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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
November 03 2011 20:55 GMT
#141
Looks really nice! Good luck. I've been thinking about taking a few lessons for a while now.

I do have to admit, the price did scare me a bit though
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Ace.Xile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 21:06:41
November 03 2011 21:04 GMT
#142
On October 14 2011 10:26 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 02:58 Ripebananaa wrote:
On October 14 2011 01:15 CrushDog5 wrote:
I think this is a good alternative to individual coaching, which is ridiculously expensive, and may be a lot more productive in most cases. Players definitely need something more than streams and ladder, if they want to improve quickly.

I think coaching and playing are different skills.
Besides, imagine a coaching session with idra:

Idra: Thanks for the $300 dollars.
You: Sure, I'm really excited to be here. So, what did you think of the replay I sent you.
Idra: Basically, I think you're the worst player I've ever seen. Just terrible. I mean really, really bad.
You: What should I do to get better?
Idra: Get better? You're terrible. Everything you do is bad. Your macro is bad, your micro is bad. Everything. The only chance you have to win is if your opponent disconnects. Your best bet is to just put up extractors everywhere and hope for a disconnect.
You: I wouldn't do that.
Idra: I wouldn't either, but then I'm not as terrible as you.
You: But I want to improve!
Idra: Improve? You can't improve, you are awful. You've lost already. Just quit, leave the game. In fact, I can feel myself getting worse just by talking to you.
>> Idra disconnects



I sincerely hope you're not that ignorant.

It's idra


Point? I'm also a dick in real life, and i also know one of the most cocky asses in the world, yet i get paid to teach people, and he gets paid to tutor people, and we both do pretty well at it. Since when does how a person act in one situation imply that they will always act like that. Hell go look at him when he casted the NASL, hands down one of the best casters i've ever seen, and acted entirely different from his classic BM.

This thing looks interesting, but i feel like nearly 30 dollars a month is kind of steep for "lessons" at least on my budget. yeah ik ppl like idra charge some ungodly 300 dollars an hour or something but id rather just learn for myself. Best of luck to whoever tries it though.
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
November 03 2011 21:58 GMT
#143
Since this caught my eye the first time around, I guess I should give some feedback. First, I submitted a replay and got one response that included some information on ways that I could improve. The post was very informative but I was surprised no one else had any thoughts about it. I also didn't agree with all that was said, different mindsets I suppose !
(then again I am no "pro").

Having a TL like forum is fun but,the thing that got me to put down that first month's pay to the site was the videos ! It looked really cool and I thought I would be exposed to constant upcoming strategies and pro tips. Now I am an understanding person, and there have been alot of events going on (MLG) so it is expected that the site isn't as active as it should/could be. That being said: the last Terran Tutorial was Sept 12.

I guess... I never really gave the site a fair chance, I maybe have spent a total of six hours browsing it in the last month. So maybe the current content that is on there is already enough. Some of the tutorials they have on there are really cool. But I guess I joined for the wrong reasons and I'll be better off with a notepad and GSL in HQ. All in all, I am not going to give them a rating or anything, just going to say I will not be renewing my subscription anytime soon.
ponyo.848
Ghostface_Killa
Profile Joined March 2011
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 22:45:15
November 03 2011 22:32 GMT
#144
I have a feeling HotKeyIt made their pricing decisions mistakenly, assuming that people will drop $27/mo on their subscriptions since there's a small handful of people who are going to Gosu Coaching or pros like Idra. A website like this, if done right, has the potential to become massively popular if it were free or if the subscription's cost were comparable to GOMTV's, popular enough to attract corporate sponsors even. In the end, big corporate sponsors are what they and every other startup out there should be aiming for, and they'll never achieve that with their current approach.

I also concur HotKeyIt needs to hire some serious pros who can pull off their techniques on the Korean Ladder if they want to establish credibility. For example, I've seen enough pros like HuK, HongunPrime and SlayerS_Puzzle get stomped by the 1-1-1 using 10 different techniques, and others like NHSH_Sage, TSL_Killer and oGsMC BEAT it with FE+Blink Stalkers or Phoenix+DT. That said I have no reason to believe Classic's guide to stopping it with 3 gate variations even worth the watching, much less paying for.
Arrested for what, baby? Being awesome?
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
November 03 2011 22:44 GMT
#145
On November 04 2011 05:11 HellGreen wrote:
I watched the video with the 'Terran hotkeys', and I'm really disappointed.

1. He talks about learning to use hotkeys, yet doesn't enable the hotkey tool tip in options, so you don't have to hover each button (Options - Gameplay - Display Command Hotkey Text). Obviously a big help for the average beginner.
2. He encourages to use the standard hotkey setup for your race, because some "competitive events" don't allow to change them? Can anyone name a tournament that does this? And compare it to those that allow it. At least mention grid too. Personally I feel a player that is conscious about his choice of hotkeys will evolve faster and play better. And then he changes the camera hotkeys....
3. Teaches about camera hotkeys, but scrolls around using the mouse more than using the cameras.

