As a citizen of Rio im very happy and proud to host the first Olympic games at South America.
Those of us who followed the process of the Pan American games know that when our politicians have foreign oversight, a clear goal, they are able to achieve great things.
Violence was not a problem, because not only there were more police on the street, couple with military support, they were actually doing their job for a change.
We have the stadiums, what we need is subways, trains, and traffic infrastructure and now we have government incentive to give us all we needed all along, but couldnt find a good enough reason to get it.
Im celebrating! Come to rio for 2014 (World Cup) and 2016, we will be happy to host you.
The convention thing where it all went down is less than 1km away from my school, the principal wrote a letter to the american embassy asking for Obama to give an interview at the school but i dont think it happened. Regardless~~ Congratulations Brazil!
I wish it was Chicago cause i live only a few hours away but I'm still very happy that Rio won it. They deserve it the most and it looks like it's gonna be beautiful there. congrats!
Cool, it seemed ridiculous that South America had managed to avoid having the games up to this point. Hopefully Rio puts on a good show...they have a lot of preparation ahead of them (good luck :|)
yea, i was pulling for Rio. the presentation montage was beautiful and your president seems so passionate about what the Olympics would mean for his country. bravo!
Rio must need alot of preparations, according to a danish newspaper; the suggested contruction budget for Rio is above 11 billion dollars, compared to the other countries "only" 1-4 billion.
Wonder how much of the billions that will be used in preparation will be used by the Police Force on the BBC it was said that if Rio got the bid a plan was to just wall off certain neighborhoods due to the crime rate.
As someone who lives in Rio, I couldn't be less thrilled about the fact we're hosting the olympic games.
Every single cent we earn from tourism is gonna be spent twice in over-budgeted projects invented by our corrupt government. The olympics are the perfect excuse they need to explain our insanely high taxes and to give a sense that "everything is allright", when clearly it's not.
The only sports I have interest into are Mixed Martial Arts and Starcraft, and neither will be present. If you have any desire to come to Rio in 2016, you should be expecting INSANE traffic jams (already a problem, will be close to unbearable once the games start), robbery and crime of all kinds, brazilian locals trying to rip tourists out of their money because they think they are smart-asses, and of course, the uneducated brazilian crowd boo'ing at non-brazilian athletes and being assholes in general.
If you're into this, prostitution and drugs are of unparalleled low prices compared to the rest of the world, so have fun.
Rio can truly be a nice experience if you come here just to have fun for a couple of days. But living here is just plain terrible. I think I just have the absolute wrong mindset compared to most people in my country. I'm just hoping we don't come out of this looking even worse than we already do to the eyes of the outside world...
I just read this in the news and I think it's pretty cool. Hopefully it will bring in a lot of tourism and help the country out much like it has done in other parts of the world.
Dont listen to Zazen, he is a hater, if theres public on it, he will be hating.
EDIT: after all 80% of the investments will be in transportation and security infrastructure, but someone who just wants to hate wouldnt care to search for that, or wouldnt believe in it anyway.
someone who just wants to hate, wont believe that even if they say they will do such things that it will be done, even with all the foreign oversight these events offer, because he is not in the business of getting an informed opinion.
I don't trust my government as a source of information. As someone who works with economics and numbers, I know for a fact that most numbers they throw at the public is mostly pulled out of their asses. Our tributary system really doesn't work. It would be really stupid to expect our politicians to play honestly with the shitload of money they are getting their hands into.
Governments are incompetent in dealing with money, and we have a specially corrupt and nationalist party currently in power. I'm not going to trust anything they say. I don't think they can do any good for me as a citizen. Lula would fuck anyone working with finance without thinking twice if he could, he thinks it's something "evil". Poor Lula. He NEVER read a book about economy before - just like the huge majority of people who try to discuss economy with me...
You think I'm uninformed? I think you're pretty naive.
But this topic is about cheering for Rio, so keep going...
Thank god lula is not running the economy, hes only a talking head.
Get real man, even with money being stolen, its billions being injected into our economy, and infrastructure, along with tourism, and probably more security, anyway you look it, we will get better off in the long term.
Its sad the the govt needs these special events to do their jobs, but if it helps motivate them to show proper work im all for it, and for all its worth, at the end of the day, we will have some stuff build to show off for the money spend.
It will totally help Brazil in so many ways (jobs created to build everything, tourism, etc), but I'm really surprised they got it considering how bad the crime and all that stuff is there.
Good Lord, I cannot believe Rio got it. It's nice that a South American city will host for the first time, but I'm not so sure why the IOC picked a city known primarily for affordable hookers and incredible levels of violence and crime.
On October 03 2009 05:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So has Brazil said what they would/plan to do about the Crime rate now that the Olympics are Brazil bound?
In the Pan American games, they put thousands of military on the streets with tanks and everything aimed at the slums, it worked =p
On October 03 2009 05:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So has Brazil said what they would/plan to do about the Crime rate now that the Olympics are Brazil bound?
In the Pan American games, they put thousands of military on the streets with tanks and everything aimed at the slums, it worked =p
Sure, it will be good, many things are going to be better and all the other stuff but, you know, our government cant be trusted. The corruption continues, besides many things end up showing on the midia. All zazen said its true, UNFORTUNATELY. around the world our image is so bad. Our country is known by soccer and Carnaval. The rest, just check on the newspaper around the world. One actually suggested to people from other countries to always have R$ 50 (our currency for those who didnt understand) to give to the thieves. Of course i get pissed, but this will only change when the people chance the way they vote and select our government, and the people who have the power to greatly help on this, they are winning on this situation. Therefore, you know where is goes, because you live with this all your life. This isn't hate, is just what WE lived until now.
And i will even enter on the discussion about over-budgeted projects or construction, because it will happen. Our history don't lie.
You want to come to Rio? Sure, come. But be careful, try to the maximum to not say "I'm a tourist" and be alert ALL the time.
I'm harsh with my country because i watch all the others and I feel extremally ashamed on how our country is being taken through the time when you see all the others.
On October 03 2009 06:58 Baytuts wrote: D10 , i think the same of zazen
Sure, it will be good, many things are going to be better and all the other stuff but, you know, our government cant be trusted. The corruption continues, besides many things end up showing on the midia. All zazen said its true, UNFORTUNATELY. around the world our image is so bad. Our country is known by soccer and Carnaval. The rest, just check on the newspaper around the world. One actually suggested to people from other countries to always have R$ 50 (our currency for those who didnt understand) to give to the thieves. Of course i get pissed, but this will only change when the people chance the way they vote and select our government, and the people who have the power to greatly help on this, they are winning on this situation. Therefore, you know where is goes, because you live with this all your life. This isn't hate, is just what WE lived until now.
And i will even enter on the discussion about over-budgeted projects or construction, because it will happen. Our history don't lie.
You want to come to Rio? Sure, come. But be careful, try to the maximum to say "I'm a tourist" and be alert ALL the time.
