• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:38
CEST 06:38
KST 13:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues21LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments2Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris75
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers? Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
The Korean Terminology Thread [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL ASL20 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group A [ASL20] Ro16 Group B Is there English video for group selection for ASL BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1308 users

[Update] New novel featuring SC2 available now! - Page 3

Forum Index > Sponsored Threads
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12 Next All
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
June 21 2011 22:08 GMT
#41
On June 22 2011 06:49 Phil Phoenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 04:30 fearlessparagon wrote:
Sounds like Enders game


Have you read Ender's Game? I haven't read anything about this book except for the description in the OP and I can promise you that this is NOTHING like Ender's Game.


They are very different. This proves objective writing isn't easy. It's take massive subjective involvement. I'm still very happy for Erika Mitchell, she did something. As an intelligent animal I feel the ordinary is overlooked as obvious.
Support your esport!
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 22:18:36
June 21 2011 22:16 GMT
#42
On June 22 2011 05:04 Odal wrote:
I don't know if any of you have actually read the chapters but.. Practicing for gsl in team games? It's horribly written and it makes me embarrassed to be a member of the starcraft community


You can not bash a fictional book for not being exactly like the real world. Its fiction for a reason. You can find many books writing about real things where its not completly like the real world (Dan Brown - to name a known one).
You can however dislike the writing style, theme, wording, language and/or tons of other stuff that are more technical. I read a lot, mostly english fantasy, and after reading the sample chapters i was not impressed. But neither was a going "Oh god stop".
It seems like a decent try to write a story involving SC2, but from the chapters it seems to have a wrong angle (for me). It didn't catch me in the ways that other books do after 1-2 chapters. It might get better, it might not - some of my best books had horrible first chapters - but i won't pay to find out.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Datum
Profile Joined February 2011
United States371 Posts
June 21 2011 22:20 GMT
#43
Hey, don't worry about the haters. You wrote a fucking book about Starcraft! That's awesome! Honestly, even if it was the worst written, stupidest book of all time (which I'm sure it's not), it would STILL be uberpro.

I expect a HoTS sequel.
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 22:31:52
June 21 2011 22:28 GMT
#44
Ugh. Why, when you see the rich wealth of competition, community and personalities, would you write about FBI agents and international fugitive status? Its sounds to me like cookie cutter teen fiction with a Starcraft twist to draw in buyers. When I think of a novel about gamers I want to hear the author discuss what it is life trying to improve at the game while balancing life, school and perceptions of friends/family. The game itself is somewhat unimportant in my eyes; what we want to know about is the E-SPORTS spirit, that which does us to spend hours a day at computers diligently practicing, all the while seeing the beauty and science of the game unfold countless times before our eyes.

When you watch this, this and of course #100 do you think to yourself, "Man, how cool would it be if NaDa was kidnapped by terrorists"?

GL with your book.
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 22:40:26
June 21 2011 22:36 GMT
#45
I hope she continues to pursue her hobby & publish again. This feedback is very important for an artist.

Thanks Dali., This helped me conceptualize more of my idea emotionally. Hotbid says it best in his Youtube channel "Showing the spectacle of will, pain, triumph, and emotion that so aptly defines the Korean Pro-Gaming scene."
+ Show Spoiler +
Support your esport!
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 23:05:09
June 21 2011 22:43 GMT
#46
Edited out vaguely trolly first paragraph.

When it comes down to it, there are certain things that will make me read a novel: a character I can relate to, a plot I care about, or a world I'd like to explore. I'll read a book that has one of these things, I'll really enjoy a book with two, and I'll love and reread and recommend a book with all three. I think some people get the wrong idea when a critic or reader asks for "a character they can relate to." We don't want someone we share the boring aspects of our life with. Its like with your friends - you don't care that you both eat at Chipotle, wear the same brand of socks... the important things you relate to each other about are how you think and your passions. Sean Boxer, as far as the first two chapters go, does not think and is not passionate about anything. He's not passionate about writing; he's approached by an individual who expresses a modicum of interest, and shuts her down. If someone expresses interest to me about say, photography (which I am passionate about), I wouldn't be able to stop myself from talking! Doesn't matter if that person is underaged, male, female, deaf, mute, blind, whatever! Our hero doesn't even blink, which leads me to believe he doesn't care about his writing or want to share it particularly much. He's not even passionate about Starcraft, like the target audience is! He plays a game, reads TL a little, and heads out to go get some coffee. There's nothing there, it just feels like a hobby in the story.

Still, he may have other things he is passionate about that haven't been revealed yet. But how does he think about the world? Can I relate to him in that way?

Routine took over and his mind wandered while he walked the three blocks to The Beanerie, a coffee shop where he was more or less a regular. A light wind tossed his curly blond hair off his forehead as scattered raindrops smeared their way down his glasses. He kept his head tucked to his chest, letting the fresh air clear his mind the way it always did.