I expect more from someone that charges for that kind of service, and therefore I'm not impressed.


1. The tooltip is bad to use for learning.
2. I said that's one reason not to modify them, but the standard keys are also the best. The video isn't meant to show you every single possibility and the grid sucks IMO. Viewers asked this in the video thread and you can read the responses there.
3. The "camera hotkeys" are used for a specific task, not moving around the map in general.
Ghostface_Killa
Profile Joined March 2011
United States168 Posts
November 03 2011 22:52 GMT
#146
On November 04 2011 07:44 Skew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 05:11 HellGreen wrote:
I watched the video with the 'Terran hotkeys', and I'm really disappointed.

1. He talks about learning to use hotkeys, yet doesn't enable the hotkey tool tip in options, so you don't have to hover each button (Options - Gameplay - Display Command Hotkey Text). Obviously a big help for the average beginner.
2. He encourages to use the standard hotkey setup for your race, because some "competitive events" don't allow to change them? Can anyone name a tournament that does this? And compare it to those that allow it. At least mention grid too. Personally I feel a player that is conscious about his choice of hotkeys will evolve faster and play better. And then he changes the camera hotkeys....
3. Teaches about camera hotkeys, but scrolls around using the mouse more than using the cameras.

I expect more from someone that charges for that kind of service, and therefore I'm not impressed.


1. The tooltip is bad to use for learning.
2. I said that's one reason not to modify them, but the standard keys are also the best. The video isn't meant to show you every single possibility and the grid sucks IMO. Viewers asked this in the video thread and you can read the responses there.
3. The "camera hotkeys" are used for a specific task, not moving around the map in general.


Sorry, Skew, but the standard hotkeys are only "the best" if you're already used to them from SC1/BW. For both tactical and ergonomic reasons, I modified my hotkeys so they're all on the left-hand side of the keyboard, and it now feels more like playing a piano rather than typing on a computer with one hand. My APM also tripled as a result from being able to move my hands less and therefore more efficiently. But don't take my word for it - Tastosis have revently mentioned several times how they've been radically modifying their own hotkeys, even after 13 yrs of using BW's standard set-up.
Arrested for what, baby? Being awesome?
Doja
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States15 Posts
November 03 2011 23:04 GMT
#147
Content seems really lackluster for your price tag to be honest. I'm a sucker for subscription video services. I utilized a few for poker and really enjoyed them. I was excited when I saw this thread, but after browsing your sight it's fairly meh. A decent amount of outdated videos and a whopping 1 video doing a leak finder for a silver Terran in October.

TLO uses grid
Huk uses a custom setup
Not being nitpicky but your reasons for grid sucks, or dont use custom set ups just seems like it is based on personal bias vice fact, and since this is the sample video you chose to show for my chosen race I can only assume the rest of the video's will be the same. The rest of the information given out in this video was given out by day9 6 months ago for free.

It's a pass for me, but if the content improves dramatically I would consider signing up.
Kaboom
RevRich
Profile Joined February 2011
United States218 Posts
November 03 2011 23:25 GMT
#148
Excellent alternative to the increasingly overpriced world of coaching.
Thorantham
Profile Joined September 2010
United States221 Posts
November 04 2011 02:20 GMT
#149
How is this different from Nerdstomper (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210794) which was 1/5th the cost but didn't succeed?
HellGreen
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark1146 Posts
November 04 2011 03:26 GMT
#150
On November 04 2011 07:44 Skew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 05:11 HellGreen wrote:
I watched the video with the 'Terran hotkeys', and I'm really disappointed.

1. He talks about learning to use hotkeys, yet doesn't enable the hotkey tool tip in options, so you don't have to hover each button (Options - Gameplay - Display Command Hotkey Text). Obviously a big help for the average beginner.
2. He encourages to use the standard hotkey setup for your race, because some "competitive events" don't allow to change them? Can anyone name a tournament that does this? And compare it to those that allow it. At least mention grid too. Personally I feel a player that is conscious about his choice of hotkeys will evolve faster and play better. And then he changes the camera hotkeys....
3. Teaches about camera hotkeys, but scrolls around using the mouse more than using the cameras.

I expect more from someone that charges for that kind of service, and therefore I'm not impressed.


1. The tooltip is bad to use for learning.
2. I said that's one reason not to modify them, but the standard keys are also the best. The video isn't meant to show you every single possibility and the grid sucks IMO. Viewers asked this in the video thread and you can read the responses there.
3. The "camera hotkeys" are used for a specific task, not moving around the map in general.


Thanks for your reply. I got some comments.