I'm harsh with my country because i watch all the others and I feel extremally ashamed on how our country is being taken through the time when you see all the others.
Then why dont you make a blog exposing all the corruption involving the olympic investiment, make something good of your dissent, right now, everyone seems like a bunch of cry babies that do nothing other than complain, and dont recognize the amazing steps we took towards a better country and better politics.
I dont want ot turn this into a discussion about Brazil and Rio deep aflictions, but if its so obvious that these problems will be involved, why dont you do like me and take them for granted, and just enjoy the good stuff that will come ?
also it's a mistake for this thread to not be in general... the olympics is way, way more than simply sports and games plus it would've gotten way more exposure there
we should set up a TL meetup in 2016, for those who will still be here
i've lived in Rio, and i think it would be hard for someone who's been there to say that it's not the most beautiful city in the world, and it's so sports and healthy living oriented, a perfect fit for the olympics
as for the social situation there and in Brazil in general, i think having Brazil in the spotlight so much (world cup too) can only help motivate the government to finally do something useful about it, so i'm optimistic
oh god if we could just get rid of that freaking slums Brazil would be the best country in the world!
also, i would like to invite everyone who is coming to here to know the other brazilian states. it looks like foreigns know brazil as if it was only rio de janeiro :/
On October 03 2009 06:58 Baytuts wrote: D10 , i think the same of zazen
Sure, it will be good, many things are going to be better and all the other stuff but, you know, our government cant be trusted. The corruption continues, besides many things end up showing on the midia. All zazen said its true, UNFORTUNATELY. around the world our image is so bad. Our country is known by soccer and Carnaval. The rest, just check on the newspaper around the world. One actually suggested to people from other countries to always have R$ 50 (our currency for those who didnt understand) to give to the thieves. Of course i get pissed, but this will only change when the people chance the way they vote and select our government, and the people who have the power to greatly help on this, they are winning on this situation. Therefore, you know where is goes, because you live with this all your life. This isn't hate, is just what WE lived until now.
And i will even enter on the discussion about over-budgeted projects or construction, because it will happen. Our history don't lie.
You want to come to Rio? Sure, come. But be careful, try to the maximum to say "I'm a tourist" and be alert ALL the time.
I'm harsh with my country because i watch all the others and I feel extremally ashamed on how our country is being taken through the time when you see all the others.
Then why dont you make a blog exposing all the corruption involving the olympic investiment, make something good of your dissent, right now, everyone seems like a bunch of cry babies that do nothing other than complain, and dont recognize the amazing steps we took towards a better country and better politics.
Progress in economy, yes. Progess in politics = close to nothing. Or you think the election of Collor is a sign that the country is getting better? Or the most recent, Sarney? Please, dont tell me we made amazing progress. Dont fool yourself. About the olympic investiments, they are going to be made, but you really think it will be all according to the law, given the history about this type of investiment our country have?
I dont want ot turn this into a discussion about Brazil and Rio deep aflictions, but if its so obvious that these problems will be involved, why dont you do like me and take them for granted, and just enjoy the good stuff that will come ?
Wanna know why? Because i thought with Rio trying to be elected as to receive the Olympics, they would see this type of things we know it exist. But they gave a chance for us. Now, at least they will make this country a little better just for the others to see, not because they want to this country to progress, like many others. And you really think that we should be blind to everything, to think that only the end matters, but all the stuff we do to make it to the end is just negligible? It will come good stuff, sure it will. But at what price? A tip for you: try to find the final budget of last Olympic Games (yes, its raw numbers I know, but use it just as a parameter, not a response)
Ppl, please dont listen the hater kids here, they dont know nothing about life and think its cool to bash they own country.
A kid come here and try to say "Not sad, im realistic. If you think our country is an wonder world, sorry for destroying it" Lol How old are you? Do you surely live in Brazil? Because if the answer is yes you are saying no more than the obvious for everyone but you. You are acting just like a fool who only criticizes but never build nothing. Enjoy your emptiness.
Be it for a good or a bad reason, the thing is, a lot of investiments will be made and all the things they build will stay for decades after the games ends.
This is not a discussion about the Brazil problems, it is a praise for a lot of investiment will be made for the city and our country. End of argument.
On October 03 2009 13:27 danieldrsa wrote: Ppl, please dont listen the hater kids here, they dont know nothing about life and think its cool to bash they own country.
A kid come here and try to say "Not sad, im realistic. If you think our country is an wonder world, sorry for destroying it"
...
This is not a discussion about the Brazil problems, it is a praise for a lot of investiment will be made for the city and our country. End of argument.
You need to grow a thicker skin. Get used to criticism, it is only made so that things can be brought to light. Maybe being an American has made me used to harsh words (Hello World), but you have to get used to being in the media spotlight.
I mean, look at China's Olympic games. What was the bigger issue, the amount of money going into Beijing, or the censorship and government gripping the games tightly.
On October 03 2009 13:27 danieldrsa wrote: Ppl, please dont listen the hater kids here, they dont know nothing about life and think its cool to bash they own country.
A kid come here and try to say "Not sad, im realistic. If you think our country is an wonder world, sorry for destroying it"
...
This is not a discussion about the Brazil problems, it is a praise for a lot of investiment will be made for the city and our country. End of argument.
You need to grow a thicker skin. Get used to criticism, it is only made so that things can be brought to light. Maybe being an American has made me used to harsh words (Hello World), but you have to get used to being in the media spotlight.
I mean, look at China's Olympic games. What was the bigger issue, the amount of money going into Beijing, or the censorship and government gripping the games tightly.
Seriously Railz, I just wish you were Brazilian and could understand how danieldrsa or me were truly feeling, people try to make it look like anyone who isnt a harsh critic of govt action is like a huge cliche suck up of stupidness and naive, and it just isnt true.
On October 03 2009 13:27 danieldrsa wrote: Ppl, please dont listen the hater kids here, they dont know nothing about life and think its cool to bash they own country.
A kid come here and try to say "Not sad, im realistic. If you think our country is an wonder world, sorry for destroying it"
...
This is not a discussion about the Brazil problems, it is a praise for a lot of investiment will be made for the city and our country. End of argument.
You need to grow a thicker skin. Get used to criticism, it is only made so that things can be brought to light. Maybe being an American has made me used to harsh words (Hello World), but you have to get used to being in the media spotlight.
I mean, look at China's Olympic games. What was the bigger issue, the amount of money going into Beijing, or the censorship and government gripping the games tightly.
Seriously Railz, I just wish you were Brazilian and could understand how danieldrsa or me were truly feeling, people try to make it look like anyone who isnt a harsh critic of govt action is like a huge cliche suck up of stupidness and naive, and it just isnt true.
I don't have to be Brazilian to understand it. I hate when people try to defend something that is obviously wrong here in the US too. I don't like harsh critics either, but just disagreeing with a certain aspect of society doesn't make it harsh, it is a sense of reality.
