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I didn't take the time to read all the replies but the ones I did read dealt with the cost vs quality and the "weak" coach list. I don't agree with the negativity surrounding those issues. This is a great idea for not only pro's, but high level players to earn some cash too. I'm all for bringing cash to gamers in hopes of one day anyone with skill being able to get paid to play games no matter what the game is.
Just because a coach hasn't finished in the top 20 of a pro tournament doesn't mean what they can teach a less skilled player is trash. Sure, while it is better to be coached by Idra than some random top 100 GM....the point is moot if the student is sub-masters. Am I right?
Also, great players spend a lot of time playing the game, to get better and win tournaments. People are trying to make a living at this. The cost of $27 is far too low IMO. You take into consideration the cost of the site, hosting, bandwidth, admins and then the coaches.....when it boils down to it its split between so many people that it becomes not worthy of anyones time.
The concept is great but I do think there needs to be a better way to generate more money for the coaches. That way it will actually be worthy of someone like MMA's time. I mean....if I finished 4th in a GSL I sure as hell wouldn't be making coaching videos for $27!
Maybe offer different tiers of membership? Make it similar to the ladder rank system for giggles. Bronze-Gold membership gives access to lesser known/skilled coaches, Plat-Masters gives access to more coaches and GM membership gives access to the "best of the best". Different membership ranks could also limit members access to certain parts of the site? Have a forums in which the members can chat with the coaches and limit which forums they can access based on their membership level. You can pay the coaches to check in once a day and shoot a video a week? Charge different amounts and offer to help coaches to advertise their 1on1 coaching? So long as the money goes to the coaches, I don't see what the problem is with paying any amount.
I see the site as being a great way for coaches to get off the ground and start making money. Anyone who supports e-sports should support the site. I'm not saying sign up! Hell, just help spread the word about the site if you feel its not worth your money.
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On November 11 2011 15:22 bulletbutter wrote:
I didn't take the time to read all the replies but the ones I did read dealt with the cost vs quality and the "weak" coach list. I don't agree with the negativity surrounding those issues. This is a great idea for not only pro's, but high level players to earn some cash too. I'm all for bringing cash to gamers in hopes of one day anyone with skill being able to get paid to play games no matter what the game is.
Just because a coach hasn't finished in the top 20 of a pro tournament doesn't mean what they can teach a less skilled player is trash. Sure, while it is better to be coached by Idra than some random top 100 GM....the point is moot if the student is sub-masters. Am I right?
Also, great players spend a lot of time playing the game, to get better and win tournaments. People are trying to make a living at this. The cost of $27 is far too low IMO. You take into consideration the cost of the site, hosting, bandwidth, admins and then the coaches.....when it boils down to it its split between so many people that it becomes not worthy of anyones time.
The concept is great but I do think there needs to be a better way to generate more money for the coaches. That way it will actually be worthy of someone like MMA's time. I mean....if I finished 4th in a GSL I sure as hell wouldn't be making coaching videos for $27!
Maybe offer different tiers of membership? Make it similar to the ladder rank system for giggles. Bronze-Gold membership gives access to lesser known/skilled coaches, Plat-Masters gives access to more coaches and GM membership gives access to the "best of the best". Different membership ranks could also limit members access to certain parts of the site? Have a forums in which the members can chat with the coaches and limit which forums they can access based on their membership level. You can pay the coaches to check in once a day and shoot a video a week? Charge different amounts and offer to help coaches to advertise their 1on1 coaching? So long as the money goes to the coaches, I don't see what the problem is with paying any amount.
I see the site as being a great way for coaches to get off the ground and start making money. Anyone who supports e-sports should support the site. I'm not saying sign up! Hell, just help spread the word about the site if you feel its not worth your money.
Nice ideas!
Anyways I have doubts about the quality of the overall content like many others. For example, in the video about stopping 1--1-1, it teaches you how to use a 3 WG. Yes a 3 WG could stop a 1-1-1 player, but what if he doesn't 1-1-1? As far as I know the best ways to stop a 1-1-1 all-in are to either 1 Gate expand or 1 gate robo expand. That's what I hear from pros.
There is a product out there called the Shokz guide, it is like a one time payment of $37 and that gets them infinite access to future updates, strategies, etc., even though I don't think they have videos (all text/pictures), so I think you guys will really have to up the quality of your website. With $27 a month, every video should be extremely concise, clear, crisp, etc., no "ums" from the speakers, no mistakes in the videos, outstanding examples and explanations, etc. etc., not something you think through your head in 5 minutes max and then make a video about it., or else I think a cheaper price would get a lot more profit (and more people = better forum/community).
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Nice project but not much advices for Toss ;(
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oh look, another debate on the commercialism of starcraft.
I'm glad we havent had this topic come up yet, whether someone should pay for lessons or if someone who's ranked 148th in america should charge for lessons.
People pay for hand jobs, let this be like that, it doesnt get you anywhere, but you enjoy it.