Quite plainly, he doesn't think. He's filled with the routine, taking out the trash, getting takeout, drinking coffee... and then he even feels the need to clear his mind out of the boring stuff! To what end? Even if it's something little, like "He ducked his head and walked a little faster in the rain, wondering if, in fact, he was getting his glasses wetter by jogging..." And then the audience thinks, "Oh, I totally know someone like that!" Or if you're me, you go, "Oh, I totally do that! If I go faster, I add a relative horizontal component to the velocity of the raindrop which makes it hit the plane of my glasses more! Surely there must be an optimal speed to walk at the minimizes time out but ...." and so forth. Instead, we're left with nothing to latch on to, just a dry, empty guy walking down the street thinking about absolutely nothing.

And then he sits down to write his novel! Hopefully we can get something from him that we can relate to! How does he write? How does his imagination work? Do I know someone like him? Am I like him? Instead of a description of his personality or his imagination, a very rich well of information which can be drawn upon, the author instead gives us a picture of fish flopping around in his empty ocean of a brain.

The thread of the story recovered, it was easy for him to spill the contents of his mind across the keyboard. Ideas unspooled from his mind, chasing one another like carp until afternoon turned into dusk...


That tells me nothing about Sean, his goals, his thoughts, his personality, his passion. What a wasted opportunity!

And then there's the plot. From the synopsis it sounds mildly interesting, but hardly consider me sold. While we don't get a glimpse of it in the sample chapters, I can forgive that for the development that should have been happening. My only comment is that I hope the author did her research. Throwing things like the FBI in cheapen it and make it feel "Hollywood-fake" unless you add a thick veneer of well researched polish.

While I was writing this wall of text, someone else mentioned how many storylines already exist in the communty, and that's true to some extent. Imagine a mystery novelization of the betting scandal in Korea! Using the infamous "based on a true story" you can even add in a foreign player character, some heightened drama, and bam! instant mystery novel. If you want a more character driven sports novel plot (think movies like The Fighter, Million Dollar Baby, Remember the Titans, etc.) find / create someone who goes through that struggle to succeed, the underdog who we cheer for. If the community is already cheering for them in real life, imagine how easily you can hook a reader by adding drama to the situation of something like Tasteless vs Day9, or Grrrr trying to make it in Korea.

And then there's the setting. The real world, which is, to be fair, quite interesting. But there's no focus on it! You're exploring Korean culture, from a westerner's perspective... make sure to play up the differences, the similarities, the shocks, and all the little details that make culture so intriguing. Again, none of this comes across in the samples, but I hope it is well developed when the time comes.

While I'd love to support endeavors of the Starcraft community, the sample chapters do not give me much faith that my expectations for a good plot or setting will be met. Hopefully the author can work on her writing and come back with something more well crafted.

Good luck!
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
June 21 2011 22:58 GMT
#47
Sounds like a lulzy funfic ESPORTS

glhf, but I don't think I'll be picking it up anytime soon.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
Richis
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada8 Posts
June 21 2011 23:06 GMT
#48
I think if you were to write a book about SC2 you would be far better off writing about the lore, although that is definitely the intellectual property of blizzard so it would be hard.

I just don't think that anyone but a pro-gamer can understand what they put themselves through and their training regiments ect so for anyone to write about it is doing it ignorantly.
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
June 21 2011 23:08 GMT
#49
I dunno, 1 post for that account kind of ruins it for me. This isn't an advertisement site to reach a hard-to-get demographic, but ppl seem to forget that from time to time
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
June 21 2011 23:09 GMT
#50
On June 22 2011 08:08 tehemperorer wrote:
I dunno, 1 post for that account kind of ruins it for me. This isn't an advertisement site to reach a hard-to-get demographic, but ppl seem to forget that from time to time


Its under sponsored threads, meaning that person paid money to have it show up here.
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
June 21 2011 23:12 GMT
#51
On June 22 2011 08:06 Richis wrote:
I think if you were to write a book about SC2 you would be far better off writing about the lore, although that is definitely the intellectual property of blizzard so it would be hard.

I just don't think that anyone but a pro-gamer can understand what they put themselves through and their training regiments ect so for anyone to write about it is doing it ignorantly.


That's why writers do interviews and research. Do you really think pro players, when asked about their path to becoming a pro (especially for a published book), would do anything less than spill their guts?

Funny that you'd mention realism and writing with first hand knowledge, yet the book is about FBI agents and "bureaucratic red tape".
Scouter
Profile Joined April 2011
United States6 Posts
June 21 2011 23:17 GMT
#52
Wow, thanks for all the feedback!