On October 03 2009 06:58 Baytuts wrote: D10 , i think the same of zazen
Sure, it will be good, many things are going to be better and all the other stuff but, you know, our government cant be trusted. The corruption continues, besides many things end up showing on the midia. All zazen said its true, UNFORTUNATELY. around the world our image is so bad. Our country is known by soccer and Carnaval. The rest, just check on the newspaper around the world. One actually suggested to people from other countries to always have R$ 50 (our currency for those who didnt understand) to give to the thieves. Of course i get pissed, but this will only change when the people chance the way they vote and select our government, and the people who have the power to greatly help on this, they are winning on this situation. Therefore, you know where is goes, because you live with this all your life. This isn't hate, is just what WE lived until now.
And i will even enter on the discussion about over-budgeted projects or construction, because it will happen. Our history don't lie.
You want to come to Rio? Sure, come. But be careful, try to the maximum to say "I'm a tourist" and be alert ALL the time.
I'm harsh with my country because i watch all the others and I feel extremally ashamed on how our country is being taken through the time when you see all the others.
Right, you think the government will do nothing about Rio's violence issue? Don't be a fool, Rio will get a RIDICULOUS amount of money for this event. It is a great opportunity for the city of Rio to improve. If you honestly think Rio in 2016 will be the same Rio you see now, you are quite mistaken. On the contrary, I'm guessing it will be the safest place in the country to be. Sure, we got problems, doesn't mean us hosting the olympics will not be a great opportunity to improve Brazil's image. Just look at China, I'm sure people now realize China is not a bunch of rice eating people living in farms whose government is a bunch of mean commies.
Furthermore:
You want to come to Rio? Sure, come. But be careful, try to the maximum to say "I'm a tourist" and be alert ALL the time.
Assuming the Rio you mean is the one today, why the hell would one want people to know he is a tourist??
I'm quite indifferent as to what soil I was born in, but I sure am proud for this HUGE opportunity Brazil is getting
Rio de Janeiro is the country with all the bare boobs right? J/k, but the first thing that came to mind when I heard south america was gonna host was "can they really afford it?"
Hosting the olympics is potentially ruinous for any country, and south america is all djungle and mud amirite? Doh there I did it again >_<
Did anyone catch that joke on the Daily Show where Obama was like, "i would go argue at the conference to get the Olympics in CHicago but instead I'm going to work on Healthcare.
On October 04 2009 03:12 Osmoses wrote: Rio de Janeiro is the country with all the bare boobs right?
lol
told ya, when foreigns think about Brazil what comes to their mind is Rio de Janeiro, (naked huge ass & boobs girls, sun, beach and soccer, slums and violence)...always
i know yeah that was a joke but cmon... i had to quote anyway :D
every state here have very different culture from each other. i.e. in Bahia, northeast of the country, you will find a heavy african based culture, while if you go to the very south of Brazil, in Rio Grande do Sul, you will find out that the culture here is based on european countries, mainly Italy and Germany (hell, there is a small town near where they all speak german... wtf?!)
anyway, Rio is, indeed, one of the most beautiful spots of the world, if you go to the right places
So are people in Rio suspicious of the police as well?
Lula will also have to push Rio, the sea-side city of Carnival and the 2007 Pan American games, to improve its transit system, renovate its crumbling airport and double its hotel space before it can host its largest international event ever.
“The security problem is very serious,” said Carlos Langoni, a former central bank president and finance chief of the organizing committee for the World Cup 2014, which Brazil will host. “The city’s transportation infrastructure also needs major work but the government is committed and will tackle these issues.”
Rio is one of the most violent cities in the world, according to a ranking by Web site RealClearWorld. Home to about 7 million people, it recorded 2,069 murders last year compared with 510 in Chicago, a city of 2.8 million and a finalist contender for the games. The police commit one in five of the murders, according to the United Nations high commissioner for Human Rights.
Stray bullets from rival drug gangs battling to control more than 1,000 shantytowns ringing the so-called “Marvelous City” claim dozens of lives each year, police say. The gangs often stop traffic along the main airport road to steal money and cell phones. So-called flash-kidnappings -- where victims are taken to ATMs to withdraw cash -- are also common, the security secretariat says.
On October 03 2009 03:36 D10 wrote: As a citizen of Rio im very happy and proud to host the first Olympic games at South America.
Those of us who followed the process of the Pan American games know that when our politicians have foreign oversight, a clear goal, they are able to achieve great things.
Violence was not a problem, because not only there were more police on the street, couple with military support, they were actually doing their job for a change.
We have the stadiums, what we need is subways, trains, and traffic infrastructure and now we have government incentive to give us all we needed all along, but couldnt find a good enough reason to get it.
Im celebrating! Come to rio for 2014 (World Cup) and 2016, we will be happy to host you.
WOOT WOOT go Rio!!!!! I was pulling for Chicago but oh well, Rio was the best over all choice!!
congrats! i was hoping it would either be tokyo or rio so i'm happy. i should be completely done with school by 2016 so i'm looking forward to visiting.
danieldrsa: How old I am? I'm 19 if you mind. "Ppl, please dont listen the hater kids here, they dont know nothing about life and think its cool to bash they own country." Do you really think I like this? I live on this country, need him to grow up as a human, and you think I enjoy what I see? If you can't see whats is happening on our country, open your eyes. "Be it for a good or a bad reason, the thing is, a lot of investiments will be made and all the things they build will stay for decades after the games ends." A LOT of investiment will be made. They will build many things. The problem is until where they will maintain all the things they will build.
Z-Bozon: "Assuming the Rio you mean is the one today, why the hell would one want people to know he is a tourist??" Omg, a typo, ty "Don't be a fool, Rio will get a RIDICULOUS amount of money for this event. It is a great opportunity for the city of Rio to improve. If you honestly think Rio in 2016 will be the same Rio you see now, you are quite mistaken." It's obvious that Rio is gonna get a huge amout of money. Nobody can deny that. The problem is how this money will be used, for how long the government will keep the things after all the events ends.You are right, I said too much about the violence. Of course they will make something about it. I just hope they dont put the military again on the streets.
D10: "Seriously Railz, I just wish you were Brazilian and could understand how danieldrsa or me were truly feeling, people try to make it look like anyone who isnt a harsh critic of govt action is like a huge cliche suck up of stupidness and naive, and it just isnt true." Wait, dont put words on my mouth. "I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death to protect your right to say it."(attributed to Voltaire + Show Spoiler +
but i just discovered that he never said/writed, but is a paraphrase made by other author
). I just disagree from your opinion, and showed arguments to bold up mine, that's all.
On October 03 2009 12:20 D10 wrote: What I think is that you are one sad Brazilian
Eh?
I think those that realize there are issues are better off than those that turn a blind eye to it... you aren't helping your country by just "taking it for granted" as you put it.
