then you may be expecting a bit much.

Second question depends. There may be muscle mass gain when cutting while numbers stay unchanged or even go up if the person doing it is obese or overweight.

The lower your BF% is the higher chance that your body will shed muscle tissue.... which makes sense when you think about it. So if your numbers are unchanged when this occurs you may be losing muscle and maintaining strength (e.g. getting more neurologically efficient).

You can get more neurologically effieicnt and lose muscle and still have your numbers go down. That's what happens in the 400 lbs case above where you don't have enough BF% and your lifts are alreayd pretty high where the gains in neurological strength are not enough to compensate for the loss is cross sectional area of the muscle.

So basically the answer is it really depends on the genetics of the person and how much BF% they have... (among other factors like sleep, nutrition,etc of course).


ok, thanks for the response, that was pretty clarifying.
I'm aware about most factors that affect muscle:fat loss ratios but the reason I ask is because I've been cutting a while and really playing around with kcal to see the results. I've been doing an IF cycle with about 1500 kcal on the low days for a while, but I didn't count the kcal on the maintenance days and went too far overboard, resulting in hardly any weight loss. Now that I cleaned up the maintenance days and am eating still eating ~1500kcal (macro breakdowns :10%carb, 20% fat, 70% protein) on the low cal days, I'm tanking weight at a scary rate. This is my first diet setup week back after taking a break at easter and I'm losing at a rate over a kg a week and I'm probably already at 10.5% bodyfat. Weird that it's so sudden now cause I wasn't binging on the old maintenance days, just ate too much clean foods. My lifts have increased slightly or stayed the same during this entire process, except for weighted dips/chins which I have regularly added 1.25kg to every week since january, while not losing significant weight until now.


Uhhh, that's probably too much protein. You should up your fat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
May 04 2011 11:45 GMT
#4689
On May 04 2011 20:28 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2011 17:50 Sinep wrote:
On May 04 2011 06:42 eshlow wrote:
On May 04 2011 05:07 Sinep wrote:
No to the first part, or no to the second?


Yes, you can lose muscle mass without losing strength. Much easier to do when you're a novice/intermediate though. If you're trying to lose muscle and have a 400 lbs DL and not expect it to go down then you may be expecting a bit much.

Second question depends. There may be muscle mass gain when cutting while numbers stay unchanged or even go up if the person doing it is obese or overweight.

The lower your BF% is the higher chance that your body will shed muscle tissue.... which makes sense when you think about it. So if your numbers are unchanged when this occurs you may be losing muscle and maintaining strength (e.g. getting more neurologically efficient).

You can get more neurologically effieicnt and lose muscle and still have your numbers go down. That's what happens in the 400 lbs case above where you don't have enough BF% and your lifts are alreayd pretty high where the gains in neurological strength are not enough to compensate for the loss is cross sectional area of the muscle.

So basically the answer is it really depends on the genetics of the person and how much BF% they have... (among other factors like sleep, nutrition,etc of course).


ok, thanks for the response, that was pretty clarifying.
I'm aware about most factors that affect muscle:fat loss ratios but the reason I ask is because I've been cutting a while and really playing around with kcal to see the results. I've been doing an IF cycle with about 1500 kcal on the low days for a while, but I didn't count the kcal on the maintenance days and went too far overboard, resulting in hardly any weight loss. Now that I cleaned up the maintenance days and am eating still eating ~1500kcal (macro breakdowns :10%carb, 20% fat, 70% protein) on the low cal days, I'm tanking weight at a scary rate. This is my first diet setup week back after taking a break at easter and I'm losing at a rate over a kg a week and I'm probably already at 10.5% bodyfat. Weird that it's so sudden now cause I wasn't binging on the old maintenance days, just ate too much clean foods. My lifts have increased slightly or stayed the same during this entire process, except for weighted dips/chins which I have regularly added 1.25kg to every week since january, while not losing significant weight until now.


