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Fellow Nerds,
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United States4796 Posts
I don't play to get better, but this is pretty sexy. Fuck yeah Skew.
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This sounds like a great idea! Best of luck 
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Awesome! I mean I'm grandmaster caliber already, but I guess I can always get better ^^
Anything for ESPORTS
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This is such a good idea, coaching was super over priced. It could be though because they were the only ones in the market for this sort of thing, now that you guys are doing this they will have to lower their prices. Expect some good business from the community!
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Ooh, hotkeyit, I remember them :3 Awesome stuff!
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I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!
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Nice! May partake in the full package here :D
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Good luck with your business idea.
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Hotkeyit.com has sponsored Stim.TV for quite a while, doing great things for esports and the lower leagues, giving out subscriptions to the winners of our bronze/silver and gold/plat tourneys when we ran them for 9 months. Can't say enough good things about these guys or their awesome contribution to the SC2 community and awesome business idea :D
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On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!
A couple of hours with idra would not help more because newbies have to learn basics...
It's a waste of money unless you are already very good.
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just do it the normal way of playing, learning from mistakes, moving on? you can't practice mechanics and micro via watching some random video.
gl with it ~
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I might look like I'm bias because I work at hotkeyit but I don't like when people say that watching those videos is not worth it. Few streamers actually commentate their game or analyse their replays at all on stream while giving their thoughts behind a build. Hotkeyit does that. Think about a stream where one player tells you about a build, except on hotkeyit, we go in length and give every little detail so it's even better.
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On October 13 2011 09:02 Mortise wrote:
This is such a good idea, coaching was super over priced. It could be though because they were the only ones in the market for this sort of thing, now that you guys are doing this they will have to lower their prices. Expect some good business from the community!
I doubt it.
Many of these coaches go out of their way to help others teach, which will lower their own practice time. It's purely optional ^^
I might look like I'm bias because I work at hotkeyit but I don't like when people say that watching those videos is not worth it. Few streamers actually commentate their game or analyse their replays at all on stream while giving their thoughts behind a build. Hotkeyit does that. Think about a stream where one player tells you about a build, except on hotkeyit, we go in length and give every little detail so it's even better.
I dare to disagree. While having a resource like this could be extremely beneficial to many players, a lot of players including myself are hitting a point where the problems in our gameplay are not just simply solved by watching a video. I am aware of the reasoning behind certain decisions, but I am unable to properly execute them at times. This is where a professional coach comes in. He can review and tailor the way to improve for the specific person.
Myself I tend to coach lower levels when they start out Zerg. My approach is to have personal contact and talk to them to get a good understanding of the essential basics to play the race upto a point where they can begin to think about branching away from the core essentials of a race. I notice that the approach I use in this case works well as most of my students see an improvement in their play overall.
I've got a lot of idea's for video's and coaching methods, but I feel that video's don't cut it perfectly as you'd like to. This is why I feel that having such a boatload of video's isn't worth it by definition.
Do note, I have to thoroughly look through the complete offer of functionality that HotKeyIt offers, but seeing the rough lines I am missing a few things. Alas, I am working on a project myself so I can't share them quite yet.
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I watched the optimal hotkey usage video by Skew and quite enjoyed it. It goes into great deal about hotkey setup which is undoubtedly the biggest problem for lower level players who box and click instead of using hotkeys. Skew did a great job of going into the thought process and reasoning behind all of his explanations which is a big problem with training videos nowadays. Often we hear players saying "macro better, use more control groups" but that doesn't explain anything and can often lead to players utilizing and getting used to inefficient hotkey setups which only hurts in the long run. The explanations given will help newer players out a great deal and give them a solid direction for practicing, which is very important for new players looking to improve.
The one thing I wish Skew had gone into was customizing control group hotkeys. He mentions that he is against customizing individual structure and unit hotkeys but I strongly believe in a custom control group setup which is not mentioned. Many players like to change their 7-0 control group hotkeys to other keys, such as ` or Q since 7-0 are far away from their normal keyboard reach.
Overall I found the video very enjoyable. Skew comes off as more of a kind and helpful teacher than a pro looking down on players who don't know the basics. I checked out the site and it looks very well done and I think that the strongly interactive forums where you can get sound advice from the coaches themselves without paying $50 for a lesson is probably the best feature. I'm linking this thread to a few of my gold league friends as I post this ^^ GL on the site! I hope HotKeyIt grows and prospers!
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On October 13 2011 11:34 pcL.Nomad wrote:
I watched the optimal hotkey usage video by Skew and quite enjoyed it. It goes into great deal about hotkey setup which is undoubtedly the biggest problem for lower level players who box and click instead of using hotkeys. Skew did a great job of going into the thought process and reasoning behind all of his explanations which is a big problem with training videos nowadays. Often we hear players saying "macro better, use more control groups" but that doesn't explain anything and can often lead to players utilizing and getting used to inefficient hotkey setups which only hurts in the long run. The explanations given will help newer players out a great deal and give them a solid direction for practicing, which is very important for new players looking to improve.
The one thing I wish Skew had gone into was customizing control group hotkeys. He mentions that he is against customizing individual structure and unit hotkeys but I strongly believe in a custom control group setup which is not mentioned. Many players like to change their 7-0 control group hotkeys to other keys, such as ` or Q since 7-0 are far away from their normal keyboard reach.
Overall I found the video very enjoyable. Skew comes off as more of a kind and helpful teacher than a pro looking down on players who don't know the basics. I checked out the site and it looks very well done and I think that the strongly interactive forums where you can get sound advice from the coaches themselves without paying $50 for a lesson is probably the best feature. I'm linking this thread to a few of my gold league friends as I post this ^^ GL on the site! I hope HotKeyIt grows and prospers!
Thank you for the kind words. Really doing our best over here.
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On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!
A couple of hours with idra huh? How many hours are you thinking? 2 hours for $600 or 3 hours for 900?
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!
This is just the wrong. For players looking to learn, coaching ability, not tournament results, is the #1 thing they should be looking for. Almost any pro meets the minimum requirement for skill, all that matters is how hard they try and how good they are at coaching.
Like piano or violin or art or guitar lessons, StarCraft is taught by people who are better than you at it. You don't have to be Yo Yo Ma to teach cello, just like you don't have to be Idra to teach Zerg. It's rare you get to learn from the top 1% at anything, let alone at the prices most good SC2 coaches charge.
On October 13 2011 10:37 Mikey wrote:
just do it the normal way of playing, learning from mistakes, moving on? you can't practice mechanics and micro via watching some random video.
gl with it ~
Again, why do people take lessons for anything? Why not just figure it out yourself by playing more piano painting more pictures? Obviously, there's a reason why sometimes, paying for teaching is better than simply doing it. I think that's a choice everyone can make for themselves, they don't need the hordes of people going into coaching threads telling them to just ladder more.
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Wow watched your videos and they are really good, learned about the aerial view thing which I never known about. Keep up good job we need more of these.
On October 13 2011 10:37 Mikey wrote:
just do it the normal way of playing, learning from mistakes, moving on? you can't practice mechanics and micro via watching some random video.
gl with it ~
Because if you aren't learning anything by yourself its best needed for someone to guide/coach you a little bit, that way all your time investing into the game is not wasted.
Quality of time spent is greater then quantity of time spent doing the wrong thing.
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Desrow haz de best vids.
Ley Go!!!!
Free sub me plzez
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Why do people insist on bashing other peoples' projects just because they choose not to use it?
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United States411 Posts
I would honestly like to see a few hours of that 1 on 1 coaching including (like reedem them per month) available.
Ill check out the videos later when i can listen to the audio.
Is there a section on unit control without hotkeys? Like box precision and navigating with F keys?
I can even imagine sections for building placement to stop things like hellion/ling runbys and making pockets with FF with each building, that be neat.
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Im looking to make it into masters after been stuck in diamond for the 2nd season now.
I want to say i do like the idea of learning by video / getting a better understanding of the game.
Do you guys think you can offer help to diamond/ low master players?
When i look tru the video's on the site i see that for Terran ( i play T) you guys upload about 3 video's a month, are you planning to increase this number ? Most of the video's already on there are for more lower level players, also BO video's of 6 month old are not the most helpfull either since they are getting figgurd out, or a patch changed something.
The hotkey video from skew is really helpfull but again for the more newer players.
So im wondering you guys think you can offer me the info/ insight that is needed to make it into masters ?
Sorry for my sloppy english
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On October 13 2011 12:21 Hot_Bid wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
This is just the wrong. For players looking to learn, coaching ability, not tournament results, is the #1 thing they should be looking for. Almost any pro meets the minimum requirement for skill, all that matters is how hard they try and how good they are at coaching.
Like piano or violin or art or guitar lessons, StarCraft is taught by people who are better than you at it. You don't have to be Yo Yo Ma to teach cello, just like you don't have to be Idra to teach Zerg. It's rare you get to learn from the top 1% at anything, let alone at the prices most good SC2 coaches charge.
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Again, why do people take lessons for anything? Why not just figure it out yourself by playing more piano painting more pictures? Obviously, there's a reason why sometimes, paying for teaching is better than simply doing it. I think that's a choice everyone can make for themselves, they don't need the hordes of people going into coaching threads telling them to just ladder more
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HB spittin' truth!
GL with everything. I had a look at your website and it looks pretty good! (edit: some stuff is a bit off in alignment/size in Firefox with Windows 7 custom text size set to 125% - a significant number of websites that I visit have this issue [TL does not though, for example])
P.S. Interesting logo, taking inspiration from Amazon I see.. from Bronze to GM!
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Just watched the video with Titan, good stuff.
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This seems really awesome.
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On October 13 2011 13:44 DirtyJack wrote:
Im looking to make it into masters after been stuck in diamond for the 2nd season now.
I want to say i do like the idea of learning by video / getting a better understanding of the game.
Do you guys think you can offer help to diamond/ low master players?
When i look tru the video's on the site i see that for Terran ( i play T) you guys upload about 3 video's a month, are you planning to increase this number ? Most of the video's already on there are for more lower level players, also BO video's of 6 month old are not the most helpfull either since they are getting figgurd out, or a patch changed something.
The hotkey video from skew is really helpfull but again for the more newer players.
So im wondering you guys think you can offer me the info/ insight that is needed to make it into masters ?
Sorry for my sloppy english
This. I would also like to know if the content is suited for diamond/masters players as well.
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Awesome post skew! Super excited to join you guys at Hotkeyit
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Hey i took a look at the 4 gate video by xSix Classic, and it was pretty useful i would say. I think that PvP is a match up that at a lower level can be difficult for you to win if you don't know the fundamnetals of the match up: ie. viable builds; you can't just make anything and win if your opponent knows how to do something like a 4 gate or a 3 gate robo etc. . I liked that he walked us through the 4 gate that he does, and also shows us any mechanics that he finds useful in relation to the match up.
There is something that i am critical about though:
-The video feels a bit rushed. Classic made a couple of important mistakes; for example when walking us through the transition from the 4 gate to a zealot Archon/DT build he said 'make a cybernetics core' when i assume he meant twilight council. It may have been more smooth if it had been edited to show build orders on the screen or something that allows easy access to learning the build, rather than having to listen to certain parts of the video to know when to place what building where.
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On October 13 2011 13:44 DirtyJack wrote:
Im looking to make it into masters after been stuck in diamond for the 2nd season now.
I want to say i do like the idea of learning by video / getting a better understanding of the game.
Do you guys think you can offer help to diamond/ low master players?
When i look tru the video's on the site i see that for Terran ( i play T) you guys upload about 3 video's a month, are you planning to increase this number ? Most of the video's already on there are for more lower level players, also BO video's of 6 month old are not the most helpfull either since they are getting figgurd out, or a patch changed something.
The hotkey video from skew is really helpfull but again for the more newer players.
So im wondering you guys think you can offer me the info/ insight that is needed to make it into masters ?
We don't only offer the videos to subscribers, we also take care of them on the forum with any questions they have, including analyzing their replays (and sometimes turning those into videos called 'leak finders [a term coined in the poker world]). If you make full use of the site then I'd say yes, you could definitely find help as a diamond/low master player. If you have the time/money, I'd suggest buying an hour of coaching from a player you enjoy watching and then buy a month on our site and compare the two. I'd love to see your thoughts afterwards.