I haven't been to Brazil or anything but we get that SAME thing here in the United States. "If you don't agree with this then you are NOT a patriot!"... like it's some sort of horrible thing to point out possible flaws in a country.
I know that people feel a loyalty to a country but that should be all the more reason to know the flaws and try to fix them.
On October 03 2009 12:20 D10 wrote: What I think is that you are one sad Brazilian
Eh?
I think those that realize there are issues are better off than those that turn a blind eye to it... you aren't helping your country by just "taking it for granted" as you put it.
I haven't been to Brazil or anything but we get that SAME thing here in the United States. "If you don't agree with this then you are NOT a patriot!"... like it's some sort of horrible thing to point out possible flaws in a country.
I know that people feel a loyalty to a country but that should be all the more reason to know the flaws and try to fix them.
Yeah.
Watching the conversations between the Brazilians in this thread has been a bizarre throwback. What is the Brazilian equivalent of "if you criticize the country, you hate freedom"?
But anyway, congrats to Rio. I want to visit in 2014. As an American and a New Yorker (we lost 2012, copy cats), Chicago losing the Olympics is #1560 on my list of important issues.
If I think you guys are ignoring some stuff I said way back, when I say if people are displeased with government they should do something productive about it instead of ranting it away.
You dont need to work hard to find someone ranting away at the govt more than you would in the USA.
But to find someone actually doing something other than ranting away you practicly need a oil drilling operation. And When you ask someone to do something about it they say "Its not worth it" or something similar.
Either take action or shut up, because of people who complain only to do nothing at the end of the day and perpetuate the same old corrupted practices we have enough.
On October 05 2009 18:13 Pokebunny wrote: I dunno about you guys, but the thing that amazes me the most is how much time these need to be planned and organized. 6+ years in advance!?
This was programmed in 2004, brazil has invested 3 billons dollars and plans to invest 13 billons dollars...
When you said "If I think you guys are ignoring some stuff I said way back, when I say if people are displeased with government they should do something productive about it instead of ranting it away." , if you spoke about me, please, you dont know me, neither what I do, so dont try to guess. If not, i agree with you, because many people do this.
"Either take action or shut up, because of people who complain only to do nothing at the end of the day and perpetuate the same old corrupted practices we have enough." - You forgot that people who knows this happens, but pretend it doesn't exist, also "...perpetuate the same old corrupted practices we have enough."
This article: Original / Translated to English is from one of the largest newspapers from here, and shows pretty much what I think (the difference is that I was more harsh, and she (the author) didn't said anything about the violence or something linked to it). I suggest to everybody to read to know more on what I've been trying to say. Like her, I want to the Olympics and World Cup to be the most successful that it can be, but given the recent facts, I'm not too optimist as most other Brazilians.
EDIT: I'm also waiting the time when Brazil isn't going to be famous just because it's natural wonders/soccer/samba/Carnaval... Maybe with Petrobras drilling and extracting petroleum from more than 7000 meters can give us another fame, but now on the technical/technologic side
RIO DE JANEIRO – A police helicopter flying over a clash between drug gangs was hit by gunfire and crashed Saturday, police said. Two officers were killed.
Violence also broke out Saturday in the Jacarezinho neighborhood, where a commuter bus was set on fire. Police did not have details of that event, though gangs sometimes set buses aflame to protest police operations.
Bumping this as there really isn't anywhere to put it, less than two months:
Just seven weeks before the opening ceremony of the Olympics, the governor of Rio de Janeiro has declared a "state of calamity." Interim Governor Francisco Dornelles says the state's government is bankrupt and can't meet its financial commitments ahead of the games.
The financial emergency is just the latest crisis to hit Brazil. The country's president is facing impeachment proceedings and the country is in the middle of an economic recession. A security crisis and the Zika virus have also rattled Brazil, as Lulu Garcia-Navarro has reported.
Lulu tells our Newscast unit that finances in Rio "have been so dire ... that civil servants haven't been paid and hospitals are operating on a shoe string." She adds that even amid a countrywide recession, "the state that is hosting the Olympics has been particularly hard hit." Here's more from Lulu:
"Most of its revenue comes from oil and gas, and the state oil company has been at the center of a corruption scandal. The federal government is expected to bail Rio out with just enough money to see it through the Olympics – but what happens after the athletes go home is still unclear."
In a decree, Dornelles said the state requires emergency measures to prevent "a total collapse in public security, health, education, transport and environmental management," Reuters reported.
Scientists have found dangerous drug-resistant “super bacteria” off beaches in Rio de Janeiro that will host Olympic swimming events and in a lagoon where rowing and canoe athletes will compete when the Games start on Aug. 5.
The findings from two unpublished academic studies seen by Reuters concern Rio’s most popular spots for tourists and greatly increase the areas known to be infected by the microbes normally found only in hospitals.
They also heighten concerns that Rio’s sewage-infested waterways are unsafe.
A study published in late 2014 had shown the presence of the super bacteria – classified by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as an urgent public health threat – off one of the beaches in Guanabara Bay, where sailing and wind-surfing events will be held during the Games.
This is one of those really crazy moments in human history where you have the most bizarre and absurd juxtaposition of two events. The world's Olympic games are being held in a city that is rapidly deteriorating, has rampant crime (a Paralympian had his wheelchair stolen not too long ago amongst dozens of other stories), and waterways contaminated with raw sewage, and flesh eating bacteria that has already infected many athletes.
There is no backup plan...this is a disaster in the making if we actually go ahead with the games. How can anyone think there is going to be a positive outcome here
Well Russian athletes can now focus on their families as there is no Zika virus threat for them and their babies. Although their whole careers are forever gone now and most of them were too committed to have a plan B. Bleh.
“I was threatened with arrest if I did not get in their private car and accompany them to two ATMs to withdraw a large sum of money for a bribe. “This place is well and truly f***ked in every sense of the word imaginable.” Lee’s partner, New Zealand journalist Laura McQuillian, later tweeted: “Boyfriend was accosted by Policia Militar cops who drove him to two ATMs and forced him to withdraw cas #roadtoRio.
So every news story I've read suggests that Rio is a trainwreck. For example:
Despite noting that the World Health Organization is increasingly concerned about the Zika virus, WHO chief Dr. Margaret Chan maintained that there is no reason the 2016 Summer Olympics—which are expected to draw an anticipated 500,000 people to Brazil—should be moved, canceled, or postponed from Rio de Janeiro. "The more we learn about Zika, the more worried we get about it," said Chan at the World Health Assembly, adding that she herself would be attending the games. "But you don't want to bring a standstill to the world's movement of people. This is all about risk assessment and risk management."
But according to new survey data from Allianz Global Assistance, a travel insurance provider, Americans are thinking about the Olympics a little differently than Dr. Chan. Nearly half of Americans surveyed (49 percent) think that the Rio Olympics should in fact be delayed or canceled because of the virus. The survey also found that 71 percent of Americans are not interested in traveling to Rio or Brazil, with 82 percent saying that Zika has some impact on whether they take the trip: 42 percent would definitely not go because of the virus, 23 percent are less interested in going, and only 18 percent would go, but would be worried about Zika during their travels.