It's their money...
As for the 148th ranked US, probably 380th~ in the world giving lessons, meh, everyone who's good knows who they are and can privately chuckle and make fun of them. Then again, they are making more money from coaching and streaming than the person laughing ever could from winning tournaments...
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I love this site, brohans. I am a happy subscriber.
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cool, could be a very strong foundation for new players to build upon!
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I think this is a great idea for players that practice a lot and put in the work but don't see results and do not have the money for 1 on 1 coaching. While 1 on 1 is certainly better it is really limited on your financial situation. The free videos great for newbies but not for the average bronze or hold platinum maybe diamond for sure and masters hey if you wanna really be a GM get 1 on 1 if you can
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New set of free videos updated in the OP.
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Not good enough to make a living being pro so you thought youd try this? This is the excact same as that website Machine and incontrol have where they sell all their 'secrets' for like 200$, people who pay money for this are really said in my opinion
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how to advance in 'wood' league. I want to be like incholesterol and hatepro.
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I watched vVvRuFF's 4 rax reaper into double expand build since I play Terran, and I thought it was a very creative build. I have been looking for a way to put on early pressure while still getting my bio or marine/tank force behind it. I realize that this is RuFF's first video, so this is not a big deal, but the only thing that RuFF had a problem with was staying on top of everything that was going on as it happened. I think that he will definitely get better at this, as he already explains everything very well. The only thing I might have a problem with the concept of HotKeyIt is the fact that during coaching I can ask questions, however with the amount of videos on HotKeyIt there is likely an answer to my questions, and it's cheaper than coaching. Great job guys!
Thanks. I hope this feedback awards me a free sub =O
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On January 10 2012 07:00 iMMortaL.797 wrote:
I watched vVvRuFF's 4 rax reaper into double expand build since I play Terran, and I thought it was a very creative build. I have been looking for a way to put on early pressure while still getting my bio or marine/tank force behind it. I realize that this is RuFF's first video, so this is not a big deal, but the only thing that RuFF had a problem with was staying on top of everything that was going on as it happened. I think that he will definitely get better at this, as he already explains everything very well. The only thing I might have a problem with the concept of HotKeyIt is the fact that during coaching I can ask questions, however with the amount of videos on HotKeyIt there is likely an answer to my questions, and it's cheaper than coaching. Great job guys!
Thanks. I hope this feedback awards me a free sub =O
Every video has a thread attached to it. You can ask questions you had about the video there. We try to make sure all of those questions are answered by the video creator.
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People in Bronze, Silver, and Gold could learn for hours and hours from anyone masters or better.
Anyone who thinks they couldn't, truly underestimates the volume of stuff that goes into playing Starcraft. If you've ever had to give someone the play by play, from ground Zero. You would understand. It is at the very least, 10 hours that everyone who started playing could be acclerated by being taught and practicing it with someone better.
Critisizing the videos, build orders, counters- that is just silly. It would be fair to take people's money for teaching them what a build order even is, when to expand, gates/structures per base, counters, timings- you could go on for hours. Are these guys ready to coach Masters players? That is debatle. But Plat or below, there is NO question.
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free subscriptions for feedback or product placement on twitter? clever, this idea will succeed, good luck!
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EDIT - Sorry this is an old thread. I didn't realize I already posted something similar months ago so I'm wiping this one.
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On January 10 2012 07:00 iMMortaL.797 wrote:
I watched vVvRuFF's 4 rax reaper into double expand build since I play Terran, and I thought it was a very creative build. I have been looking for a way to put on early pressure while still getting my bio or marine/tank force behind it. I realize that this is RuFF's first video, so this is not a big deal, but the only thing that RuFF had a problem with was staying on top of everything that was going on as it happened. I think that he will definitely get better at this, as he already explains everything very well. The only thing I might have a problem with the concept of HotKeyIt is the fact that during coaching I can ask questions, however with the amount of videos on HotKeyIt there is likely an answer to my questions, and it's cheaper than coaching. Great job guys!
Thanks. I hope this feedback awards me a free sub =O
Yea, I'll take care of you. I'll send you a PM to get your info.
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Lol I remember watching RuFF play with that build.
Basically everyone hard countered him because they all knew he did it.
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I don't feel the coaches are AS good as some other places. However I do think people can prolly learn a thing or two.
Altho what you don't seem to get is that lots of people get coaching not only for the advice but also to get an hour or two 1on1 time with their idols. Don't go shitting on "usual" coaching because you are offering something different.
EDIT; Also I feel the price is a bit steep even if it is a whole month of content. Unless you put up new videos like 2-3 times/week it's simply not worth it since you call it a month of content but it's really just a few days worth. My apologizes if this is not the case.
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Not to knock this, but anyone who is actually going to pay for this...get a personal coach instead. Or, even better, just play the game and get connections that way. Also, Day[9] and streams. Day[9] and streams.
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