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I am that kind of person that never buys anything on the internet, but this might be 1 of those few things i decide to get.
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I just thought of a cool analogy when I woke up.
Streamers are like cool hippie high school teacher, yes okay they are cool and if they explain something 1/3 of the class who's advanced on the subject will understand WHILE
Hotkeyit are like nerdy but classsy high school teacher, we are badass and we make sure EVERYONE understands the build =D
waking up = awesome
seeya
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On October 13 2011 12:21 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless! This is just the wrong. For players looking to learn, coaching ability, not tournament results, is the #1 thing they should be looking for. Almost any pro meets the minimum requirement for skill, all that matters is how hard they try and how good they are at coaching. Like piano or violin or art or guitar lessons, StarCraft is taught by people who are better than you at it. You don't have to be Yo Yo Ma to teach cello, just like you don't have to be Idra to teach Zerg. It's rare you get to learn from the top 1% at anything, let alone at the prices most good SC2 coaches charge. Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 10:37 Mikey wrote:
just do it the normal way of playing, learning from mistakes, moving on? you can't practice mechanics and micro via watching some random video.
gl with it ~ Again, why do people take lessons for anything? Why not just figure it out yourself by playing more piano painting more pictures? Obviously, there's a reason why sometimes, paying for teaching is better than simply doing it. I think that's a choice everyone can make for themselves, they don't need the hordes of people going into coaching threads telling them to just ladder more.
Yea but what guarantee is there that these guys are good teachers? There is no degree in Starcraft education. I don't want to be the negative Nancy but why should anyone pay 30$/month (which is expensive for a college student like me) when I can watch unlimited hours of free streams of Players like idra, tlo, dragon, etc... And honestly there are streamers who commentate alot during casts, you just have to look for them. For example, nahmcir. Also, alot of the time you Pay for lessons it is to get advice on mechanical skills, a video just isn't the same.
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On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!
You got a point, but last time I checked IdrA charged 300$/hour, so it's maybe better, but still...
+ Show Spoiler +HOLY SHIT THATS ALOT OF MOTHERFUCKING MONEY FOR AN HOUR OF COACHING
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Why is the price so high? I would say this is a great idea and could be great, but I know I personally couldn't spend 27/month for this. I think it'd be much more attractive with a more friendly price. the 20% with longer deals doesn't change my mind on this.
GL guys I hope this is successful!
<3 titan
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price is too high indeed. I mean i just checked Protoss video section and you get like 3-4 videos per month. Not an enough amount imo to get a subscription
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I actually watched the PVP vod and it actually helped me a lot as far as build order etc.
Looking forward to learning more from you guys.
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looks like same idea as a lot of the poker video sites. should get more popular if it lives long enough to have a large library of videos and amps up video output/content over time. introductory pricing/free trials would be a nice way to let people give it a test drive as the monthly cost is very high compared to the poker scheme which actually helps people make more money. bad ecomony + relatively young playerbase makes me think the pricing will come down. i guess they can keep the prices higher to cater to a smaller/more serious market....or lower the prices to appeal to the masses and become more of a brand name. kind of hard to compete with a lot of great players streaming for free which earns them more money from ads and the viewer pays nothing.
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On October 13 2011 23:38 monx wrote:
price is too high indeed. I mean i just checked Protoss video section and you get like 3-4 videos per month. Not an enough amount imo to get a subscription
I'm pretty sure you get access to a lot more than that many. There's also more and more videos to come.
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I think this is a good alternative to individual coaching, which is ridiculously expensive, and may be a lot more productive in most cases. Players definitely need something more than streams and ladder, if they want to improve quickly.
I think coaching and playing are different skills.
Besides, imagine a coaching session with idra:
Idra: Thanks for the $300 dollars.
You: Sure, I'm really excited to be here. So, what did you think of the replay I sent you.
Idra: Basically, I think you're the worst player I've ever seen. Just terrible. I mean really, really bad.
You: What should I do to get better?
Idra: Get better? You're terrible. Everything you do is bad. Your macro is bad, your micro is bad. Everything. The only chance you have to win is if your opponent disconnects. Your best bet is to just put up extractors everywhere and hope for a disconnect.
You: I wouldn't do that.
Idra: I wouldn't either, but then I'm not as terrible as you.
You: But I want to improve!
Idra: Improve? You can't improve, you are awful. You've lost already. Just quit, leave the game. In fact, I can feel myself getting worse just by talking to you.
>> Idra disconnects
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On October 14 2011 01:15 CrushDog5 wrote:
I think this is a good alternative to individual coaching, which is ridiculously expensive, and may be a lot more productive in most cases. Players definitely need something more than streams and ladder, if they want to improve quickly.
I think coaching and playing are different skills.
Besides, imagine a coaching session with idra:
Idra: Thanks for the $300 dollars.
You: Sure, I'm really excited to be here. So, what did you think of the replay I sent you.
Idra: Basically, I think you're the worst player I've ever seen. Just terrible. I mean really, really bad.
You: What should I do to get better?
Idra: Get better? You're terrible. Everything you do is bad. Your macro is bad, your micro is bad. Everything. The only chance you have to win is if your opponent disconnects. Your best bet is to just put up extractors everywhere and hope for a disconnect.
You: I wouldn't do that.
Idra: I wouldn't either, but then I'm not as terrible as you.
You: But I want to improve!
Idra: Improve? You can't improve, you are awful. You've lost already. Just quit, leave the game. In fact, I can feel myself getting worse just by talking to you.
>> Idra disconnects
I sincerely hope you're not that ignorant.
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Nice to see so many people who are willing to teach other players!!!! I think it's a great a idea and it's going to be a succes, because it's not so expensive as coaching and you can spend as many time as you want on the site. Keep it up!
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I'm just wondering why you suggested to click your main command, shift+click your natural command and then control-5 to rebind the control group instead of just shift+5'ing your natural?
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On October 13 2011 10:13 Mczeppo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless! A couple of hours with idra would not help more because newbies have to learn basics... It's a waste of money unless you are already very good.
For the price of 2hrs with Idra you could probably subscribe to this for 5 years...lol
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desRow sent me- looks awesome!
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This site reminds me a lot of the Skill-Capped website for WoW players. I was wondering how long it would be before a site like with instructional videos would surface for SC2.. Its nice to see one out finally.
I agree 100% with what Hot_Bid said regarding coaching. Coaching ability, along with the ability to convey knowledge in a constructive manner definitely > player caliber and tournament results when it comes to something like this. You could pay $1000's of dollars to get coaching from a player like IdrA, but if they can't effectively portray scenario's for you to follow, or if they lack that sort of "teaching" ability, then there is no point. What matters is that these guys are all Grandmaster level players, so you know that they are equipped with the per-requisite knowledge required to inform lower-level players. What matters from there is the teaching ability.
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Just watched the hotkey-video you made. Its really helpful, especially using the area hotkeys (something I have done in bw, but never started again in sc2, for whatever reasons).
I really hope I didn´t miss it if it was in the video, but I think you should mention the possibility of grid layout. Especially if you start and don´t use many hotkeys at all, you don´t have to mouseover to get the hotkey, its pretty easy to memorize, and, another important factor, it is the same system for all 3 races if the player plays random or switches races every so often. A lot of players coming from broodwar just don´t like it because 1a2a3a turns to 1t2t3t, but you get used to it pretty fast
(Its also a standard layout, I´m pretty sure you are allowed to change to that whereever you are).
Will definitely have a look at the other videos, the concept looks great, and so does your lineup.
Good luck with everything
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Cool to see another website bringing more business opportunities in to SC2 and forcing all of the coaches to step up their coaching game.
Good luck HotKeyIt !
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I gotta work on my micro >.<
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I would like to see this in SC:BW soon as well. However, Nony made some very informative SC1 youtube fpvods much like this that not only had 0 mistakes(I noticed a few in your vods, believe it or not the templar archives looks completely different from the cybernetics core :p) but went through the builds very in depth and even provided some nice humor all rapped up in a pro's close to flawless game of star craft. Considering that was for free and that there were some nice fpvods from TL Staff I think you have a lot to live up to. Especcially since new people to Star Craft but experienced in other games/life/etc. Will look at the two and immediately go:
"low price.... pretty much the same game... free guides and teaching videos or such a high price I can buy 10 copies of the other game and still not make the price of all 3 SC2 Campaigns, almost all teaching is for a price... some pro teaching is for hundreds of $... the only cheap one isn't even as high quality and still charges money... SC:BW it is."
Just my 2 minerals.
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is it just me who finds DDE working for a site called hotkeyit funny?
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On October 14 2011 09:31 turdburgler wrote:
is it just me who finds DDE working for a site called hotkeyit funny?
It is amusing even to us.
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Hmm...
i just checked out the video, and I must admit that I was really impressed with how the site is run and the overall professionalism of it.
Good luck with the site!
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Personally, I didn't find the video with Skew very helpful. I mean, he went over the basics of hotkeys, which is obviously a good thing to do, but then immediately went into why you shouldn't mess with the default hotkeys, and then into using hotkeys for going to different points on the map (the F1-F8 stuff). If I'm a new player to the game, I don't care about that at all, and I certainly don't care about events where I can't use my customized hotkeys. I think that if the video is going to be focused around hotkeys, it should be taken one step at a time, first with the basics (like building things using hotkeys) then going into control groups 1-0, (which would be the bulk of the video) and then, near the end, very briefly touching on the location hotkeys, and leaving the "you might not be able to use custom hotkeys for events" out of it altogether. That just seems like a better structure to me.
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ive been looking for stuff like this for a while. ive heard about hotkeyit along time ago. the only issue i have is the price to learning ratio... thats where ive always been uncertain whether its worth it for me. I actually enjoyed the quality and the way they set up for stuff in the free videos and would recommend those to lower level players. but like i said ive always been totally lost on whether its worth it for me personally. as there is only like 3 pages of protoss videos listed on the site and most of them are simple build order titles.
In other words i would love to try and see if there is solid knowledge for a player of my level, so i would stop losing so much =/
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On October 14 2011 10:10 KiF1rE wrote:
ive been looking for stuff like this for a while. ive heard about hotkeyit along time ago. the only issue i have is the price to learning ratio... thats where ive always been uncertain whether its worth it for me. I actually enjoyed the quality and the way they set up for stuff in the free videos and would recommend those to lower level players. but like i said ive always been totally lost on whether its worth it for me personally. as there is only like 3 pages of protoss videos listed on the site and most of them are simple build order titles.
In other words i would love to try and see if there is solid knowledge for a player of my level, so i would stop losing so much =/
despite what the aim of the site is, by the way the blizzard ladder is design, you will never stop losing so much :D
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On October 14 2011 02:58 Ripebananaa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 01:15 CrushDog5 wrote:
I think this is a good alternative to individual coaching, which is ridiculously expensive, and may be a lot more productive in most cases. Players definitely need something more than streams and ladder, if they want to improve quickly.
I think coaching and playing are different skills.
Besides, imagine a coaching session with idra:
Idra: Thanks for the $300 dollars.
You: Sure, I'm really excited to be here. So, what did you think of the replay I sent you.
Idra: Basically, I think you're the worst player I've ever seen. Just terrible. I mean really, really bad.
You: What should I do to get better?
Idra: Get better? You're terrible. Everything you do is bad. Your macro is bad, your micro is bad. Everything. The only chance you have to win is if your opponent disconnects. Your best bet is to just put up extractors everywhere and hope for a disconnect.
You: I wouldn't do that.
Idra: I wouldn't either, but then I'm not as terrible as you.
You: But I want to improve!
Idra: Improve? You can't improve, you are awful. You've lost already. Just quit, leave the game. In fact, I can feel myself getting worse just by talking to you.
>> Idra disconnects
I sincerely hope you're not that ignorant.
It's idra
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On October 14 2011 10:20 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 10:10 KiF1rE wrote:
ive been looking for stuff like this for a while. ive heard about hotkeyit along time ago. the only issue i have is the price to learning ratio... thats where ive always been uncertain whether its worth it for me. I actually enjoyed the quality and the way they set up for stuff in the free videos and would recommend those to lower level players. but like i said ive always been totally lost on whether its worth it for me personally. as there is only like 3 pages of protoss videos listed on the site and most of them are simple build order titles.