The virus, which has now spread to 60 countries and can also be transmitted through sex, was in February declared a global health emergency. In April, the Centers for Disease Control determined that despite earlier theories, the virus does, indeed, cause microcephaly and other birth defects. Experts concerned about the Olympics and calling for their delay or cancellation have said the influx of people in Brazil could potentially accelerate the virus's spread around the world, and spark even more outbreaks. Brazil, for its part, has refused to entertain the possibility.
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2/4/2016: In recent months, the Zika virus has spread rapidly and explosively, leading to travel alerts for more than 20 countries and territories, confirmation that the virus can be spread sexually, and the World Health Organization’s classification of the virus—and its associated health risks—as a global health emergency. Throughout it all, Brazil, a country at the epicenter of the virus, has wrestled with clumsy vaccine testing and overrun hospitals, battled public perception, and faced the inevitable, tough-to-avoid question it doesn't want to even consider: Should the 2016 Summer Olympics be canceled?
In the midst of economic struggles and claims of a corrupt government, the Olympics, slated to begin in Rio de Janeiro on August 5, were expected to give a much-needed lift to the country. Hoping to attract more Olympic-goers (and to entice travelers to spend more time in Brazil) the government even temporarily waived visa requirements for travelers in the country from June 1 through September 18. Yet the Zika virus—and the fear of it—quickly spread, leading to a price drop in fares to the South American nation and a rise in the number of questions. Both Brazilian and foreign athletes expected to compete at the games have voiced their concerns. Kipchoge Keino, the head of Kenya's Olympics committee, said the country wouldn't risk sending its athletes to Brazil if the virus reaches "epidemic levels."
The Brazilian government has remained steadfast in its assurance that the virus will not affect the Olympics, which will cost them more than $13 billion. Federal troops are spraying for mosquitos across the country, officials are reportedly performing daily inspections of Olympic facilities, and neighborhood health inspectors have been tasked with identifying—and eliminating—standing bodies of water where the mosquitoes are known to breed. Given recent confirmation that the virus can spread through sex, health officials say condoms will be available at Carnival venues and health outposts around the city. Yet despite World Health Organization chief Dr. Margaret Chan noting that the agency is increasingly concerned about the virus, the possibility of cancellation has been met with almost uniform dismissal. "This has never been mentioned. No way," said Rio spokesman Mario Andrada earlier this year. "It's impossible to do that. There is no reason to do that." Recently impeached Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff’s former chief of staff, Jaques Wagner, has been as resolute in the past. "We have to explain to those coming to Brazil, the athletes, that there is zero risk if you are not a pregnant women," he told reporters.
But Brazil has also been criticized for its lack of transparency, and for not sharing significant samples and data to determine whether the virus is responsible for the increase in the number of babies born with microcephaly, a rare neurological condition. The lack of information, U.N. and U.S. health officials say, has hindered efforts to provide diagnostic testing, and hampered the development of drugs and vaccines. Residents of the 66 percent of Rio homes whose sewage goes currently untreated have also said they are not hopeful that preventative measures are actually being implemented—or will even work. Community organizer José Martins, from the low-income area of Rocinha, which has some 100,000 people, said he has seen no measures from health officials to do what they said they would—e.g. eliminate standing water and open sewage. "For decades, we have been advocating for improvements in sanitation as the number one priority for public investments here, while the government has insisted on flashier interventions that do not save money on healthcare costs down the line,” he said.
Thus far, the International Olympic Committee has echoed Brazil’s sentiment. Committee president Thomas Bach said he is “very confident” in the steps taken to address the outbreak. In the unlikely event the IOC should decide to cancel the Olympics, it would be the sixth time in history the Games have been scrapped, and the only time in history they’ve been changed because of health reasons—previous dates in 1916 (Berlin), 1940 (Tokyo and Sapporo), and 1944 (London and Cortina d'Ampezzo, Italy) were all canned because of international wars.
Regardless of whether or not Brazil will actually move forward with the Olympics, travel to the country will no doubt be affected: According to data from the World Bank, countries where the virus has been confirmed or where it is expected to spread—the Caribbean, Central America, Mexico, and parts of South America—are at risk of losing some $63.9 billion in international tourism. Stan Sandberg, co-founder of TravelInsurance.com, a trip insurance comparison website, told Condé Nast Traveler he's seen a significant increase in traffic this past week, and adds that the site has been fielding customer inquiries about the virus primarily as it relates to trip cancellation coverage. "We've been seeing a large number of first-time travel insurance buyers who might not have considered it in the past," says Sandberg.
Travelers have seen a rush of flexibility in the wake of the virus, and several major airlines and cruise lines have all offered fee-waived cancellations and alterations: Lufthansa said pregnant passengers and their companions can rebook a flight to any of the affected countries free of charge; United Airlines has a similar policy, offering passengers "who are traveling to the affected regions the opportunity to rebook at a later date or receive a full refund."
Eh, if anyone's going to Rio.. carry small cash on you only. Maybe a throwaway phone as well. If you have nothing you may experience violence when robbed. But if you have something you can hopefully give it up and get away.
There was a detailed reddit thread about these types of robberies as well, it may have had this video linked and it had a 8-10 major points about what to do if you're in this situation. iirc tl;dr just give them your stuff and never mess with anyone with a clown tattoo. Even if it's kids because sometimes those kids have some nasty people behind them.
Less than two weeks ahead of the Olympics, the Rio 2016 organising committee has acknowledged that 19 of the 31 buildings in the Athletes Village have yet to pass safety tests.
With hundreds of athletes turning up by the day, this will add to concerns prompted by gas and water leaks and at least one power outage. The Guardian has also learned that a short circuit caused a small fire on Saturday.
Close to 10% of the competitors have already arrived in Brazil and many are housed in the village, though the shoddy conditions – which include flooded floors, broken elevators, mould and holes in the ceiling – have shocked some team managers, athletes and volunteers.
The organisers promise to resolve the problems by Thursday, but in the interim the Australian team has decided to temporarily rehouse its athletes. The Dutch and Italian teams have also complained and hinted that there may be demands for compensation.
Stress tests – which should have been done months ago – are still less than halfway complete because the 17-storey buildings were delivered behind schedule and the water, gas and electricity were only recently connected.
Although Rio2016 said the faults affected only 5% of the rooms, spokesman Mário Andrada admitted only 12 of the 31 tower blocks have been checked and proved OK.
“This should have been tested a long time ago,” he told the Guardian. “But the problem is there and now our task is to fix it as quickly as possible and to ensure everything is safe.”
The risks were evident on Saturday when a small fire broke out in building 26, which is the home of the Dutch team.