Uhhh, that's probably too much protein. You should up your fat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation


It is a quite severe deficit in terms of energy kcals, but I'm not close to experiencing any of those symptoms. I cycle calories so at the most I only have a two day stretch of low kcals like that, rest are inbetween carb days. Also while 70% protein may seem like a lot, it's only 225grams and I eat about the same everday (with higher carbs etc on cycle days) + closer to 300g's on my one bulk day in the week. I don't think protein poisoning is close to a worry of mine atm
Nazarene
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Denmark996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 13:05:00
May 04 2011 13:03 GMT
#4690
Pic from training this weekend:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

;D
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
May 04 2011 13:11 GMT
#4691
HNNNNNNG (no homo)
u gotta sk8
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
May 04 2011 13:36 GMT
#4692
didn't notice this thread until now. lots of respectable folks working out on TL, nice!

i don't really have time for gym so i bought myself dumbells with 12,5 kg each and i do biceps curls. slowly but surely my arm size is increasing
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 14:26:07
May 04 2011 13:53 GMT
#4693
On May 04 2011 22:36 Manimal_pro wrote:
didn't notice this thread until now. lots of respectable folks working out on TL, nice!

i don't really have time for gym so i bought myself dumbells with 12,5 kg each and i do biceps curls. slowly but surely my arm size is increasing




shoulda bought yourself a power rack instead! its the only way to become a real man

edit: and with that elitist statement I welcome you to the TL Health and fitness initiative where warriors and beasts are made :D
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Michaelj
Profile Joined February 2008
United States186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 14:23:03
May 04 2011 14:22 GMT
#4694
Squat: 275 5-5-5
Bench: 180 5-3-5
Deadlift: 300 1-1-1-1-1
Chins: 4-3-2

today was supposed to be a day to back off on weight and look at form, but I decided to keep increasing, and form felt better than last time too!

Note 1: Holy crap, I put on 10 lbs of water weight overnight with some creatine.
Note 2: This series really helped with ironing kinks out of my squat form:
---
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
May 04 2011 14:43 GMT
#4695
Going to start doing SS in the mornings before work.

Gym opens at 6am and I need to be out by 7am so I can get to work and shower/get changed etc..

Any advice on training mornings on an empty stomach? I've only ever done cardio in that state.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
May 04 2011 14:48 GMT
#4696
take BCAA (or any other amino acid supplements you use) 10 mins pre-workout. I almost always train on an empty stomach and never have problems anymore.
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 15:47:23
May 04 2011 15:30 GMT
#4697
today:

had oats porridge for breakfast and milk. out of the 8? brands in my supermarket only one is actualy pure oats, all the rest are contaminated

spent like 1hr30 with squats trying to learn better form!!!
my stance was rediculously wide (im 187cm) , and after some help im now trying a thinner better stance (nearer to shoulder width). its wrecking the front of my lower legs due to rediculous lack of flexibility there.
was using only 40kg today (was trying for 65kg my last 2 sessions) and still my form (flexibility) needs a SHIT ton of work. feels terribly uncomfortable and unnatural but i can feel the muscles/wtvr stretching and burning so i just have to work on the flexibility

bench went fine 52.5kg 5555, should have tried for 55 really but was feeling anxious about dropping it again. plus i was starting to fall asleep by then

done "nearly" 2 chinups. WOOOOT personal best

kinda figured out that you cant take creatin with milk, it just cakes to the side of my big cup


*i do have a squat form video to upload but dont think its worth it yet, will see how i get on next time
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9377 Posts
May 04 2011 15:49 GMT
#4698
On May 04 2011 22:03 Nazarene wrote:
Pic from training this weekend:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

;D


holy shit
nice ;p
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
May 04 2011 16:14 GMT
#4699
just ordered a pair of ristos! yay
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
May 04 2011 16:45 GMT
#4700
Looking good Nazarene

@FFGen: Just post your vid. I'm curous to see how it is wrecking your legs. You are talking about the tibialis anterior muscle right? Squatting at 6'++ can be a pain (especially with a narrow stance) but it is very well doable.
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