In other words i would love to try and see if there is solid knowledge for a player of my level, so i would stop losing so much =/ despite what the aim of the site is, by the way the blizzard ladder is design, you will never stop losing so much :D
true but still, how about rewording it to. losing in frustrating ways... lol. btw i realized i forgot to mention im high master, and constantly play GM's... =P
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On October 14 2011 09:32 SuitGuy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 09:31 turdburgler wrote:
is it just me who finds DDE working for a site called hotkeyit funny? It is amusing even to us.
? i hotkey stuff
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On October 14 2011 02:58 Ripebananaa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 01:15 CrushDog5 wrote:
I think this is a good alternative to individual coaching, which is ridiculously expensive, and may be a lot more productive in most cases. Players definitely need something more than streams and ladder, if they want to improve quickly.
I think coaching and playing are different skills.
Besides, imagine a coaching session with idra:
Idra: Thanks for the $300 dollars.
You: Sure, I'm really excited to be here. So, what did you think of the replay I sent you.
Idra: Basically, I think you're the worst player I've ever seen. Just terrible. I mean really, really bad.
You: What should I do to get better?
Idra: Get better? You're terrible. Everything you do is bad. Your macro is bad, your micro is bad. Everything. The only chance you have to win is if your opponent disconnects. Your best bet is to just put up extractors everywhere and hope for a disconnect.
You: I wouldn't do that.
Idra: I wouldn't either, but then I'm not as terrible as you.
You: But I want to improve!
Idra: Improve? You can't improve, you are awful. You've lost already. Just quit, leave the game. In fact, I can feel myself getting worse just by talking to you.
>> Idra disconnects
I sincerely hope you're not that ignorant.
Yeah, totally just a joke.
It just reminded me of that idra quotes video, which is like 5 minutes of idra saying pretty much exactly that kind of stuff.
No offense intended, really.
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hmm why spend money,.. watch Day9 daily?? -_- good videos you have, but as long as awsome guys like day make great tutorial-Videos for free,.. no chance I think! just my 2 cents
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Hi, one friendly question. What is it that makes your videos standout from other videos like say, Day9's analysis videos?
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On October 14 2011 23:29 brachester wrote:
Hi, one friendly question. What is it that makes your videos standout from other videos like say, Day9's analysis videos?
Day is the king of SC2 video content. I wouldn't know where to start in trying to compare what we're doing to him. And if anyone hasn't seen his popular videos, at the very least, they're doing themselves a huge disservice.
Excluding him though, there's just nothing out there even close to the quality and attention to detail we bring in the educational video category in every single way. And keep in mind that part of the package is servicing our subscribers via our forums, which for some people is the primary reason for becoming a member.
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$23 a month is very big for something which you could practice on your own or alternatively research from other alternative free options like the Day[9] Daily series or even Liquipedia as far as a database of game knowledge goes.
Having said this though, your series of videos based on what I've seen are of a very good quality, and the $23 a month investment is sure to gain more value over time as more videos or website features are probably released down the line.
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I watched the PvP 4 gate special with x6Classic and I did indeed learn some great hints to improve my play PvP.
Some feedback for you guys: Obviously, Classic knows his stuff i.e. scouting, timings, what to look for, how to respond etc but he needs some work laying out his presentation. He has a voice that is easy to listen to but without a script or at least notes while talking, he fumbles a bit when giving his commentary. If he has some notes written down in advance or possibly a script with at least some bullet points, the video will be that much better and quite a bit smoother.
Keep it up! You'll make better players out of all of us.
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On October 14 2011 00:52 CecilSunkure wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 23:38 monx wrote:
price is too high indeed. I mean i just checked Protoss video section and you get like 3-4 videos per month. Not an enough amount imo to get a subscription I'm pretty sure you get access to a lot more than that many. There's also more and more videos to come.
are you sure about that...too bad there isn't a special price for the first month.
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On October 15 2011 01:46 monx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 00:52 CecilSunkure wrote:On October 13 2011 23:38 monx wrote:
price is too high indeed. I mean i just checked Protoss video section and you get like 3-4 videos per month. Not an enough amount imo to get a subscription I'm pretty sure you get access to a lot more than that many. There's also more and more videos to come. are you sure about that...too bad there isn't a special price for the first month.
You can see all of the videos available here: http://hotkeyit.com/videos/ and as Cecil said, new videos are added each month. We focus on quality over quantity, and are always looking for new players who can create new, better content.
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Hey! I really like the idea of the website it's a great take on coaching for people who don't have time to sit down for a few hours with a coach necessarily. I watched the how to practice as zerg video and the hotkey video and I found them to be helpful but not necessarily worth buying. The benefit that lower level players get from this website i greater than higher level players (in my humble opinion) and i think you could actually attract a much greater market value if you made say a weekly or monthly video about "the current metagame" in each matchup, where a coach walks through his current game plan and unit compositions.
I'm making this suggestion because I feel as if (and I'm sure many other people share this feeling) my mechanics are strong and what's really holding me back is just knowing what to scout for, which compositions work very well, what openers are recommended etc. Alot of players will be attracted by this IMO because you're offering somethingt hey can apply immediately, they can watch the video and instantly start changing their gameplay in a way that really shows. The current videos ARE extremely useful for improving at the game, though they aren't enough to get me to pay for it honestly. If there was a Mr.Bitter style walking through each matchup that interested me (say any zerg matchup) then I'd consider shelling 27$ for a month .
Anyway I feel i've been very critical this is a great idea and best of luck to you! (Cross my fingers for the free subscription lol I can't afford to pay that much for coaching D=)
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Make sure you add in all the newbie tuesday's haha, thats how we used to do it!
But really, Its a good idea. The coaches are all more than qualified to give beginner/intermediate players proper advice, and plenty of it. I hope you guys do well.
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you guys should make an account on their forums... there is a section where you post your replay and a pro coach will analyse it for free! I did it before when there wasn't alot of members there so I took advantage. More people join, less free analysing so do it while you still have the chance!
I posted a ZvP replay and Vile.hawk told me what I did wrong and posted a replay of his own game of the similar situation and how he handled it. very good site.
and $27 a month... isn't much. if you want to improve faster than just laddering then this is for you. Just try it for a month and see how much content u get. You won't be able to watch and learn them all because there's just so many. really worth it.
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Huge feedback post incoming, waiting on youtube upload. Hopefully you will enjoy it and maybe even make a billion dollars
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Awesome feedback from Tedster, and as an Web-integrator ( web coder ) i have to admit he is right in alot of he's aspects when it comes down to the design of your homepage.
one of the biggest problems of your design is, as tedster already said. you red background on the sign up page. just.. gaaah. Take away my money and give me some crap ( is what you are saying to alot of ppl) and beside that. as he also mentioned, you need to show the free vids. and make some better samples. and beside that. you are kinda making the whole front page abit to "fake" . with all the. THIS IS THE BEST SITE EVER, BETTER THAN COACHING BETTER THAN EVERYTHING stuff.. escpecially when you are having the red sign up aswell..
but overall its a great idea you got , and i really like it.
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That was unexpected. Really cool. Thank you.
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On October 15 2011 23:50 sixjaxMajor wrote:
skew is the best
Major go practice, i want you to see you pwning nerds with TSL
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found out about these guys through the stim.tv weekly tournaments. great resource site for beginners like myself when feeling lost in a certain match up!
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Are any of those videos on this patch? all the dates look old accept for like 3-4 videos?
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Wow you definitely seem to know what you're talking about! Really nice of you to lend some expertise and help what I consider a great idea/website get up and running. I will certainly be signing up in the very near future!
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Hm good luck guys.
+ Show Spoiler +But I don't really see a market for this next to Day[9] and before Hots. : / sry
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On October 13 2011 09:02 Mortise wrote:
This is such a good idea, coaching was super over priced. It could be though because they were the only ones in the market for this sort of thing, now that you guys are doing this they will have to lower their prices. Expect some good business from the community!
I'm sure any pro player could show you how to setup hotkeys and such in a way that doesn't suck. Maybe not TLO, but anyone else with a good BW/SC2 background could do it. You don't need to be Idra to teach noobs the basics.
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What's the cost?
Premium membership, which includes all videos and VIP support via forums, costs $27 for one month.
nooooope
User was warned for this post
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On October 16 2011 17:23 ambra wrote:Show nested quote +What's the cost?
Premium membership, which includes all videos and VIP support via forums, costs $27 for one month. nooooope
wow, nice attitude you have there mate
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Very cool idea will defiantly be checking out the site but 27 bucks seems a bit high.
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On October 16 2011 22:19 ChefTony wrote:
Very cool idea will defiantly be checking out the site but 27 bucks seems a bit high.
Not high at all. Imagine getting an hour of coaching for 20-30 dollars. With a month subscription you get hours and hours of video content along with forum interaction with the players who make the content!
27 all in one go might sound expensive, but for what you get, it's extremely cost-efficient.
I'm also finally up and on the site! My debut video should be available in a couple days!
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Sounds awesome! Will definitely consider this!
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Saw this on TL, went to the website got the sub.
Well what can I say, I cannot watch a single video for some reason. Maybe because I am on a Mac...
Going to see what they tell me.
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On October 17 2011 13:11 TorontoRaccoon wrote:
Saw this on TL, went to the website got the sub.
Well what can I say, I cannot watch a single video for some reason. Maybe because I am on a Mac...
Going to see what they tell me.
We see your thread. We are working on figuring out why. I'll PM you a skype contact so we can work it out as fast as possible.
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Well that was fast... uber fast..
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So im an average player, Plat/ Diamond ranked.
How would this site help me more than watching day9, streams, vods and replays?
How many videos do you upload per month?
Any other features for us shelling out £20 a month?
Thanks
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I wish you luck, but I will stick with Trump and Day9. I paid 60$ to Shokz guide, just when SC2 came out. The guy updated the site quite regularly in the beginning...and once he had enough cash he just stopped.
But its true apart of trump (and I also liked Strelok's) not many people comment on their play. So this channel might a worthwhile investment for some of us.
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On October 17 2011 09:37 Jathin wrote:
I watched Titan's tips on how to practice Zerg and have a little feedback: I would recommend giving a specific build order and going through each component step by step before actually doing it. When you explain what you're doing as you do it, the information is presented in-the-moment and thus the viewer is not primed to digest the material. For newbies, it is much preferred to give a step-by-step in advance and point out significant landmarks in the build. For example in your roach-max-by-10:30 build, you could state exactly when you put drones back on gas, when you upgrade to lair, and when you lay down your first tumor. Of course a lot of this changes according to the flow of the game, but an "ideal" to strive towards is still helpful for newer players.
Otherwise, you guys are doing great. Keep up the good work!
The whole point of the video isn't to give you the answers on when to do everything. Overall, the theme was centered around perfecting mechanics and nothing more. Your job as a player is to find a build that works for You. The one displayed in the video includes +1/Ling speed/Roach speed/Lair. However, you can find different timings than I have in order to speed yourself up.
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Hey Titan,
I watched your vid and it helped me out a ton. I'm a high Diamond player and I've heard of the idea of spending your larva and queen injects but I never seen it demonstrated that well and it made sense. I haven't been able to max out at 10:30 but around 12 minutes. Its helped me out enough on the ladder (went like 10 in a row last night). Also made some Protoss call zerg a joke race when I had a 200/200 army and he was at 130. Thanks for making the vid. What other vids do you do on the site that isn't free? (want to know if I should purchase)
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awesome product, awesome service!!
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Were not for Sean Plott, then this would be really popular and well used. I like it, but I don't completely understand what makes it worth $27 for a month.
GL, I hope that you get enough subscribers to make ends meet. It is a really valuable service, but I do foresee that you may have problems getting popularity for it.
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On October 18 2011 09:02 Conquerer67 wrote:
Were not for Sean Plott, then this would be really popular and well used. I like it, but I don't completely understand what makes it worth $27 for a month.
GL, I hope that you get enough subscribers to make ends meet. It is a really valuable service, but I do foresee that you may have problems getting popularity for it.
If this were true nobody would be selling SC2 lessons, now would they. The VODs on hotkeyit are of a different type than Day9's.