I read that the Italian, American, and dutch federations hired firms on their own dime to bring up their facilities to code and are housing their people in hotels until then.
On July 26 2016 16:35 Sermokala wrote: I read that the Italian, American, and dutch federations hired firms on their own dime to bring up their facilities to code and are housing their people in hotels until then.
The Dutch have hired contractors to fix up the rooms yeah but they are sleeping in the accommodations and not in hotels at the moment.
Remember, don't go to the beach at night. Usually touristy spots like Ipanema, Copa Cabana or Lapa are safe, except in crowds. But with a big event, everything isn't as usual, so have your grain of salt. PUT ON MOSKITO REPELLENT! Contracting dengue feaver sucks. I know from experience. Plus Zika... Only drink bottled water from stores. A shopping centre is nice for cooling down (please don't get shot though!).
Yay, Olympics, or not? I'm not sure...
On July 25 2016 14:28 LegalLord wrote: So every news story I've read suggests that Rio is a trainwreck. For example:
Despite noting that the World Health Organization is increasingly concerned about the Zika virus, WHO chief Dr. Margaret Chan maintained that there is no reason the 2016 Summer Olympics—which are expected to draw an anticipated 500,000 people to Brazil—should be moved, canceled, or postponed from Rio de Janeiro. "The more we learn about Zika, the more worried we get about it," said Chan at the World Health Assembly, adding that she herself would be attending the games. "But you don't want to bring a standstill to the world's movement of people. This is all about risk assessment and risk management."
But according to new survey data from Allianz Global Assistance, a travel insurance provider, Americans are thinking about the Olympics a little differently than Dr. Chan. Nearly half of Americans surveyed (49 percent) think that the Rio Olympics should in fact be delayed or canceled because of the virus. The survey also found that 71 percent of Americans are not interested in traveling to Rio or Brazil, with 82 percent saying that Zika has some impact on whether they take the trip: 42 percent would definitely not go because of the virus, 23 percent are less interested in going, and only 18 percent would go, but would be worried about Zika during their travels.
The virus, which has now spread to 60 countries and can also be transmitted through sex, was in February declared a global health emergency. In April, the Centers for Disease Control determined that despite earlier theories, the virus does, indeed, cause microcephaly and other birth defects. Experts concerned about the Olympics and calling for their delay or cancellation have said the influx of people in Brazil could potentially accelerate the virus's spread around the world, and spark even more outbreaks. Brazil, for its part, has refused to entertain the possibility.
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2/4/2016: In recent months, the Zika virus has spread rapidly and explosively, leading to travel alerts for more than 20 countries and territories, confirmation that the virus can be spread sexually, and the World Health Organization’s classification of the virus—and its associated health risks—as a global health emergency. Throughout it all, Brazil, a country at the epicenter of the virus, has wrestled with clumsy vaccine testing and overrun hospitals, battled public perception, and faced the inevitable, tough-to-avoid question it doesn't want to even consider: Should the 2016 Summer Olympics be canceled?
In the midst of economic struggles and claims of a corrupt government, the Olympics, slated to begin in Rio de Janeiro on August 5, were expected to give a much-needed lift to the country. Hoping to attract more Olympic-goers (and to entice travelers to spend more time in Brazil) the government even temporarily waived visa requirements for travelers in the country from June 1 through September 18. Yet the Zika virus—and the fear of it—quickly spread, leading to a price drop in fares to the South American nation and a rise in the number of questions. Both Brazilian and foreign athletes expected to compete at the games have voiced their concerns. Kipchoge Keino, the head of Kenya's Olympics committee, said the country wouldn't risk sending its athletes to Brazil if the virus reaches "epidemic levels."
The Brazilian government has remained steadfast in its assurance that the virus will not affect the Olympics, which will cost them more than $13 billion. Federal troops are spraying for mosquitos across the country, officials are reportedly performing daily inspections of Olympic facilities, and neighborhood health inspectors have been tasked with identifying—and eliminating—standing bodies of water where the mosquitoes are known to breed. Given recent confirmation that the virus can spread through sex, health officials say condoms will be available at Carnival venues and health outposts around the city. Yet despite World Health Organization chief Dr. Margaret Chan noting that the agency is increasingly concerned about the virus, the possibility of cancellation has been met with almost uniform dismissal. "This has never been mentioned. No way," said Rio spokesman Mario Andrada earlier this year. "It's impossible to do that. There is no reason to do that." Recently impeached Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff’s former chief of staff, Jaques Wagner, has been as resolute in the past. "We have to explain to those coming to Brazil, the athletes, that there is zero risk if you are not a pregnant women," he told reporters.
But Brazil has also been criticized for its lack of transparency, and for not sharing significant samples and data to determine whether the virus is responsible for the increase in the number of babies born with microcephaly, a rare neurological condition. The lack of information, U.N. and U.S. health officials say, has hindered efforts to provide diagnostic testing, and hampered the development of drugs and vaccines. Residents of the 66 percent of Rio homes whose sewage goes currently untreated have also said they are not hopeful that preventative measures are actually being implemented—or will even work. Community organizer José Martins, from the low-income area of Rocinha, which has some 100,000 people, said he has seen no measures from health officials to do what they said they would—e.g. eliminate standing water and open sewage. "For decades, we have been advocating for improvements in sanitation as the number one priority for public investments here, while the government has insisted on flashier interventions that do not save money on healthcare costs down the line,” he said.
Thus far, the International Olympic Committee has echoed Brazil’s sentiment. Committee president Thomas Bach said he is “very confident” in the steps taken to address the outbreak. In the unlikely event the IOC should decide to cancel the Olympics, it would be the sixth time in history the Games have been scrapped, and the only time in history they’ve been changed because of health reasons—previous dates in 1916 (Berlin), 1940 (Tokyo and Sapporo), and 1944 (London and Cortina d'Ampezzo, Italy) were all canned because of international wars.
Regardless of whether or not Brazil will actually move forward with the Olympics, travel to the country will no doubt be affected: According to data from the World Bank, countries where the virus has been confirmed or where it is expected to spread—the Caribbean, Central America, Mexico, and parts of South America—are at risk of losing some $63.9 billion in international tourism. Stan Sandberg, co-founder of TravelInsurance.com, a trip insurance comparison website, told Condé Nast Traveler he's seen a significant increase in traffic this past week, and adds that the site has been fielding customer inquiries about the virus primarily as it relates to trip cancellation coverage. "We've been seeing a large number of first-time travel insurance buyers who might not have considered it in the past," says Sandberg.
Travelers have seen a rush of flexibility in the wake of the virus, and several major airlines and cruise lines have all offered fee-waived cancellations and alterations: Lufthansa said pregnant passengers and their companions can rebook a flight to any of the affected countries free of charge; United Airlines has a similar policy, offering passengers "who are traveling to the affected regions the opportunity to rebook at a later date or receive a full refund."
Anything more promising coming out of Brazil that suggesting that they're making solid progress?
