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MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
May 04 2011 18:17 GMT
#4721
Thanks, eshlow. I think I misrepresented my own argument. Which was probably a hasty response to BouBou's question stating the specific exercises of "push ups, burpees, shoulder dips, and chin ups". Maybe I did knock BW training a little more than I realized, but sticking to only a few moves with the same weight will limit strength gain.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20154 Posts
May 04 2011 18:35 GMT
#4722
I want more vids of eshlow doing awesome bodyweight shit! (handstands 20 feet in the air on stacked chairs wtf)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
May 04 2011 18:52 GMT
#4723
On May 05 2011 03:35 decafchicken wrote:
I want more vids of eshlow doing awesome bodyweight shit! (handstands 20 feet in the air on stacked chairs wtf)


insta. fucking. win.

no?
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 19:28:00
May 04 2011 19:17 GMT
#4724
On May 05 2011 03:35 decafchicken wrote:
I want more vids of eshlow doing awesome bodyweight shit! (handstands 20 feet in the air on stacked chairs wtf)


I have a gymnast friend who showed me 75 pullups in under a minute. It was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

Also....
[image loading]

@sjarl and zafrumi; Thanks for the input. While I think we can pretty much agree that a high volume of stretching isn't necessary to weightlifting at least a small amount does remain absolutely essential. I actually watched a discussion with Rippetoe earlier today where he talks about your "due diligence" in training. What he meant was that each training disciple can benefit from some cross-over with each other. For instance a runner's main focus would be cardio and running however some limited strength training would be beneficial. Same with weight lifting and stretching. Nothing outlandish just like 10 min a day or whatever.

Also I wouldn't want to outline a specific 'schedule' for anyone really. Just create a library of useful moves with the appropriate technical explanations. Also I've always personally believed that being overall flexible is a key component of health and fitness. Although probably 90% of this thread is about weight training I don't think that discussion should be to the exclusion of other complementary H&F concepts.

There's another thing my hs coach used to say to us (my team) with stretching. (I may have already said it here in a way earlier post but I haven't been able to find it.) It's that stretching should be complementary. As in; you are not only supposed to stretch muscles and ligaments that you are using or using the most in any given activity, but you should be stretching even the areas that wouldn't normally get much work from weight or a high ROM.

Personally, I've applied that principle pretty darn religiously to my own routine. In general I'm not even talking from a goal of "becoming more flexible" but of a goal of stretching out areas that don't get targeted as much in a lot of the lifts we are doing in this thread. Rip has said that the squat itself becomes a stretch for those muscles involved. But it's the ones we don't use as much that remain tight and are neglected. Also, there's no overall "best stretch" for each body part. So variety is helpful. If someone has been doing towel hamstring stretches forever and is fairly flexible in that direction they may still be horribly tight if they switched to a hurdle stretch. Essentially it targets many of the same parts but the slight change in angle and all that results in a very different stretch overall even though they'd both most likely be categorized as "hamstring stretches".

So this has turned into a pretty lengthy primer of what I'd like to do, and the more I write down my ideas the more I am thinking of how big this will actually be LoL. Anyway I'm anxious to hear from eshlow or anyone else with professional experience in physical therapy or a similar background.

edit:/ Oh and I forgot to mention. I do have a readily available source of information to assist in any research I will need to do. My mom works for an orthopedic doctor and surgeon who specializes in sports injuries and rehab. So I've pretty much been nearly inundated with random bits of information on this topic all my life.
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
May 04 2011 19:22 GMT
#4725
On May 05 2011 02:58 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 02:39 BouBou.865 wrote:

I am a bit weary about deadlifting and lifting really heavy in general, because I want to be able to keep playing golf. Broke par today, been working really hard at my game and don't want to spoil it.


Show nested quote +
A second example is professional golfer Cindy Schreyer. She was introduced to the Olympic lifts by Ben Green in 1993. After approximately eight months of training, Cindy increased her drive by a full forty yards, a staggering improvement for a person already highly skilled at golf. Cindy won her first PGA tournament shortly after this dramatic improvement in her drive occurred..


And no offence but 6'5 at 80kg is verrrry skinny. IMO i'd want to add 10-20kg just to fill out your frame.


Yeah, I'd agree with this. I'm 5'8" and around 80kg, and I'm at the point where I like how I look with clothes, just trying to improve how I look without

But then there are alot of people who want a skinnier look.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 19:55:28
May 04 2011 19:51 GMT
#4726
I'm 79.3+kg, was 75 at christmas iirc.
I say 187cm but might be 186. Not keen on finding out for sure, since I thought I was 188 my whole life.

Not entirely sure if a new forum wud be best but we shud def try it.

A stretching series wud be great tho there r utube vids n probably playlists, n stuff on torrent so I wud check that stuff out n see if u can improve upon it n make sumthing more comprehensive.
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Ohnoes92
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden76 Posts
May 04 2011 20:09 GMT
#4727
On May 05 2011 02:58 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 02:39 BouBou.865 wrote:

I am a bit weary about deadlifting and lifting really heavy in general, because I want to be able to keep playing golf. Broke par today, been working really hard at my game and don't want to spoil it.


Show nested quote +
A second example is professional golfer Cindy Schreyer. She was introduced to the Olympic lifts by Ben Green in 1993. After approximately eight months of training, Cindy increased her drive by a full forty yards, a staggering improvement for a person already highly skilled at golf. Cindy won her first PGA tournament shortly after this dramatic improvement in her drive occurred..