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I wanted to make a site like this myself, but I'm not quite at the level of understanding to really put it all together, and I didn't really know many other good players so I never got around to doing it. Glad to see someone else with the idea and putting it into action though!
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On October 13 2011 08:17 Skew wrote:
What's the cost?
Premium membership, which includes all videos and VIP support via forums, costs $27 for one month. If you'd like to subscribe for longer, we have deals that can save you up to 20%
is it just me or, the deal is $73 / 3months and one month is $27 as 27*3=81 and 20% of 81 is 16,2
so 81-16,2=64,8 and 64,8 != 73 ?
Just saying, I still think it's a great idea and if I could I would subscribe
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On October 19 2011 04:41 Djoze wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 08:17 Skew wrote:
What's the cost?
Premium membership, which includes all videos and VIP support via forums, costs $27 for one month. If you'd like to subscribe for longer, we have deals that can save you up to 20% is it just me or, the deal is $73 / 3months and one month is $27 as 27*3=81 and 20% of 81 is 16,2 so 81-16,2=64,8 and 64,8 != 73 ? Just saying, I still think it's a great idea and if I could I would subscribe
Yea, we should get that fixed. We were (are) going to have a 12 month plan that saves 20% per month. Currently the 3 month plan saves 10% per month
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I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!
Yes definietly you are right ! Who wouldn't like to get inside I-DrA's mind even for a moment. Gather necessary resources to use his most powerfull e-sport weapon "The O' Mighty Ragequit" or not to mention his true fight to the end nature ? ! I have no idea how someone could compare 300 $/h single lesson with a master to a 27 $ package of several hours worth material approached by many top ladder players ! Makes me sick ! Stfu ! Such coaching material would be easily affordable and could raise a bar on amateur level ! Not to mention all of them players GG's at the end, how can you watch such stuff !
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On October 17 2011 20:11 ButterMeUp wrote:
So im an average player, Plat/ Diamond ranked.
How would this site help me more than watching day9, streams, vods and replays?
How many videos do you upload per month?
Any other features for us shelling out £20 a month?
Thanks
The site's aim is to help you understand what you're seeing in those streams, VODs, and replays, as opposed to just being left with a lot of questions. Artosis and Gretorp give a lot of good information but I'm not sure how easy it is to digest for someone who doesn't already fully understand everything. And as far as Day goes, like I said, we're very similar in content to some of his, but we present ours in a different way and we cover different topics from different angles.
I believe we average around 7~10 but as the site grows more coaches and videos will be added.
Most of our coaches participate in the forums and if you take advantage of them you can get a lot of extra help there.
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pretty nice site, I fist visited after watching vive's stream 
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nice now i have a place to send my newb friends instead of day9 or random youtube videos. (not very good choices imho)
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I think this site has a lot of potential and I'd love to subscribe, but I think you guys need a lot more videos or other content to justify the $27/mo price point you're asking for, especially considering that a lot of the videos (at least for Protoss) are using older versions of the game and those build orders may not even work anymore because of different timings.
edit: Just a suggestion... it might help if you guys promise X amount of videos each month per race. That way there's a guarantee of new content... it just seems kind of random right now.
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Cool business idea. I wish you guys the best of luck.
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On October 30 2011 08:38 Truenappa wrote:
Cool business idea. I wish you guys the best of luck.
Thanks for the kind words.
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not gonna lie but $27 is way too much for 1 month.
Make it Netflix money month and i be in it
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On November 03 2011 08:31 RusHXceL wrote:
not gonna lie but $27 is way too much for 1 month.
Make it Netflix money month and i be in it
How so? I charge nearly that an hour
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On November 03 2011 09:51 shinyA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:31 RusHXceL wrote:
not gonna lie but $27 is way too much for 1 month.
Make it Netflix money month and i be in it How so? I charge nearly that an hour
Not everyone has money to spent in their pocket since the economy sucks right now.
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I've been hanging out and giving vVv Tristan some feedback. I like it that they try to catch on it a bit more, and it has definatly a big amount of potential, but the community on hotkeyit needs to grow a bit more! So come visit and join hehehe
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My latest PvZ guide is pretty sick i was impressed with myself check it out <3 !
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very useful videos and guides, I particularly enjoyed listening to titan. He is such a boss!
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I wonder how the date of the post Skew United States. November 03 2011 07:30. Posts 988 can be later than the comments Truenappa United States. October 30 2011 08:38. Posts 445 :D
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On November 03 2011 11:41 brachester wrote:I wonder how the date of the post can be later than the comments :D
Hotkeyit Magic!
We originally posted the thread back in mid October and had it reposted here again today. We wanted to keep the original comments with the thread.
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On November 03 2011 11:02 desRow wrote:
My latest PvZ guide is pretty sick i was impressed with myself check it out <3 !
Humble much? XD. I would wait for community feedback before allowing your head to grow.
Just watched the 30 min "terran basics" - nothing there i didnt know already but i guess it is basics...
great potential though, keep it going! I do think the price is maybe to high for some people ~ taking into account full fledged online games with subscriptions are cheaper. :D
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On November 03 2011 18:05 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:02 desRow wrote:
My latest PvZ guide is pretty sick i was impressed with myself check it out <3 ! Humble much? XD. I would wait for community feedback before allowing your head to grow. Just watched the 30 min "terran basics" - nothing there i didnt know already but i guess it is basics... great potential though, keep it going! I do think the price is maybe to high for some people ~ taking into account full fledged online games with subscriptions are cheaper. :D
son its my 10th guide or something and i have 400 hours of coaching experience MY HEAD IS GROWN nah j/k but i just loved my latest guide its a piece of art if id have unlimited ressources id print screen most of it, print it and frame it sup
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thanks for sharing, dude. Going to check that out tonight
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That stopping 1-1-1 was not very good imho.
- On your first replay you attack around 7 minutes and happen to see a tank thus he must not have enough gas for cloak... yet no robo has been started before hand. So if you are wrong you basically lose your whole mineral line to banshees or all your sentries at the front which later loses you the game.
- There's no production tab open to get a sense of the timings from the terran compared to yours (something a student would want to see)
- The terran is horrible and gets his army cut twice. (good to make a point, bad in practice) He donates health on his banshees for no reason along the way.
I don't know what skill level audience you are catering to but that video required several pauses to explain certain points that could've gone different in a little more detail. Ie. if terran notices you out there he might wait for siege and pushes later but with a stronger force.
Not trying to be a dick, but I honestly felt that if that's your promotional material I would not recommend a purchase to a friend based on what I saw.
edit: After reading my own post i do sound like a dick so I'll add some positive feedback.
- The video quality is really good.
- The coach's voice is clear and easy to understand.
- Several replays are available to look at different timings.
- The timing to determine if its a 1-1-1 is really good.
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Poker Evolved A LOT due to training site videos, i doubt this will happen to same extend with sc2, but its a good initiative.
wish u gl
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About to watch the first video, but first I want to comment on the price. $27.00 a month is a lot of money, and honestly I think that it's so high that it's likely to turn off a lot of players immediately from signing up. Even if the content for the site was superb, $27 is a price that I'm quite sure a lot of players are just not going to pay. You might just be trying to attract the type of people who will pay $27 because the content provided is worth $27 dollars, in which case that's fine, but I think if you're looking to attract a more casual player, you're going to have to lower the price. I'm the type of person who would buy something like this, but even for me the price is too much on principle.
Imagine if there was a website that charged $100 dollars a month, but that website put out a lot of content, enough that the average opinion was that it was worth the $100, I know there's a lot of people that just aren't going to pay $100 a month regardless of how good of content they have. Might want to consider that. Going to watch the first video now.
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On November 03 2011 20:07 Doko wrote:That stopping 1-1-1 was not very good imho. + Show Spoiler +
- On your first replay you attack around 7 minutes and happen to see a tank thus he must not have enough gas for cloak... yet no robo has been started before hand. So if you are wrong you basically lose your whole mineral line to banshees or all your sentries at the front which later loses you the game.
- There's no production tab open to get a sense of the timings from the terran compared to yours (something a student would want to see)
- The terran is horrible and gets his army cut twice. (good to make a point, bad in practice) He donates health on his banshees for no reason along the way.
I don't know what skill level audience you are catering to but that video required several pauses to explain certain points that could've gone different in a little more detail. Ie. if terran notices you out there he might wait for siege and pushes later but with a stronger force.
Not trying to be a dick, but I honestly felt that if that's your promotional material I would not recommend a purchase to a friend based on what I saw.
edit: After reading my own post i do sound like a dick so I'll add some positive feedback.
- The video quality is really good.
- The coach's voice is clear and easy to understand.
- Several replays are available to look at different timings.
- The timing to determine if its a 1-1-1 is really good.
Since its basicly impossible to give a 100% working defense against the 20 variations of the 1-1-1 build I also choose this video to get an impression.
No overlay/prodtab/menus at top hidden - but ok, thats not that important.
Doko mentioned a few good points - no robo started/able to get vision, just guessing things from very few informations. Thats possible, but you are targeting an unexperienced/low skilled audience (?) and expect them to read the terrans unit composition by poking the ramp once or twice (losing 2 stalkers to kill a bunker instead of going back after seeing the tank .. hello?).
Terran loses a Banshee like a silver player, gets cut twice at ramp, you expand so late, that any banshee into expand build would outeco you. Any drop+1 or 2 Banshee would instantly kill your contain-idea.
Basicly you die to cloak Banshee, dropplay and you are behind in eco vs non 1-1-1. A lower skilled player can miss the timing/place of forcefielding the ramp very easy and your point of holding this kind of 1-1-1 is containing the terran, not getting the right units or complete information with observer.
Is possible to play that way? Probably, but rather not. No Robo vs delayed Cloak Banshee, no Observer/possible AOE Tech started (Colossus) vs Ecoplay or very late push.
Is it "easy" to execute for targeted audience? I dont think so. Focus ramp while managing eco/tech/units. Read terrans exact composition by poking, hardly possible. Deadling with Banshee while doing the first two things?
Does it hold any 1-1-1 like "Stopping the Terran 1-1-1"? Of course absolutly not.
You cant counter the strongest and most versatile terran strategy by giving 1 absolute way of playing. Thats like bad Newspaper with big headlines. Everyone will want this, but its just not possible. You are tricking the lower skilled players by giving a possible way to defend a few varieties of that 1-1-1 build with high risk/effort (no robo, ffing ramp, late expand etc) and if they lose all the time its their own fault, because they didnt play perfect.
To teach people you should teach them right, not half-assed general informations on way too complex topics. Easy topic - easy video (like first 5 minutes for build orders, how to use chronoboost, how to saturate ecolines and basic stuff like that). If you want to be taken serious, you should treat complex topics like what they are and make a series "how to hold 1-1-1 part 1 - rine, tank, banshee", "part 2 - rine, cloak banshee" "part 3 - rine, siegetank, raven", "part 4 - banshee into cc" etc, explain different ways to play/scout/engage/unitmix vs different kinds of 1-1-1.
Its too much work? Well ... . Getting better seriously is hard, for player and coach. Plus you can produce more and better content.
Its too specific to help silver player? If he wants to improve he should start it right.
I dont wanna sound too hard, the project has potential and the price is fair compared to normal $/h ratings, but this video in particular was not what your side should deliver.
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27 dollars for one month? What is to stop someone who is interested in just going to youtube and looking up videos for the same things for free?
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Well, i honestly think that content like this should be provided for free. It is not coaching, only tutorials and to be honest day 9 does a better job at explaining.
It may be that im always sceptic towards this kind of content ( like Shokzz guide or similar).
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imho, prices are damn too high.
The idea is really good, but 27$/month is way too much for tutorials.
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On November 03 2011 09:51 shinyA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:31 RusHXceL wrote:
not gonna lie but $27 is way too much for 1 month.
Make it Netflix money month and i be in it How so? I charge nearly that an hour
As you can see in this thread MANY people will not buy it for $27 bucks for 1 month.
So you might want to change the price money or get better players such as HuK,Idra,MC,etc to put up replays.
please reply. ty
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Sorry, but your 1-1-1 strategy won't work at master level. I did a similar build with a push at 7 minutes, but any terran at that level won't walk down the ramp like that and lose 20 units. They get siege first, and then use banshees for vision to attack your sentries and stalkers at the bottom of the ramp, making it impossible to forcefield and delay/cut the army in half.