Actually, no. it might calm down when, IF, Dilma comes back to office or Lula gets reelected. But I think this country is like an oil tanker without a captain.
If the conditions are truly as described; Corruption in the police, Insufficient security. Rampant crime and deceases, a economic recession and critically sub-poor living conditions - i find it, (slightly) hurtful to my sanity, that no one in the IOC, or otherwise IS SERIOUSLY contemplating pulling the brakes on this one ..
I might be young and naive - but this seems to be so ill advised. I know that the 2008 OL in China got a lot of criticism for the way that the handled the preperations going into the OL. And at that time people were talking about boicutting it. But unless my view is rose-tainted of the past - this is BEYOND that scope.. So exactly WHAT is happening . T_T
On July 27 2016 15:35 Chr15t wrote: If the conditions are truly as described; Corruption in the police, Insufficient security. Rampant crime and deceases, a economic recession and critically sub-poor living conditions - i find it, (slightly) hurtful to my sanity, that no one in the IOC, or otherwise IS SERIOUSLY contemplating pulling the brakes on this one ..
I might be young and naive - but this seems to be so ill advised. I know that the 2008 OL in China got a lot of criticism for the way that the handled the preperations going into the OL. And at that time people were talking about boicutting it. But unless my view is rose-tainted of the past - this is BEYOND that scope.. So exactly WHAT is happening . T_T
On July 27 2016 15:35 Chr15t wrote: If the conditions are truly as described; Corruption in the police, Insufficient security. Rampant crime and deceases, a economic recession and critically sub-poor living conditions - i find it, (slightly) hurtful to my sanity, that no one in the IOC, or otherwise IS SERIOUSLY contemplating pulling the brakes on this one ..
I might be young and naive - but this seems to be so ill advised. I know that the 2008 OL in China got a lot of criticism for the way that the handled the preperations going into the OL. And at that time people were talking about boicutting it. But unless my view is rose-tainted of the past - this is BEYOND that scope.. So exactly WHAT is happening . T_T
On top of concerns over substandard Olympic village accommodation, athletes have been warned that Rio’s aquatic sites remain contaminated.
Government and Olympic officials admit efforts to treat sewage and clear garbage from Guanabara Bay and the city’s beaches have been insufficient, prompting warnings from health experts.
The bay will host the sailing and windsurfing events at next month’s Olympics.
Scientists say the waters are filled with a host of pathogens and viruses with recent tests showing it is more contaminated than first thought, The New York Times reported.
One doctor told The Times that athletes will “literally be swimming in human crap”.
Paediatrician Daniel Becker also warned they were at risk of getting sick from microorganisms and toxins in the water.
Health experts have advised competitors to keep their mouths shut.
The Australia team’s problems with their accommodation in the Olympic village have gone from bad to worse. Having initially refused to move into their building because of concerns over “blocked toilets, leaking pipes and exposed wiring”, they have now become victims of theft having been forced to evacuate their rooms because of a fire. To make it worse, they claim the fire alarms had been deactivated.
Two laptops and team shirts were stolen from the Australia team’s accommodation on Friday night when a fire started in the basement. The team suspect the fire was caused by a cigarette being carelessly tossed into rubbish by a worker. Around 100 of the team and staff left the building for half an hour, which is when the thefts are alleged to have taken place.
“We did lose some shirts and a couple of laptops, one on the fifth floor from a cycling official and one in the office downstairs,” the Australian Olympic Committee spokesman Mike Tancred said on Sunday.
However, the Australians are angrier that the fire alarms had been deactivated. They claim that the veteran shooter Warren Potent slept through the fire and was not woken by knocks on his door or phone calls.
Kitty Chiller, the Australian chef de mission, said: “Obviously that is completely unacceptable that a) the fire alarm was disabled and b) that if it had to be, that we weren’t warned about that.” The team have now elected fire wardens for each floor of the 18-storey building.
The Rio mayor, Eduardo Paes, had previously sought to play down the Australian team’s concerns before this latest incident. He told the athletes that perhaps they might be more comfortable if he installed a kangaroo. Chiller responded by giving Paes a toy kangaroo in return.
they should make the dangerous water part of the competition. Like in these pro wrestling matches when the wrestling ring is surrounded by a wall of fire. if a swimmer dies within 1 month of the Olympics they're stripped of their medal and the next highest place surviving swimmer gets the medal.
So are all teams still going despite obvious poor preparation?
I remember a significant protest by Brazilians shortly after they got the games asking them to revoke their decision because the country wasn't ready and it would fail and fuck over the country. I feel more and more that those protesters were spot on.
On August 02 2016 02:36 LegalLord wrote: So are all teams still going despite obvious poor preparation?
I remember a significant protest by Brazilians shortly after they got the games asking them to revoke their decision because the country wasn't ready and it would fail and fuck over the country. I feel more and more that those protesters were spot on.
i used to go to ECW and AWF events for the danger factor; everything was so disorganized and totally fucked up... it was funny and scarey at the same time. Its hilarious watching the Olympics being run like an indy pro wrestling promotion.
Reading the first page of this thread is almost heart breaking. People excited for Rio and the OP happy for their city and wanting the world to see it. Now all this, just ouch.
On August 02 2016 04:43 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Reading the first page of this thread is almost heart breaking. People excited for Rio and the OP happy for their city and wanting the world to see it. Now all this, just ouch.
This thread is far more optimistic than the people from Brazil I know who were talking about their country's ability to make it work.
Just days before the start of the Olympic Games the waterways of Rio de Janeiro are as filthy as ever, contaminated with raw human sewage teeming with dangerous viruses and bacteria, according to a 16-month-long study commissioned by The Associated Press.
Not only are some 1,400 athletes at risk of getting violently ill in disciplines such as sailing and open water swimming, but the AP’s tests indicate that tourists also face potentially serious health risks on the beaches of Ipanema and Copacabana.
The AP’s survey of the aquatic Olympic and Paralympic venues has revealed consistent and dangerously high levels of viruses from the pollution, a major black eye on Rio’s Olympic project that has set off alarm bells among sailors, rowers and open-water swimmers.
The first results of the study published over a year ago showed viral levels at up to 1.7m times what would be considered problematic in the United States or Europe. At those concentrations, swimmers and athletes who ingest just three teaspoons of water are almost certain to be infected with viruses that can cause stomach and respiratory illnesses and more rarely heart and brain inflammation — although whether they actually fall ill depends on a series of factors including the strength of the individual’s immune system.
Since the AP released the initial results last July, athletes have been taking elaborate precautions to prevent illnesses that could potentially knock them out of the competition, including preventatively taking antibiotics, bleaching oars and donning plastic suits and gloves in a bid to limit contact with the water.
But antibiotics combat bacterial infections, not viruses. And the AP investigation found that infectious adenovirus readings — tested with cell cultures and verified with molecular biology protocols — turned up at nearly 90% of the test sites over 16 months of testing.