And no offence but 6'5 at 80kg is verrrry skinny. IMO i'd want to add 10-20kg just to fill out your frame.

Lol, im 6'2 and two months ago i was at 62 kg. (tried GOMAD for 2 weeks to feel it out, ended up at 65 kg)
Ohai!
MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
May 04 2011 20:18 GMT
#4728
Got home from work, just ate my first raw avocado. Blehhh :r
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
May 04 2011 20:20 GMT
#4729
Just make guacomole from it instead
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 20:30:20
May 04 2011 20:28 GMT
#4730
On May 05 2011 02:25 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 02:13 Cambium wrote:
squat: 250 x 5 x 3

now to break over 250 next time


Hey dude I checked back through your posts I can't tell are you in KGs or in lbs? PS what are your vital stats?


lb, i wish they were in kg lol

i'm
23
5"10.5 (179 cm)
170 lb (77 kg)
Chinese
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
May 04 2011 20:33 GMT
#4731
Yeah I've tried restaurant or packaged quacamole before with varied degrees of acceptable taste. I still didn't find any of them particularly yummy. But I want to start incorporating avocados and sweet potatoes into my diet and I have this weird practice where I need to try any food item in total isolation first. Sounds retarded I know.
Ohnoes92
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden76 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 20:55:55
May 04 2011 20:53 GMT
#4732
Try having a bit of salt on the avocado, or just use it in a salad.

Edit: they work well with tomatoes imo.

Edit2: googled avocado salad to see if i could finda good recepie for you, and found this site http://www.avocadosalad.com/ :D
Ohai!
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
May 04 2011 21:01 GMT
#4733
I looove avocado with cottage cheese. awesome dish, havent had it in a while though

5-5-4 on 135kg squat today. not sure if I should move on. first two sets felt pretty solid, but the last one was a bitch.
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 21:10:27
May 04 2011 21:03 GMT
#4734
On May 05 2011 02:53 sJarl wrote:


@BouBou: And last time I checked none of the pros were really muscular


Last time I checked they were decent at golf, though. @Eschlow and others, what do you mean by 'filling out my frame'? More of a triangular chest? Can't say the olympic weight lifters make me more jealous than say swimmers/gymnasts, but lifting weights makes a lot of sense.

Quick edit: Will lifting weights constrain movement and/or flexibility?
Playing League of Legends. IGN: Plain Skill
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
May 04 2011 21:12 GMT
#4735
I love avocado, but if you don't there's really no reason to incorporate them into your diet. It is a good way to get extra calories pretty easily though if you do fancy the taste.
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 21:21:00
May 04 2011 21:15 GMT
#4736
On May 05 2011 06:03 BouBou.865 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 02:53 sJarl wrote:


@BouBou: And last time I checked none of the pros were really muscular


Last time I checked they were decent at golf, though. @Eschlow and others, what do you mean by 'filling out my frame'? More of a triangular chest? Can't say the olympic weight lifters make me more jealous than say swimmers/gymnasts, but lifting weights makes a lot of sense.

Quick edit: Will lifting weights constrain movement and/or flexibility?


you know, most of the weightlifters are that big because they eat whatever the fuck they want so they get the strength that is needed to throw huge ass weights above your head. and to get the calories necessary for that, you almost have to eat dirty alot.

dont worry though, you will definitely not look like them without years of dedication and hard HARD training. filling out your frame means getting a decent V shape, putting on some muscle mass and just look better, more attractive and more badass.

lifting weights will make you strong. and strong beings are generally more useful than weaker beings.

edit: about golf: It seems pretty logical to me that the stronger you are, the farther you can hit the golf ball. and granted I dont know much about the sport, but that sounds like a good thing no? I dont really see the downside, but maybe you can tell us exactly what you are afraid of so we can put your mind at ease and get you to join our (awesome!) club

2nd edit:
Quick edit: Will lifting weights constrain movement and/or flexibility?


if anything you will get more flexible! you can also do some strechtes to improve your flexibility. maybe ask MajinMojo! he seems to be an expert on the subject hehe
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
May 04 2011 21:53 GMT
#4737
Does anyone else get nauseous trying to break PRs doing power cleans or deadlifts? I'm not sure if it has something to do with my nutrition before or after my workouts but it seems like I'm the only one who feels the need to puke after finishing my sets.
If you die this way, you won't live to tell anyone how you died
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
May 04 2011 21:56 GMT
#4738
On May 05 2011 05:28 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 02:25 sc4k wrote:
On May 05 2011 02:13 Cambium wrote:
squat: 250 x 5 x 3

now to break over 250 next time


Hey dude I checked back through your posts I can't tell are you in KGs or in lbs? PS what are your vital stats?


lb, i wish they were in kg lol

i'm
23
5"10.5 (179 cm)
170 lb (77 kg)
Chinese


ah cool thanks dude, your vital stats are basically the same as me, means I can follow your development with some sort of 'vested interest' lol
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
May 04 2011 22:00 GMT
#4739
On May 05 2011 06:53 MeShiet wrote:
Does anyone else get nauseous trying to break PRs doing power cleans or deadlifts? I'm not sure if it has something to do with my nutrition before or after my workouts but it seems like I'm the only one who feels the need to puke after finishing my sets.


definitely not:

"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 04 2011 22:01 GMT
#4740
I put in a request, hope that it gets approved:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=219348
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