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On November 04 2011 00:14 mTwRINE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:07 Doko wrote:That stopping 1-1-1 was not very good imho. + Show Spoiler +
- On your first replay you attack around 7 minutes and happen to see a tank thus he must not have enough gas for cloak... yet no robo has been started before hand. So if you are wrong you basically lose your whole mineral line to banshees or all your sentries at the front which later loses you the game.
- There's no production tab open to get a sense of the timings from the terran compared to yours (something a student would want to see)
- The terran is horrible and gets his army cut twice. (good to make a point, bad in practice) He donates health on his banshees for no reason along the way.
I don't know what skill level audience you are catering to but that video required several pauses to explain certain points that could've gone different in a little more detail. Ie. if terran notices you out there he might wait for siege and pushes later but with a stronger force.
Not trying to be a dick, but I honestly felt that if that's your promotional material I would not recommend a purchase to a friend based on what I saw.
edit: After reading my own post i do sound like a dick so I'll add some positive feedback.
- The video quality is really good.
- The coach's voice is clear and easy to understand.
- Several replays are available to look at different timings.
- The timing to determine if its a 1-1-1 is really good.
Since its basicly impossible to give a 100% working defense against the 20 variations of the 1-1-1 build I also choose this video to get an impression. No overlay/prodtab/menus at top hidden - but ok, thats not that important. Doko mentioned a few good points - no robo started/able to get vision, just guessing things from very few informations. Thats possible, but you are targeting an unexperienced/low skilled audience (?) and expect them to read the terrans unit composition by poking the ramp once or twice (losing 2 stalkers to kill a bunker instead of going back after seeing the tank .. hello?). Terran loses a Banshee like a silver player, gets cut twice at ramp, you expand so late, that any banshee into expand build would outeco you. Any drop+1 or 2 Banshee would instantly kill your contain-idea. Basicly you die to cloak Banshee, dropplay and you are behind in eco vs non 1-1-1. A lower skilled player can miss the timing/place of forcefielding the ramp very easy and your point of holding this kind of 1-1-1 is containing the terran, not getting the right units or complete information with observer. Is possible to play that way? Probably, but rather not. No Robo vs delayed Cloak Banshee, no Observer/possible AOE Tech started (Colossus) vs Ecoplay or very late push. Is it "easy" to execute for targeted audience? I dont think so. Focus ramp while managing eco/tech/units. Read terrans exact composition by poking, hardly possible. Deadling with Banshee while doing the first two things? Does it hold any 1-1-1 like "Stopping the Terran 1-1-1"? Of course absolutly not. You cant counter the strongest and most versatile terran strategy by giving 1 absolute way of playing. Thats like bad Newspaper with big headlines. Everyone will want this, but its just not possible. You are tricking the lower skilled players by giving a possible way to defend a few varieties of that 1-1-1 build with high risk/effort (no robo, ffing ramp, late expand etc) and if they lose all the time its their own fault, because they didnt play perfect. To teach people you should teach them right, not half-assed general informations on way too complex topics. Easy topic - easy video (like first 5 minutes for build orders, how to use chronoboost, how to saturate ecolines and basic stuff like that). If you want to be taken serious, you should treat complex topics like what they are and make a series "how to hold 1-1-1 part 1 - rine, tank, banshee", "part 2 - rine, cloak banshee" "part 3 - rine, siegetank, raven", "part 4 - banshee into cc" etc, explain different ways to play/scout/engage/unitmix vs different kinds of 1-1-1. Its too much work? Well ... . Getting better seriously is hard, for player and coach. Plus you can produce more and better content. Its too specific to help silver player? If he wants to improve he should start it right. I dont wanna sound too hard, the project has potential and the price is fair compared to normal $/h ratings, but this video in particular was not what your side should deliver.
Delaying the robo doesn't make you lose to cloak banshee. That's why I wait a little bit to be sure, if I wait to see if he goes tank then I know he's not going cloak and then I can expand before getting the robo. Even if he does go cloak and I lose some probes, I still don't lose the game because he's stuck in his base.
1-1-1 is all in, they have to try to get out of their base. If they just sit on 1 base with marine, tank, banshee while I have an expansion then they will lose. When you say that the T was bad because he got his army split, what do you suggest him do? Just sit in his base, wait for medivacs and then unload everything and attack? He completely misses his timing and his attack is easily dealt with. The whole point of my build is to contain and cut his army when/if he tries to move out and if he doesn't then you have an expansion you just out produce him.
I realize that it's hard for a lower level player to pay attention to the ramp a lot, but with a lot of sentries you don't really have to. Like I mentioned in the video, you can throw down a forcefield and then go do what you need to do back at your base if you feel like you can't keep up.
You say this is all too complicated and kind of over exaggerate. When you say "reading his exact composition by a poke" that sounds a lot more complex than what I showed in the video. I just pointed out that if he has a tank early then he's not going to have cloak early. I don't start my robo until that time so I don't understand the criticism on that point 
I feel like your criticisms, for the most part, are unwarranted. Aside from not having the observer panel up I feel like the information given in the video is very helpful. It's how I stop 1/1/1 and It's a build that I've done against multiple GM players and a ton of different 1/1/1's. It's also something that I've shown students at very low levels and helped them with it over many games and they got it down. You have to put in many games to learn, at any level. Just saying "that's too hard" without trying isn't good criticism. There are plenty of videos on hotkeyit that show all the basics, once you have learned those basics then learning build orders is much easier and is the next step, that's what this video shows.
I do appreciate your posts though! I'll try harder with my next videos
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On November 04 2011 03:56 trivium77 wrote:
Sorry, but your 1-1-1 strategy won't work at master level. I did a similar build with a push at 7 minutes, but any terran at that level won't walk down the ramp like that and lose 20 units. They get siege first, and then use banshees for vision to attack your sentries and stalkers at the bottom of the ramp, making it impossible to forcefield and delay/cut the army in half.
It's all about delaying the attack, if they do that then you delay, just pull back bit by bit and make them keep moving their tanks forward and you gain a lot of extra time. When they do try to move their marines down the ramp you can attack, forcefield the marines back and kill some stuff, you may lost some army but just pull back before losing a lot and you are going to be in a good position, just slowing them down and killing what you can is what will win. You have to realize they can't reproduce like you can, at that point you're on an expand and they have to march all the way across the map. Even if you lose some of your army, at that point killing some of theirs is more important. Just try to be cost effective.
Saying that a build or strategy doesn't work because in a game that you played it didn't work, is just silly.
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On November 03 2011 20:07 Doko wrote:
That stopping 1-1-1 was not very good imho.
- On your first replay you attack around 7 minutes and happen to see a tank thus he must not have enough gas for cloak... yet no robo has been started before hand. So if you are wrong you basically lose your whole mineral line to banshees or all your sentries at the front which later loses you the game.
- There's no production tab open to get a sense of the timings from the terran compared to yours (something a student would want to see)
- The terran is horrible and gets his army cut twice. (good to make a point, bad in practice) He donates health on his banshees for no reason along the way.
I don't know what skill level audience you are catering to but that video required several pauses to explain certain points that could've gone different in a little more detail. Ie. if terran notices you out there he might wait for siege and pushes later but with a stronger force.
Not trying to be a dick, but I honestly felt that if that's your promotional material I would not recommend a purchase to a friend based on what I saw.
edit: After reading my own post i do sound like a dick so I'll add some positive feedback.
- The video quality is really good.
- The coach's voice is clear and easy to understand.
- Several replays are available to look at different timings.
- The timing to determine if its a 1-1-1 is really good.
I don't need a robo before then, that point is where I want to see if he's going cloak or not. If I see the tank then I don't have to get robo, if I see no tank then I get a robo. It's not a guess...I'm not guessing he doesn't have cloak by not having a robo, I'm using that to tell me if I need a robo or not. I won't lose to cloak banshee's either way though.
- I'm sorry, there should have been production tab open! But at the same time I didn't want to have people worrying about what I was building, it's a reactive build and isn't defined by what I was building in those games.
- Like I said in previous posts, the Terran has only a few options. If they aren't going cloak then they need to get out of their base because the longer they wait , the longer I'll be on 2 base. He can either wait for siege, medivacs, or just expand but if he does one of those things then I just get further and further ahead. He has to try to get down his ramp and that's when you cut him in half.
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When exactly is Cecilsunkure teaching...? He is one of the best mentors Ive ever bought lessons from!
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These videos are good....Just because you guys can't execute it properly does not mean the build is bad.
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On November 04 2011 00:48 mastergriggy wrote:
27 dollars for one month? What is to stop someone who is interested in just going to youtube and looking up videos for the same things for free?
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On November 04 2011 02:54 Damnight wrote:
Well, i honestly think that content like this should be provided for free. It is not coaching, only tutorials and to be honest day 9 does a better job at explaining.
It may be that im always sceptic towards this kind of content ( like Shokzz guide or similar).
+2
So you what to get better, my dearest average gamer? Here are the three steps to do it!
1. Get a buildorder notebook for Starcraft2. Write any and all buildorders, with notes about particulars in each of them, as well as timings.
2. Watch Starcraft2 videos. Ask yourself why the pro player did what he did, his reasoning behind every move.
3. Play ladder, as much as your time permits.
Just do it. It's free.
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I watched the video with the 'Terran hotkeys', and I'm really disappointed.
1. He talks about learning to use hotkeys, yet doesn't enable the hotkey tool tip in options, so you don't have to hover each button (Options - Gameplay - Display Command Hotkey Text). Obviously a big help for the average beginner.
2. He encourages to use the standard hotkey setup for your race, because some "competitive events" don't allow to change them? Can anyone name a tournament that does this? And compare it to those that allow it. At least mention grid too. Personally I feel a player that is conscious about his choice of hotkeys will evolve faster and play better. And then he changes the camera hotkeys....
3. Teaches about camera hotkeys, but scrolls around using the mouse more than using the cameras.
I expect more from someone that charges for that kind of service, and therefore I'm not impressed.
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Looks really nice! Good luck. I've been thinking about taking a few lessons for a while now.
I do have to admit, the price did scare me a bit though
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On October 14 2011 10:26 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 02:58 Ripebananaa wrote:On October 14 2011 01:15 CrushDog5 wrote:
I think this is a good alternative to individual coaching, which is ridiculously expensive, and may be a lot more productive in most cases. Players definitely need something more than streams and ladder, if they want to improve quickly.
I think coaching and playing are different skills.
Besides, imagine a coaching session with idra:
Idra: Thanks for the $300 dollars.
You: Sure, I'm really excited to be here. So, what did you think of the replay I sent you.
Idra: Basically, I think you're the worst player I've ever seen. Just terrible. I mean really, really bad.
You: What should I do to get better?
Idra: Get better? You're terrible. Everything you do is bad. Your macro is bad, your micro is bad. Everything. The only chance you have to win is if your opponent disconnects. Your best bet is to just put up extractors everywhere and hope for a disconnect.
You: I wouldn't do that.
Idra: I wouldn't either, but then I'm not as terrible as you.
You: But I want to improve!
Idra: Improve? You can't improve, you are awful. You've lost already. Just quit, leave the game. In fact, I can feel myself getting worse just by talking to you.
>> Idra disconnects
I sincerely hope you're not that ignorant. It's idra
Point? I'm also a dick in real life, and i also know one of the most cocky asses in the world, yet i get paid to teach people, and he gets paid to tutor people, and we both do pretty well at it. Since when does how a person act in one situation imply that they will always act like that. Hell go look at him when he casted the NASL, hands down one of the best casters i've ever seen, and acted entirely different from his classic BM.
This thing looks interesting, but i feel like nearly 30 dollars a month is kind of steep for "lessons" at least on my budget. yeah ik ppl like idra charge some ungodly 300 dollars an hour or something but id rather just learn for myself. Best of luck to whoever tries it though.
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Since this caught my eye the first time around, I guess I should give some feedback. First, I submitted a replay and got one response that included some information on ways that I could improve. The post was very informative but I was surprised no one else had any thoughts about it. I also didn't agree with all that was said, different mindsets I suppose !