“That’s a very, very, very high percentage,” said Dr Valerie Harwood, chair of the department of integrative biology at the University of South Florida. “Seeing that level of human pathogenic virus is pretty much unheard of in surface waters in the US. You would never, ever see these levels because we treat our waste water. You just would not see this.”
While athletes take precautions, there is also concern for the 300,000-500,000 foreigners expected to descend on Rio for the Olympics. Testing at several of the city’s world-famous beaches has shown that in addition to persistently high viral loads, the beaches often have levels of bacterial markers for sewage pollution that would be cause for concern abroad — and sometimes even exceed Rio state’s lax water safety standards.
In light of the AP’s findings, Harwood had one piece of advice for travelers to Rio: “Don’t put your head underwater.” Swimmers who cannot heed that advice stand to ingest water through their mouths and noses and therefore risk “getting violently ill,” she said.
On August 02 2016 04:43 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Reading the first page of this thread is almost heart breaking. People excited for Rio and the OP happy for their city and wanting the world to see it. Now all this, just ouch.
People are naive. I'm surprised many are just wising up to the fact that the Olympics are a money pit for the vast majority of host cities. Greece's Olympics played a part in their economic collapse. China has over a billion people and their expensive stadiums in Beijing are just gathering dust. It's a vanity project for politicians.
London probably did comparatively ok. The only cities that make money are ones like LA where they use existing infrastructure that will continue to be used long after the Olympics are done.
This whole ordeal is so sad. I hope the Olympics can be a respectable event once again. I have fond memories of the Olympics, like the time when a girl living down my street won 2 gold medals at Lillehammer or when Ali lit the olympic flame in Atlanta...(hell I was so mad in 1998 (and still am tbh) when the canadian coach left Wayne fucking Gretzky on the bench for the shootout)
now the memories I have from the Olympics are the 50 billion dollars Putin spent to hold a 2 week party in a city that has since been forgotten, or the fact that China keeps hosting the Olympics without giving a fuck about human rights...
Russia's Olympic event was used as an infrastructure project to expand Sochi into a hub city in the area. While I don't know if you can say it was worth the cost, the city has only been forgotten by people who don't care about internal Russian politics in the first place.
On August 02 2016 07:53 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: This whole ordeal is so sad. I hope the Olympics can be a respectable event once again. I have fond memories of the Olympics, like the time when a girl living down my street won 2 gold medals at Lillehammer or when Ali lit the olympic flame in Atlanta...(hell I was so mad in 1998 (and still am tbh) when the canadian coach left Wayne fucking Gretzky on the bench for the shootout) now the memories I have from the Olympics are the 50 billion dollars Putin spent to hold a 2 week party in a city that has since been forgotten, or the fact that China keeps hosting the Olympics without giving a fuck about human rights...
it just exposes the joke of a fraud that the IOC actually is. the olympics and the IOC have always been bullshit. in the 1988 olympics every male in the 100m sprint went on to get busted for steroid use. in the immortal words of sam jackson : "the IOC is as crooked as a barrel of snakes".
Wayne was not much of a scorer late in his career and he never was that great on breakaways and penalty shots. They really missed Mario Lemieux for that shootout. He was unstoppable on penalty shots and he had Hasek's # his entire career. Canada got outplayed for much of that game against the Czech Republic. Its become an urban legend that somehow Hasek "stole the game". He didn't. Canada deserved to lose.
On August 02 2016 08:06 LegalLord wrote: Russia's Olympic event was used as an infrastructure project to expand Sochi into a hub city in the area. While I don't know if you can say it was worth the cost, the city has only been forgotten by people who don't care about internal Russian politics in the first place.
On August 02 2016 08:06 LegalLord wrote: Russia's Olympic event was used as an infrastructure project to expand Sochi into a hub city in the area. While I don't know if you can say it was worth the cost, the city has only been forgotten by people who don't care about internal Russian politics in the first place.
If you want to believe Sotchi is a thriving metropolis be my guest. Im going to keep believing it was a Putin 50 billion dollars powertrip that contributed to ruin what was left of the olympics' credibility.
The NY times article even states the Sotchi arena is now the main hockey arena in Russia. Like wtf? Are people from Moscow taking a week long train trip to the games?
Meh, if you want to look at half-truths and convince yourself that $50 billion were wasted, be my guest. There was certainly some waste but your assertion that the city is a ghost town is just plain wrong.
On August 02 2016 09:48 LegalLord wrote: Meh, if you want to look at half-truths and convince yourself that $50 billion were wasted, be my guest. There was certainly some waste but your assertion that the city is a ghost town is just plain wrong.
yeah ok
Researcher Dr Martin Mller, of the University of Birmingham, said: “The main legacy of the Games is oversized infrastructure at inflated prices, paid for almost exclusively by the public. “While this applies to many mega events elsewhere - particularly in developing economies - the extent of expenditure and underutilisation in Russia is unparalleled.”
He added: “Russia’s two major goals in hosting the Games were to catapult Sochi into the same league of world class winter sports resorts as Zermatt, Vail and Whistler, and to present to the outside world a new face of Russia as an open, modern and attractive country.
“The sobering reality is they have failed miserably on both counts.”
The resort is now hugely overdeveloped for its current levels of occupancy, the report said, and hotels are struggling to survive.
Sporting venues are underused and the main rail line carries just six trains a day in each direction.
Less than a week before the 2016 Rio Olympics are set to start, the Brazil Ministry of Justice terminated its contract with a private firm that was supposed to provide security for the games. The ministry cited “incompetence and irresponsibility” from the Rio de Janeiro-based firm Artel, and moved to strip them of their duties.
It’s not hard to see why the Ministry of Justice reacted so harshly. With only a few days left until the first venues are set to open, Artel admitted that they have only hired 500 security personnel.
They were supposed to hire 3,400.
These staff members were going to be responsible for screening visitors outside each Olympic venue. X-ray machines and body searches are now going to be handled by local police forces to secure areas that are expected to have tens of thousands of screaming fans.
The same local police that had this welcoming sign for tourists last month.
Police have voiced concerns over pay, and there have been open strikes in the lead-up to the Rio Olympics. A total of 85,000 security forces are still expected to be present when the competition begins Wednesday.
The legacy of Sochi is that they found a place in Russia that doesn't get much snow. Of course, that's a tad inconvenient when you want to host a Winter Olympics. The 2022 one is going to be held in Beijing, which doesn't get much either. They're going to have to truck in loads of snow from way out of town.
On August 03 2016 00:26 andrewlt wrote: The legacy of Sochi is that they found a place in Russia that doesn't get much snow. Of course, that's a tad inconvenient when you want to host a Winter Olympics. The 2022 one is going to be held in Beijing, which doesn't get much either. They're going to have to truck in loads of snow from way out of town.
Bribe money > snow
At least I have faith in China to host a proper Olympics.