Ad 1) Please explain why mouse-hovering is better than just glancing with your eyes? At least turn the option on for starters, then turn it off later for practice or make a quiz with a buddy or something. It's really useful for those things you seldom get (ie. Raven upgrades and the like).
Ad 2) Please do explain why any key on the right side of the keyboard is better than on the left. Ie. the "Planetary upgrade" for CC on the "P" button as default.
Free to do whatever I want!
TheSurgeonTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States131 Posts
November 04 2011 08:57 GMT
#151
I've been meaning to change my location jump hotkeys for awhile, and your video finally conviced me to play a computer and do it.
Bringing Starcraft Main Stream
Ghost Reportin
Profile Joined September 2010
83 Posts
November 04 2011 10:35 GMT
#152
i do agree that people should be paid for their time but knowledge is power and its suppose to be free. i think people need to focus on sponsers or using linkbucks or ads or you tube partnerships. theirs many ways to get paid without taking from the little guy. id much rather be asked for donations like day 9 does (and he probably provides the same information) then pay. hes really the one whos instructional videos are of any sort of good quality or informational substance.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
November 04 2011 10:46 GMT
#153
On October 13 2011 10:13 Mczeppo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!


A couple of hours with idra would not help more because newbies have to learn basics...
It's a waste of money unless you are already very good.

Yea, not to mention that it's not like we know IdrA is good at teaching anyone anything. Lineup is actually quite impressive - I recognize at least half the coaches and it's not like I know everyone playing every SC2 tournament out there.

Demanding players of IdrA calliber as coaches is like demanding Jenson Button to teach you how to drive on a race track.
Thunderfist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland159 Posts
November 04 2011 17:34 GMT
#154
So, here are my thoughts about Terran Hotkeys lesson.

First, it's great for a newbie, it starts normally then goes into something that average player may not know. There's some kind of impact behind every advise - which i like, it doesnt makes me want to just think "Meh, i'll do it later" and then you forget it, it's explained after advice. Though I would like to see more examples in all these advices, it's just best to tell you the consequences behind your wrong-doing, instead of saying blindly "Dont do it cause its bad DOT".

Definitely liked some theory crafting, though not the bad kind of it, the talk about medivacs coming out from fow.

Really liked not talking about bronze leagues or something but also talking about higher levls of play, not talking 30 minutes about one points, not getting me bored to death - thats a plus.

Did i learned something ? Yes, i knew about these things, hotkeys, getting all things together to get a better control of your play but didnt knew how to put them into my game. Video gave practical information about how to actually do it in game. Thats best, videos of people doing thing and explaining are always better than reading about it.

What i didnt liked was the hosting site or whatever it is. It's so slow, it stutters and its hard to navigate.
...has arrived.
thesideshow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 18:42:27
November 04 2011 18:35 GMT
#155
On Nov 3 2011 22:52 Ghostface_Killa wrote:
For both tactical and ergonomic reasons, I modified my hotkeys so they're all on the left-hand side of the keyboard, and it now feels more like playing a piano rather than typing on a computer with one hand. My APM also tripled as a result from being able to move my hands less and therefore more efficiently. But don't take my word for it - Tastosis have revently mentioned several times how they've been radically modifying their own hotkeys, even after 13 yrs of using BW's standard set-up.


Tripling your APM sounds like a huge exaggeration. Either you had horrendously low APM with the standard keys or you have ridiculously high APM now.

On Nov 4 2011 03:26 HellGreen wrote:
Thanks for your reply. I got some comments.

Ad 1) Please explain why mouse-hovering is better than just glancing with your eyes? At least turn the option on for starters, then turn it off later for practice or make a quiz with a buddy or something. It's really useful for those things you seldom get (ie. Raven upgrades and the like).
.


Forces you to commit it to memory.

Hope I'm not overstepping my bounds Skew, just trying to help
OGS:levelchange
dire
Profile Joined November 2009
Mexico9 Posts
November 04 2011 20:55 GMT
#156
How often do you update your strats/bo/guides? I've seen many other sites even reviewed a few and they didn't really keep up with the updates on the game and strategies.

What about you guys.
Moo~
stalpno
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia9 Posts
November 04 2011 21:16 GMT
#157
pretty awesome 4 gate build, well presented and good advice, thank you =D
maturity is the greatest strength
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
November 04 2011 21:31 GMT
#158
whoa thx!
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
November 04 2011 23:46 GMT
#159
@thesideshow
lol TY.

@dire
It hasn't been long enough that we need to replace most of the older stuff yet but yes it will be when it needs to be. Otherwise we post new content as much as we can.
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
November 05 2011 00:07 GMT
#160
Started watching the zerg practice one. Heard the guy talking was a vVv player. Laughed, then felt sad. Stopped watching the zerg practice one. Launched SC2 to practice on my own.
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