(then again I am no "pro").
Having a TL like forum is fun but,the thing that got me to put down that first month's pay to the site was the videos ! It looked really cool and I thought I would be exposed to constant upcoming strategies and pro tips. Now I am an understanding person, and there have been alot of events going on (MLG) so it is expected that the site isn't as active as it should/could be. That being said: the last Terran Tutorial was Sept 12.
I guess... I never really gave the site a fair chance, I maybe have spent a total of six hours browsing it in the last month. So maybe the current content that is on there is already enough. Some of the tutorials they have on there are really cool. But I guess I joined for the wrong reasons and I'll be better off with a notepad and GSL in HQ. All in all, I am not going to give them a rating or anything, just going to say I will not be renewing my subscription anytime soon.
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I have a feeling HotKeyIt made their pricing decisions mistakenly, assuming that people will drop $27/mo on their subscriptions since there's a small handful of people who are going to Gosu Coaching or pros like Idra. A website like this, if done right, has the potential to become massively popular if it were free or if the subscription's cost were comparable to GOMTV's, popular enough to attract corporate sponsors even. In the end, big corporate sponsors are what they and every other startup out there should be aiming for, and they'll never achieve that with their current approach.
I also concur HotKeyIt needs to hire some serious pros who can pull off their techniques on the Korean Ladder if they want to establish credibility. For example, I've seen enough pros like HuK, HongunPrime and SlayerS_Puzzle get stomped by the 1-1-1 using 10 different techniques, and others like NHSH_Sage, TSL_Killer and oGsMC BEAT it with FE+Blink Stalkers or Phoenix+DT. That said I have no reason to believe Classic's guide to stopping it with 3 gate variations even worth the watching, much less paying for.
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On November 04 2011 05:11 HellGreen wrote:
I watched the video with the 'Terran hotkeys', and I'm really disappointed.
1. He talks about learning to use hotkeys, yet doesn't enable the hotkey tool tip in options, so you don't have to hover each button (Options - Gameplay - Display Command Hotkey Text). Obviously a big help for the average beginner.
2. He encourages to use the standard hotkey setup for your race, because some "competitive events" don't allow to change them? Can anyone name a tournament that does this? And compare it to those that allow it. At least mention grid too. Personally I feel a player that is conscious about his choice of hotkeys will evolve faster and play better. And then he changes the camera hotkeys....
3. Teaches about camera hotkeys, but scrolls around using the mouse more than using the cameras.
I expect more from someone that charges for that kind of service, and therefore I'm not impressed.
1. The tooltip is bad to use for learning.
2. I said that's one reason not to modify them, but the standard keys are also the best. The video isn't meant to show you every single possibility and the grid sucks IMO. Viewers asked this in the video thread and you can read the responses there.
3. The "camera hotkeys" are used for a specific task, not moving around the map in general.
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On November 04 2011 07:44 Skew wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:11 HellGreen wrote:
I watched the video with the 'Terran hotkeys', and I'm really disappointed.
1. He talks about learning to use hotkeys, yet doesn't enable the hotkey tool tip in options, so you don't have to hover each button (Options - Gameplay - Display Command Hotkey Text). Obviously a big help for the average beginner.
2. He encourages to use the standard hotkey setup for your race, because some "competitive events" don't allow to change them? Can anyone name a tournament that does this? And compare it to those that allow it. At least mention grid too. Personally I feel a player that is conscious about his choice of hotkeys will evolve faster and play better. And then he changes the camera hotkeys....
3. Teaches about camera hotkeys, but scrolls around using the mouse more than using the cameras.
I expect more from someone that charges for that kind of service, and therefore I'm not impressed. 1. The tooltip is bad to use for learning. 2. I said that's one reason not to modify them, but the standard keys are also the best. The video isn't meant to show you every single possibility and the grid sucks IMO. Viewers asked this in the video thread and you can read the responses there. 3. The "camera hotkeys" are used for a specific task, not moving around the map in general.
Sorry, Skew, but the standard hotkeys are only "the best" if you're already used to them from SC1/BW. For both tactical and ergonomic reasons, I modified my hotkeys so they're all on the left-hand side of the keyboard, and it now feels more like playing a piano rather than typing on a computer with one hand. My APM also tripled as a result from being able to move my hands less and therefore more efficiently. But don't take my word for it - Tastosis have revently mentioned several times how they've been radically modifying their own hotkeys, even after 13 yrs of using BW's standard set-up.
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Content seems really lackluster for your price tag to be honest. I'm a sucker for subscription video services. I utilized a few for poker and really enjoyed them. I was excited when I saw this thread, but after browsing your sight it's fairly meh. A decent amount of outdated videos and a whopping 1 video doing a leak finder for a silver Terran in October.
TLO uses grid
Huk uses a custom setup
Not being nitpicky but your reasons for grid sucks, or dont use custom set ups just seems like it is based on personal bias vice fact, and since this is the sample video you chose to show for my chosen race I can only assume the rest of the video's will be the same. The rest of the information given out in this video was given out by day9 6 months ago for free.
It's a pass for me, but if the content improves dramatically I would consider signing up.
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Excellent alternative to the increasingly overpriced world of coaching.
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How is this different from Nerdstomper (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210794) which was 1/5th the cost but didn't succeed?
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On November 04 2011 07:44 Skew wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:11 HellGreen wrote:
I watched the video with the 'Terran hotkeys', and I'm really disappointed.
1. He talks about learning to use hotkeys, yet doesn't enable the hotkey tool tip in options, so you don't have to hover each button (Options - Gameplay - Display Command Hotkey Text). Obviously a big help for the average beginner.
2. He encourages to use the standard hotkey setup for your race, because some "competitive events" don't allow to change them? Can anyone name a tournament that does this? And compare it to those that allow it. At least mention grid too. Personally I feel a player that is conscious about his choice of hotkeys will evolve faster and play better. And then he changes the camera hotkeys....
3. Teaches about camera hotkeys, but scrolls around using the mouse more than using the cameras.
I expect more from someone that charges for that kind of service, and therefore I'm not impressed. 1. The tooltip is bad to use for learning. 2. I said that's one reason not to modify them, but the standard keys are also the best. The video isn't meant to show you every single possibility and the grid sucks IMO. Viewers asked this in the video thread and you can read the responses there. 3. The "camera hotkeys" are used for a specific task, not moving around the map in general.
Thanks for your reply. I got some comments.
Ad 1) Please explain why mouse-hovering is better than just glancing with your eyes? At least turn the option on for starters, then turn it off later for practice or make a quiz with a buddy or something. It's really useful for those things you seldom get (ie. Raven upgrades and the like).
Ad 2) Please do explain why any key on the right side of the keyboard is better than on the left. Ie. the "Planetary upgrade" for CC on the "P" button as default.
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I've been meaning to change my location jump hotkeys for awhile, and your video finally conviced me to play a computer and do it.
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i do agree that people should be paid for their time but knowledge is power and its suppose to be free. i think people need to focus on sponsers or using linkbucks or ads or you tube partnerships. theirs many ways to get paid without taking from the little guy. id much rather be asked for donations like day 9 does (and he probably provides the same information) then pay. hes really the one whos instructional videos are of any sort of good quality or informational substance.
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On October 13 2011 10:13 Mczeppo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless! A couple of hours with idra would not help more because newbies have to learn basics... It's a waste of money unless you are already very good.
Yea, not to mention that it's not like we know IdrA is good at teaching anyone anything. Lineup is actually quite impressive - I recognize at least half the coaches and it's not like I know everyone playing every SC2 tournament out there.
Demanding players of IdrA calliber as coaches is like demanding Jenson Button to teach you how to drive on a race track.
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So, here are my thoughts about Terran Hotkeys lesson.
First, it's great for a newbie, it starts normally then goes into something that average player may not know. There's some kind of impact behind every advise - which i like, it doesnt makes me want to just think "Meh, i'll do it later" and then you forget it, it's explained after advice. Though I would like to see more examples in all these advices, it's just best to tell you the consequences behind your wrong-doing, instead of saying blindly "Dont do it cause its bad DOT".
Definitely liked some theory crafting, though not the bad kind of it, the talk about medivacs coming out from fow.
Really liked not talking about bronze leagues or something but also talking about higher levls of play, not talking 30 minutes about one points, not getting me bored to death - thats a plus.
Did i learned something ? Yes, i knew about these things, hotkeys, getting all things together to get a better control of your play but didnt knew how to put them into my game. Video gave practical information about how to actually do it in game. Thats best, videos of people doing thing and explaining are always better than reading about it.
What i didnt liked was the hosting site or whatever it is. It's so slow, it stutters and its hard to navigate.
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On Nov 3 2011 22:52 Ghostface_Killa wrote:
For both tactical and ergonomic reasons, I modified my hotkeys so they're all on the left-hand side of the keyboard, and it now feels more like playing a piano rather than typing on a computer with one hand. My APM also tripled as a result from being able to move my hands less and therefore more efficiently. But don't take my word for it - Tastosis have revently mentioned several times how they've been radically modifying their own hotkeys, even after 13 yrs of using BW's standard set-up.
Tripling your APM sounds like a huge exaggeration. Either you had horrendously low APM with the standard keys or you have ridiculously high APM now.
On Nov 4 2011 03:26 HellGreen wrote:Thanks for your reply. I got some comments. Ad 1) Please explain why mouse-hovering is better than just glancing with your eyes? At least turn the option on for starters, then turn it off later for practice or make a quiz with a buddy or something. It's really useful for those things you seldom get (ie. Raven upgrades and the like). .
Forces you to commit it to memory.
Hope I'm not overstepping my bounds Skew, just trying to help
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How often do you update your strats/bo/guides? I've seen many other sites even reviewed a few and they didn't really keep up with the updates on the game and strategies.
What about you guys.
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pretty awesome 4 gate build, well presented and good advice, thank you =D
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@thesideshow
lol TY.
@dire
It hasn't been long enough that we need to replace most of the older stuff yet but yes it will be when it needs to be. Otherwise we post new content as much as we can.
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Started watching the zerg practice one. Heard the guy talking was a vVv player. Laughed, then felt sad. Stopped watching the zerg practice one. Launched SC2 to practice on my own.
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On November 05 2011 09:07 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Started watching the zerg practice one. Heard the guy talking was a vVv player. Laughed, then felt sad. Stopped watching the zerg practice one. Launched SC2 to practice on my own.
That's too bad you stopped listening, your loss. FYI, I was a featured streamer for a reason (lost recently due to inactivity T_T).
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Haha sounds very nice, but i cant afford
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I just watched Classic's Stopping the Terran 1-1-1 as Protoss video. Overall I really enjoyed it but there were some parts that I definitely think could be improved, or at least taken into account. First, I thought it was odd that all the games were played against the same player. It's an odd complaint, but I'd like to see different players. Also I was wondering about the different styles of the 1-1-1. In the two games which showed the 1-1-1, the Terran didn't get siege mode, cloak, or a raven. I'd like to see how he handles the situations, especially considering his fairly late robotics facility. Another small complaint I had was the second half of the video was just how the 3 gate works against MM aggression or a 1 rax FE. I'd put that as a part 2, for people who just wanted to see how to incorporate the 3 gate expand vs non 1-1-1 openings. Although I seem down so far, I really enjoyed the video, and found it very helpful. I've been having a lot of trouble vs the 1-1-1 opening, especially considering all the pro videos I have seen have the Terran just rolling over the Protoss player, most notably EGPuMa rolling multiple players in different tournaments. I am really enjoying the site so far, and think it can be really good for the community. One thing I might suggest for the site is a place where people can put suggestions for videos they want to see. For instance if a new Roach Ling timing comes out and many Protoss are having trouble with it, but someone like INkA knows how to hold it, people could suggest a video for holding the timing, and then in response INkA could make a tutorial video on how to hold the attack. Also, I personally feel the price is too high, but that's not my call. Best of Luck to you all!
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This is awful.
Many of the videos just are poor quality, for example the video on how to stop 1-1-1 just shows an awful way of stopping it and has an absolute idiot terran as opponent to 'proof' his points.
Also how can you ever ask 27$ !!! a month for a strategy site. The audacity to expect people to pay that amount for this is just...