Some positive, some less so. I would just say for perspective, this isn't a book about Starcraft, but a thriller set against an eSports background, and I would take it as such.
weareallclowns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark113 Posts
June 21 2011 23:25 GMT
#53
The chapters didn't really sell it to me, the cover is awesome tho.
we are all co-authoring a gigantic Dostoevsky novel, starring clowns! - T. Levitch
Strayline
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States330 Posts
June 21 2011 23:33 GMT
#54
Klazzart? Is that you?
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 21 2011 23:36 GMT
#55
The summary sounds so ridiculously cheesy rofl, don't think I'll be reading.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
ErikaMitchell
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
June 21 2011 23:40 GMT
#56
On June 22 2011 05:04 Odal wrote:
I don't know if any of you have actually read the chapters but.. Practicing for gsl in team games? It's horribly written and it makes me embarrassed to be a member of the starcraft community


Hi! I'm the author, and a few people have commented on this so I just thought I'd weigh in. Obviously as a pro gamer, the majority of his games are 1v1. But, what I wanted to convey in his interactions with his teammates was a sense of camaraderie. Gamers get a lot of crap for being loners, but what I'm trying to show in this book is a vibrant community.

As for the poorly written part? Well, all I can do is shrug to that. I do, however, appreciate that you took the time to read the sample chapters.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
June 21 2011 23:40 GMT
#57
Lol, this is why self-publishing by amateur writers is a terrible idea.
ErikaMitchell
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
June 21 2011 23:43 GMT
#58
On June 22 2011 05:30 Benjef wrote:
How long is that book? I'm very interested to read it but I'd like to hear some reviews first :D. Available in the UK? (Paperback)


The book is a little over 76,000 words, or about 300 pages as a paperback. Thanks for your interest!
ErikaMitchell
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
June 21 2011 23:48 GMT
#59
On June 22 2011 06:31 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 05:04 Odal wrote:
I don't know if any of you have actually read the chapters but.. Practicing for gsl in team games? It's horribly written and it makes me embarrassed to be a member of the starcraft community

Yeah. I don't want to shit in someone's sponsored thread but I am torn between this just being bad but an honest person's effort at writing a story or if it's the result of someone who noticed how popular SC2 is lately and having the clever idea to type out a short story one afternoon and sell it because they knew at least a handful of people will support anything if you throw out the magic word (esports).

It's not very good


I think it's understandable to wonder where I was coming from when I wrote this. After all, I'm not a gamer!

My husband is, however, and I came up with the story idea while he was telling me about the GSL last year. Pro gaming was an entirely new world to me, and I thought it would be fun and cool to introduce people to it.

And it was.

I learned how to play Starcraft 2, I watched so many Day9 replays I sometimes hear Sean Plott's voice in my head, and I took enough notes to choke a goat. Starcraft 2 is cool, and my goal in writing this book was to share a fun story and maybe introduce new people to pro gaming.
ErikaMitchell
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
June 21 2011 23:56 GMT
#60
On June 22 2011 07:28 Dali. wrote:
Ugh. Why, when you see the rich wealth of competition, community and personalities, would you write about FBI agents and international fugitive status? Its sounds to me like cookie cutter teen fiction with a Starcraft twist to draw in buyers. When I think of a novel about gamers I want to hear the author discuss what it is life trying to improve at the game while balancing life, school and perceptions of friends/family. The game itself is somewhat unimportant in my eyes; what we want to know about is the E-SPORTS spirit, that which does us to spend hours a day at computers diligently practicing, all the while seeing the beauty and science of the game unfold countless times before our eyes.

When you watch this, this and of course #100 do you think to yourself, "Man, how cool would it be if NaDa was kidnapped by terrorists"?

GL with your book.


Thanks for commenting! I can't do anything about my idea seeming cookie-cutter. It is, admittedly, not the most original idea in the world.

However, if you read on you will see that I did my best to do justice to the very issues you've brought up. I won't give away any spoilers, but I am acutely aware of the perils of pursuing a passion that many people may not understand or give credence to.

It's tough to convey the emotional scope of a novel in the first two chapters, but should you ever find occasion to read on I think you'll be mollified by what you find.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#48
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech77
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 443
PianO 181
Leta 121
sSak 65
Bale 40
yabsab 37
Noble 9
Icarus 7
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K405
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox334
Other Games
summit1g8682
tarik_tv5548
C9.Mang0494
WinterStarcraft443
Maynarde138
RuFF_SC279
Tasteless15
trigger2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1536
BasetradeTV18
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH345
• practicex 27
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21340
League of Legends
• Rush1214
• Lourlo724
• Stunt389
Other Games
• Scarra765
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
7h 22m
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
MaxPax vs Creator
TBD vs Classic
OSC
11h 22m
Moja vs Babymarine
Solar vs TBD
sOs vs goblin
Nice vs INexorable
sebesdes vs Iba
Nicoract vs TBD
NightMare vs TBD
OSC
19h 22m
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
RSL Revival
1d 5h
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 8h
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.