As far as recommendations go I would seriously up the quality of the video's if you really intend to sell these, these are just casted replays which is been done much better by day 9 for free already. For a pay site i'd expect some incredibly detailed video's or some very detailed written guides. I just can't recommend this to anyone in this state..
Finally the list of 'coaches' also lacks reputable names which isn't strictly neccesary but makes it hard to sell these guides even more as anything worthwhile.
Would have been a great idea if you chose another business model, one more fitting to an online game community like this. Gamers don't like to pay much and certainly not for what feels as should be free. A freebee/premium model with ads feels much more fitting.. For example put some ads on the site and in the video's and have a premium account for access without ads and perhaps a personal forum etc.
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I'll give you guys some tips. edited out the longer version because it isn't my money producing business , yeah I got a crappy reputation ladder-wise but I'm one of the longest term coaches with constant positive reviews over at z33k.com.
Cut down your coaching staff to less people who are more motivated. The high amount of coaches looks "sloppy" Yes, it is good to grab tons of good players. But honestly some of them here (and no, not talking about Desrow, although I've heard about yelling or w/e but were talking about videos) you should know about already. It currently isn't worth 27 for even 2-3 months imo.
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It's a nice idea, obviously based on the poker video websites, but IMO your pricing is too high. Your prices are similar to what said poker video sites charge, but the difference is that with poker sites, your returns can quickly pay for the subscription - in SC2, the potential earnings are not enough to justify this as an investment. You should try playing a bit with the prices and see what amount gives you the highest revenue in total (unless you already did that and figured $27 is optimal, I might be mistaken with my estimates).
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i recently switched to zerg because i wanted to give the race a fair try. but, ive been getting frustrated and caught off guard especially by not having enough drones made or not enough expansions(really just having economy issues)...so i do what any normal person would do and came to the team liquid forums and strategy to do some research, and just maybe id find something that could help me rid my zerg economical woes. well lo-and-behold i come along this thread called sc2 pro guides...me thinking the name sounds easy enough to comprehend why not give it a look. well would you look at that...a free video on how to practice zerg...hmmm (click).... to make a long story short i watched the video....practiced a couple times by myself. directly after, my real life friend that plays protoss and is platinum got on(im gold btw). i have yet to beat him in my sc2 career which started at the end of season 2.
I 3-0'D HIS ASS!!!!!
in all the games he decided to FFE and i just did the three base roach with the macro hatch and won very easily. id just like to say thanks for pointing me in the right direction. sure ive still got some kinks to work out, but its coming along splendidly.
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i really like it. will seriously consider getting it.
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I don't like that you define a one base all-in (at 10 minutes) as cheese. That's probably the most ridiculous definition I have heard. First of all you have all the time in the world to see it coming, And second, terran on one base should beat any other race on one base in terms of production capability.
And saying that protoss has _ a lot _ of cheese is just bullshit. Especially when you're playing as terran... And a siege tank or two would totally kill that push he made.
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Very high quality videos, with great commentary over all. But one thing I would like to suggest is something like "X hours trial" in a sense that many sites have 7days trials and so on. Which would allow you to watch total of "X hours" of videos, and it would give much better view of the site and video quality, but keep up the good work!
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Typical community stuff. Everyone complains or trolls without actually having tried it. And it’s always easier to bitch than actually doing something.
I think what you guys are doing is great. I know coaches can be upwards of 20,30,40+ per hour and if you can provide the same type of coaching for a cheaper rate, good for you guys. Coaching is necessary. Even someone like Tiger Woods get’s coached. If you want to play at the highest levels you need to find your weaknesses and sometimes it’s not always apparent to you what your weaknesses are.
I will admit for some, the price might be a little high. I personally don’t think it’s that bad, but it’s all relative. I make a decent living so 27$ isn’t all the money in the world to me. I hope you guys keep up the good work! I’m thinking about giving it a try myself.
If you build it they will come.
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I'm a masters zerg player, watched the free video of "How to train" and actually found it really helpful.
I'd like to subscribe but as other posters have mentioned I am never going to pay $27 monthly for it, despite having plenty of disposable income.
I think it would be wise to have two levels of subscription. One basic just for the VODs and one with all the VIP support and whatnot.
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I watched the Zerg introduction video and it's quite nice. This is a good website for beginners.
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Just watched the iNkA vid. Really good vid. I would suggest that if you want to become even more desirable, that you guys do some dual coaching as well. Take a professional from both races and talk a little bit about what timing windows are popular, how to defend certain rushes, safe expansion timings, etc. Most coaches are from the race being played, but you can step it up and become the only site to offer coaching from both perspectives. That could be really beneficial to new players to help understand races they don't play and potential threats to become more aware of. Just a thought but it could help the site expand.
Keep it up guys.
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On November 08 2011 22:19 bumjeba wrote:Just watched the iNkA vid. Really good vid. I would suggest that if you want to become even more desirable, that you guys do some dual coaching as well. Take a professional from both races and talk a little bit about what timing windows are popular, how to defend certain rushes, safe expansion timings, etc. Most coaches are from the race being played, but you can step it up and become the only site to offer coaching from both perspectives. That could be really beneficial to new players to help understand races they don't play and potential threats to become more aware of. Just a thought but it could help the site expand. Keep it up guys.
Thanks for the input.
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On November 06 2011 21:22 JediGamer wrote:
I'll give you guys some tips. edited out the longer version because it isn't my money producing business , yeah I got a crappy reputation ladder-wise but I'm one of the longest term coaches with constant positive reviews over at z33k.com.
Cut down your coaching staff to less people who are more motivated. The high amount of coaches looks "sloppy" Yes, it is good to grab tons of good players. But honestly some of them here (and no, not talking about Desrow, although I've heard about yelling or w/e but were talking about videos) you should know about already. It currently isn't worth 27 for even 2-3 months imo.
rofl it's really easy to have positive reviews on z33k. You can keep your opinion for yourself.
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On November 10 2011 10:32 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 21:22 JediGamer wrote:
I'll give you guys some tips. edited out the longer version because it isn't my money producing business , yeah I got a crappy reputation ladder-wise but I'm one of the longest term coaches with constant positive reviews over at z33k.com.
Cut down your coaching staff to less people who are more motivated. The high amount of coaches looks "sloppy" Yes, it is good to grab tons of good players. But honestly some of them here (and no, not talking about Desrow, although I've heard about yelling or w/e but were talking about videos) you should know about already. It currently isn't worth 27 for even 2-3 months imo.
rofl it's really easy to have positive reviews on z33k. You can keep your opinion for yourself.
Luckily at the same time I had fake troll reviews removed, some of your Real less than 5 star reviews you got were taken down, you can thank me? I've never actually had a paying student give a bad review, the same can't be said likewise. I was trying to give you guys some ideas to get a serious product out there. As you can see from the concerned posters it currently isn't worth the rates.
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I didn't take the time to read all the replies but the ones I did read dealt with the cost vs quality and the "weak" coach list. I don't agree with the negativity surrounding those issues. This is a great idea for not only pro's, but high level players to earn some cash too. I'm all for bringing cash to gamers in hopes of one day anyone with skill being able to get paid to play games no matter what the game is.
Just because a coach hasn't finished in the top 20 of a pro tournament doesn't mean what they can teach a less skilled player is trash. Sure, while it is better to be coached by Idra than some random top 100 GM....the point is moot if the student is sub-masters. Am I right?
Also, great players spend a lot of time playing the game, to get better and win tournaments. People are trying to make a living at this. The cost of $27 is far too low IMO. You take into consideration the cost of the site, hosting, bandwidth, admins and then the coaches.....when it boils down to it its split between so many people that it becomes not worthy of anyones time.
The concept is great but I do think there needs to be a better way to generate more money for the coaches. That way it will actually be worthy of someone like MMA's time. I mean....if I finished 4th in a GSL I sure as hell wouldn't be making coaching videos for $27!
Maybe offer different tiers of membership? Make it similar to the ladder rank system for giggles. Bronze-Gold membership gives access to lesser known/skilled coaches, Plat-Masters gives access to more coaches and GM membership gives access to the "best of the best". Different membership ranks could also limit members access to certain parts of the site? Have a forums in which the members can chat with the coaches and limit which forums they can access based on their membership level. You can pay the coaches to check in once a day and shoot a video a week? Charge different amounts and offer to help coaches to advertise their 1on1 coaching? So long as the money goes to the coaches, I don't see what the problem is with paying any amount.
I see the site as being a great way for coaches to get off the ground and start making money. Anyone who supports e-sports should support the site. I'm not saying sign up! Hell, just help spread the word about the site if you feel its not worth your money.
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On November 11 2011 15:22 bulletbutter wrote:
I didn't take the time to read all the replies but the ones I did read dealt with the cost vs quality and the "weak" coach list. I don't agree with the negativity surrounding those issues. This is a great idea for not only pro's, but high level players to earn some cash too. I'm all for bringing cash to gamers in hopes of one day anyone with skill being able to get paid to play games no matter what the game is.
Just because a coach hasn't finished in the top 20 of a pro tournament doesn't mean what they can teach a less skilled player is trash. Sure, while it is better to be coached by Idra than some random top 100 GM....the point is moot if the student is sub-masters. Am I right?
Also, great players spend a lot of time playing the game, to get better and win tournaments. People are trying to make a living at this. The cost of $27 is far too low IMO. You take into consideration the cost of the site, hosting, bandwidth, admins and then the coaches.....when it boils down to it its split between so many people that it becomes not worthy of anyones time.
The concept is great but I do think there needs to be a better way to generate more money for the coaches. That way it will actually be worthy of someone like MMA's time. I mean....if I finished 4th in a GSL I sure as hell wouldn't be making coaching videos for $27!
Maybe offer different tiers of membership? Make it similar to the ladder rank system for giggles. Bronze-Gold membership gives access to lesser known/skilled coaches, Plat-Masters gives access to more coaches and GM membership gives access to the "best of the best". Different membership ranks could also limit members access to certain parts of the site? Have a forums in which the members can chat with the coaches and limit which forums they can access based on their membership level. You can pay the coaches to check in once a day and shoot a video a week? Charge different amounts and offer to help coaches to advertise their 1on1 coaching? So long as the money goes to the coaches, I don't see what the problem is with paying any amount.
I see the site as being a great way for coaches to get off the ground and start making money. Anyone who supports e-sports should support the site. I'm not saying sign up! Hell, just help spread the word about the site if you feel its not worth your money.
Nice ideas!
Anyways I have doubts about the quality of the overall content like many others. For example, in the video about stopping 1--1-1, it teaches you how to use a 3 WG. Yes a 3 WG could stop a 1-1-1 player, but what if he doesn't 1-1-1? As far as I know the best ways to stop a 1-1-1 all-in are to either 1 Gate expand or 1 gate robo expand. That's what I hear from pros.
There is a product out there called the Shokz guide, it is like a one time payment of $37 and that gets them infinite access to future updates, strategies, etc., even though I don't think they have videos (all text/pictures), so I think you guys will really have to up the quality of your website. With $27 a month, every video should be extremely concise, clear, crisp, etc., no "ums" from the speakers, no mistakes in the videos, outstanding examples and explanations, etc. etc., not something you think through your head in 5 minutes max and then make a video about it., or else I think a cheaper price would get a lot more profit (and more people = better forum/community).
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Nice project but not much advices for Toss ;(
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oh look, another debate on the commercialism of starcraft.
I'm glad we havent had this topic come up yet, whether someone should pay for lessons or if someone who's ranked 148th in america should charge for lessons.
People pay for hand jobs, let this be like that, it doesnt get you anywhere, but you enjoy it.
It's their money...
As for the 148th ranked US, probably 380th~ in the world giving lessons, meh, everyone who's good knows who they are and can privately chuckle and make fun of them. Then again, they are making more money from coaching and streaming than the person laughing ever could from winning tournaments...
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I love this site, brohans. I am a happy subscriber.
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cool, could be a very strong foundation for new players to build upon!
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I think this is a great idea for players that practice a lot and put in the work but don't see results and do not have the money for 1 on 1 coaching. While 1 on 1 is certainly better it is really limited on your financial situation. The free videos great for newbies but not for the average bronze or hold platinum maybe diamond for sure and masters hey if you wanna really be a GM get 1 on 1 if you can
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New set of free videos updated in the OP.
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Not good enough to make a living being pro so you thought youd try this? This is the excact same as that website Machine and incontrol have where they sell all their 'secrets' for like 200$, people who pay money for this are really said in my opinion
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how to advance in 'wood' league. I want to be like incholesterol and hatepro.
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I watched vVvRuFF's 4 rax reaper into double expand build since I play Terran, and I thought it was a very creative build. I have been looking for a way to put on early pressure while still getting my bio or marine/tank force behind it. I realize that this is RuFF's first video, so this is not a big deal, but the only thing that RuFF had a problem with was staying on top of everything that was going on as it happened. I think that he will definitely get better at this, as he already explains everything very well. The only thing I might have a problem with the concept of HotKeyIt is the fact that during coaching I can ask questions, however with the amount of videos on HotKeyIt there is likely an answer to my questions, and it's cheaper than coaching. Great job guys!
Thanks. I hope this feedback awards me a free sub =O
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On January 10 2012 07:00 iMMortaL.797 wrote:
I watched vVvRuFF's 4 rax reaper into double expand build since I play Terran, and I thought it was a very creative build. I have been looking for a way to put on early pressure while still getting my bio or marine/tank force behind it. I realize that this is RuFF's first video, so this is not a big deal, but the only thing that RuFF had a problem with was staying on top of everything that was going on as it happened. I think that he will definitely get better at this, as he already explains everything very well. The only thing I might have a problem with the concept of HotKeyIt is the fact that during coaching I can ask questions, however with the amount of videos on HotKeyIt there is likely an answer to my questions, and it's cheaper than coaching. Great job guys!
Thanks. I hope this feedback awards me a free sub =O
Every video has a thread attached to it. You can ask questions you had about the video there. We try to make sure all of those questions are answered by the video creator.
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People in Bronze, Silver, and Gold could learn for hours and hours from anyone masters or better.
Anyone who thinks they couldn't, truly underestimates the volume of stuff that goes into playing Starcraft. If you've ever had to give someone the play by play, from ground Zero. You would understand. It is at the very least, 10 hours that everyone who started playing could be acclerated by being taught and practicing it with someone better.
Critisizing the videos, build orders, counters- that is just silly. It would be fair to take people's money for teaching them what a build order even is, when to expand, gates/structures per base, counters, timings- you could go on for hours. Are these guys ready to coach Masters players? That is debatle. But Plat or below, there is NO question.
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free subscriptions for feedback or product placement on twitter? clever, this idea will succeed, good luck!
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EDIT - Sorry this is an old thread. I didn't realize I already posted something similar months ago so I'm wiping this one.
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On January 10 2012 07:00 iMMortaL.797 wrote:
I watched vVvRuFF's 4 rax reaper into double expand build since I play Terran, and I thought it was a very creative build. I have been looking for a way to put on early pressure while still getting my bio or marine/tank force behind it. I realize that this is RuFF's first video, so this is not a big deal, but the only thing that RuFF had a problem with was staying on top of everything that was going on as it happened. I think that he will definitely get better at this, as he already explains everything very well. The only thing I might have a problem with the concept of HotKeyIt is the fact that during coaching I can ask questions, however with the amount of videos on HotKeyIt there is likely an answer to my questions, and it's cheaper than coaching. Great job guys!
Thanks. I hope this feedback awards me a free sub =O
Yea, I'll take care of you. I'll send you a PM to get your info.
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Lol I remember watching RuFF play with that build.
Basically everyone hard countered him because they all knew he did it.
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I don't feel the coaches are AS good as some other places. However I do think people can prolly learn a thing or two.
Altho what you don't seem to get is that lots of people get coaching not only for the advice but also to get an hour or two 1on1 time with their idols. Don't go shitting on "usual" coaching because you are offering something different.
EDIT; Also I feel the price is a bit steep even if it is a whole month of content. Unless you put up new videos like 2-3 times/week it's simply not worth it since you call it a month of content but it's really just a few days worth. My apologizes if this is not the case.
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Not to knock this, but anyone who is actually going to pay for this...get a personal coach instead. Or, even better, just play the game and get connections that way. Also, Day[9] and streams. Day[9] and streams.
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I don't support this at all and am against it. As day9 does this every single day, and it seems to me you just made a way to make money off it which day9 is strictly against. So I vote no.
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On January 12 2012 06:42 stormseeker442 wrote:
I don't support this at all and am against it. As day9 does this every single day, and it seems to me you just made a way to make money off it which day9 is strictly against. So I vote no.
It's really interesting to me that you think if someone tries to make money putting together a quality product in an industry they've spent years of their life in and enjoy a great deal, that it's somehow wrong or immoral.
And as far as Day9 goes I've said plenty about him in this exact thread earlier on. What he does is great and if you can get to where you want to be through his videos alone, that's excellent. A lot of players end up paying ridiculous coaching costs to people who don't give a shit and put no effort into their job, and we thought we could maybe offer a solution to that.
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THis is a awesome Idea and I would love to be a part of the site. I tried signing up for the month subscription but the page wont load when I choose what subscription I want. I go to your member ship > Add/Renew Subscription > in drop down I choose the 1 month subscription and then It just goes to a page that says "The connection was reset. The connection to the server was reset while page was loading"
I don't know how to fix this... Maybe the page is just down right now? I tried turning off my fire wall... But maybe I am doing something wrong?
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On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!
A couple hours with idra is 9-1200$, just sayin
This looks great, some awesome stuff!
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Since this is still being advertised heavily and after having a friend actually subscribe to this site and use it, I wanted to make one more post here.
You can get to a high level just by watching Day9, which is free. My friend described Hotkeyit as not having enough new content to justify the insane price point, and that issue is only compounded on their forum.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/faxwS.png)
These people are paying customers and they've literally gone three weeks without a response. For the price this site is asking, that's just insanely poor customer service. My friend posted on a forum thread concerning a video on how to hold the 1-1-1 asking for the replays of the games used in the video. He was completely ignored by the coach, but two weeks later when another player posted in the thread asking a question the coach quickly replied to him. Wtf?
There's a right way to do sites like this and there's a wrong way to do sites like this. I think Hotkeyit.com is doing it very wrong.
tl;dr - shitty customer service and shitty rate of new content at an insanely high price all for stuff you could get for free by watching day9. please think twice.
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On January 13 2012 09:03 Kaoii wrote:Since this is still being advertised heavily and after having a friend actually subscribe to this site and use it, I wanted to make one more post here. You can get to a high level just by watching Day9, which is free. My friend described Hotkeyit as not having enough new content to justify the insane price point, and that issue is only compounded on their forum. These people are paying customers and they've literally gone three weeks without a response. For the price this site is asking, that's just insanely poor customer service. My friend posted on a forum thread concerning a video on how to hold the 1-1-1 asking for the replays of the games used in the video. He was completely ignored by the coach, but two weeks later when another player posted in the thread asking a question the coach quickly replied to him. Wtf? There's a right way to do sites like this and there's a wrong way to do sites like this. I think Hotkeyit.com is doing it very wrong. tl;dr - shitty customer service and shitty rate of new content at an insanely high price all for stuff you could get for free by watching day9. please think twice.
You are right, we should have answered this. I surely meant to as the complaint was quite unsettling. The complaint wasn't ignored though. Since then I've contacted many Terran players to add to our staff including the very active vVvRuff. Since that complaint there has been a large increase in Terran videos.
I shouldn't have left the post alone, but the issue was addressed and continues to be. (we are uploading and posting a video from Ruff right now)
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On January 13 2012 09:12 SuitGuy wrote:
You are right, we should have answered this. I surely meant to as the complaint was quite unsettling. The complaint wasn't ignored though. Since then I've contacted many Terran players to add to our staff including the very active vVvRuff. Since that complaint there has been a large increase in Terran videos.
I shouldn't have left the post alone, but the issue was addressed and continues to be. (we are uploading and posting a video from Ruff right now)
I just want it to be clear that I don't think there's inherently anything wrong with you charging for the content you produce. I believe it's a niche that does need to be filled in the SC2 community and your content is far superior to that Shockz Guide bullshit, but as it stands right now the monthly fee of $27 is - to be frank - ridiculous. I don't believe it's something you can logically justify to your current paying customers or those interested in signing up. Saying something like "it's okay because IdrA charges $300 an hour" is a logical fallacy.
I'm not just here to berate your site due to its clear issues, I posted sound advice earlier in the thread that you should seriously consider in order to make Hotkeyit.com a place that deserves a player's $27 a month. As it stands right now, it is simply not competitive with the free conveniences like Day9 or the TL.net strategy section.
If you wanted Hotkeyit.com to be more competitive, you would:
- Fix your sloppy customer service. If someone is going to pay you $27 a month and posts on your forum asking for assistance or even a replay, even if you can't make that customer happy with your response a bad response is better than no response.
- Fix your rate of content. Promise users X amount of videos every month for each race so they feel like that $27 is going towards PRODUCING something other than simply having access to view something. With as many coaches as the site has signed on, I fail to see how this is such a problem.
- Improve the production of new content. This one is far more minor than the previous two, assured, but it's still something to take note of. Your videos, as it stands right now, have about the same production quality as SC2 tutorial videos I can find on YouTube for free. A little bit of production value can go a long way and help a user feel like they're getting their money's worth.
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L2P
all that stuff can be found for free on the internet.
lulz
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On October 13 2011 12:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
Like piano or violin or art or guitar lessons, StarCraft is taught by people who are better than you at it. You don't have to be Yo Yo Ma to teach cello, just like you don't have to be Idra to teach Zerg. It's rare you get to learn from the top 1% at anything, let alone at the prices most good SC2 coaches charge.
Fantastic cello teachers are almost always top class cellist. Greatest teachers today are Helmerson, gary Hoffman, janos Starker, etc, who all are the cello equivalent of Idra. You don't have to be Yo Yo Ma to teach, but if you are Yo Yo Ma, yhere are chances you will be a zillion time better teacher that your random orchestral player.
I can tell you that as a viola player, i have learnt more in an hour masterclass i had with Nobuko Imai that in dozens of hours with any teacher i had (and they were all great).
Just my two cents.
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Advancing from Masters to Grandmasters is impossible w/o full time occupation in Starcraft 2. It is a waste of time and not worth it.
I hope this saved a couple of lives for some schoolchildren.
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I subscribe to Day9's channel and I subscribed to these videos too. I guess I want to help esports and I want to get better at SC2, so two birds, one stone. I think the Hotkey site is a good idea. It's cheaper than paying hourly for good teachers like Hashe or Sterling. I'd love to get an hour's coaching from Idra, but he's too expensive.
And Hotkey is getting some decent subscription fees, so I think they'd be foolish to blow it on customer service failure.
One more point: A bronze or silver doesn't need an Idra. That person needs a Plat or a Diamond. A Gold would probably benefit from a teacher who was a master. The level of teaching you need is relative to your skill level I think. If you are in third grade you don't need a college topology professor, not even the best one in the world. You need a good third grade teacher.
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On January 13 2012 09:03 Kaoii wrote:Since this is still being advertised heavily and after having a friend actually subscribe to this site and use it, I wanted to make one more post here. You can get to a high level just by watching Day9, which is free. My friend described Hotkeyit as not having enough new content to justify the insane price point, and that issue is only compounded on their forum. These people are paying customers and they've literally gone three weeks without a response. For the price this site is asking, that's just insanely poor customer service. My friend posted on a forum thread concerning a video on how to hold the 1-1-1 asking for the replays of the games used in the video. He was completely ignored by the coach, but two weeks later when another player posted in the thread asking a question the coach quickly replied to him. Wtf? There's a right way to do sites like this and there's a wrong way to do sites like this. I think Hotkeyit.com is doing it very wrong. tl;dr - shitty customer service and shitty rate of new content at an insanely high price all for stuff you could get for free by watching day9. please think twice.
Just to follow this up, the same poster from this image has had a good amount of success since then: http://forums.hotkeyit.com/6/promoted-platinum-=-thx-guys/323/
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very nice improving esport
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I'll just play and learn. NUMBA ONE GOLD
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EPT
