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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
January 04 2018 05:40 GMT
#36321
On January 03 2018 23:45 Requizen wrote:
I finished painting a thing

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

We need a 'like' button.

Tried messing with some dark shades of green on their weapons? With that vibrant of a color you could do some pretty sexy lighting.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 08:23:13
January 04 2018 08:21 GMT
#36322
On January 04 2018 08:56 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 02:55 killerdog wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42553818

This should be fun.

Apparently the kernel fix slows performance by like 30%

performance in some operations that have to do sys calls

Yea it's going to hurt activities like gaming very lightly. Benchmarks with the new Linux kernel already show close to no difference in FPS for most games. Not sure how much it will be affected on Windows but I doubt it will be bad. Definitely nowhere near 30%
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killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
January 04 2018 08:46 GMT
#36323
On January 04 2018 17:21 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 08:56 Frolossus wrote:
On January 04 2018 02:55 killerdog wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42553818

This should be fun.

Apparently the kernel fix slows performance by like 30%

performance in some operations that have to do sys calls

Yea it's going to hurt activities like gaming very lightly. Benchmarks with the new Linux kernel already show close to no difference in FPS for most games. Not sure how much it will be affected on Windows but I doubt it will be bad. Definitely nowhere near 30%

Sounds like the people who are going to be really pissed are the guys managing the microsoft/google/amazon servers.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
January 04 2018 09:17 GMT
#36324
On January 04 2018 17:46 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 17:21 TheEmulator wrote:
On January 04 2018 08:56 Frolossus wrote:
On January 04 2018 02:55 killerdog wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42553818

This should be fun.

Apparently the kernel fix slows performance by like 30%

performance in some operations that have to do sys calls

Yea it's going to hurt activities like gaming very lightly. Benchmarks with the new Linux kernel already show close to no difference in FPS for most games. Not sure how much it will be affected on Windows but I doubt it will be bad. Definitely nowhere near 30%

Sounds like the people who are going to be really pissed are the guys managing the microsoft/google/amazon servers.

Yea databases aren't going to be happy,
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
January 04 2018 14:12 GMT
#36325
On January 04 2018 17:46 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 17:21 TheEmulator wrote:
On January 04 2018 08:56 Frolossus wrote:
On January 04 2018 02:55 killerdog wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42553818

This should be fun.

Apparently the kernel fix slows performance by like 30%

performance in some operations that have to do sys calls

Yea it's going to hurt activities like gaming very lightly. Benchmarks with the new Linux kernel already show close to no difference in FPS for most games. Not sure how much it will be affected on Windows but I doubt it will be bad. Definitely nowhere near 30%

Sounds like the people who are going to be really pissed are the guys managing the microsoft/google/amazon servers.


Ya the major performance hit was always going to be more focused on the enterprise level, they even specifically mentioned cloud based operations in the article I read, so streaming services gonna get hit hard.

Conspiracy theories out the wazoo about how intel has known about this for the full decade but got paid by DoD and NSA to keep their mouths shut so they could use it as a spy tool.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 15:11:44
January 04 2018 14:58 GMT
#36326
On January 04 2018 23:12 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2018 17:46 killerdog wrote:
On January 04 2018 17:21 TheEmulator wrote:
On January 04 2018 08:56 Frolossus wrote:
On January 04 2018 02:55 killerdog wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42553818

This should be fun.

Apparently the kernel fix slows performance by like 30%

performance in some operations that have to do sys calls

Yea it's going to hurt activities like gaming very lightly. Benchmarks with the new Linux kernel already show close to no difference in FPS for most games. Not sure how much it will be affected on Windows but I doubt it will be bad. Definitely nowhere near 30%

Sounds like the people who are going to be really pissed are the guys managing the microsoft/google/amazon servers.


Ya the major performance hit was always going to be more focused on the enterprise level, they even specifically mentioned cloud based operations in the article I read, so streaming services gonna get hit hard.

Conspiracy theories out the wazoo about how intel has known about this for the full decade but got paid by DoD and NSA to keep their mouths shut so they could use it as a spy tool.

Either paid, or threatened :p

Didn't the last tech company ceo who refused to comply with NSA get himself audited to hell and back until they found something

edit: found this guy at least

Joseph P. Nacchio (born June 22, 1949 in Brooklyn, New York) is an American executive who was chairman of the board and chief executive officer of Qwest Communications International from 1997 to 2002.

He was convicted of 19 counts of insider trading in Qwest stock on April 19, 2007[1] – charges his defense team claimed were U.S. government retaliation for his refusal to give customer data to the National Security Agency in February, 2001.[2] This defense was not admissible in court because the U.S. Department of Justice filed an in limine motion,[3] which is often used in national security cases, to exclude information which may reveal state secrets. Information from the Classified Information Procedures Act hearings in Mr. DiNaccio's case was likewise ruled inadmissible.[4]

On July 27, 2007, he was sentenced to six years in federal prison, and after appeals failed he reported to Federal Correctional Institution, Schuylkill in Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania on April 14, 2009 to serve his sentence.[5] Nacchio finished serving his sentence on September 20, 2013.[6]
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 04 2018 15:19 GMT
#36327
On January 04 2018 14:40 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2018 23:45 Requizen wrote:
I finished painting a thing

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

We need a 'like' button.

Tried messing with some dark shades of green on their weapons? With that vibrant of a color you could do some pretty sexy lighting.

Source lighting is something I'd love to learn so might revisit them when I get a chance.

Got a few more things that'll get painted before the end of the month, hope to share them too!
It's your boy Guzma!
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5222 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 15:25:39
January 04 2018 15:25 GMT
#36328
Man, it feels like such a waste of time when you've been running simulations and then, because you forgot a single line, you need to process everything again. Not fun when some shit takes 2+ hours to run..
Taxes are for Terrans
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 04 2018 15:39 GMT
#36329
Personally I think it is more likely Intel has known for a while, but they wanted to be in a more dominant position for the $$$. It wouldn't surprise me if the DOD and NSA figured it out on their own much earlier.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
January 04 2018 19:40 GMT
#36330
On January 05 2018 00:39 zer0das wrote:
Personally I think it is more likely Intel has known for a while, but they wanted to be in a more dominant position for the $$$. It wouldn't surprise me if the DOD and NSA figured it out on their own much earlier.


Their dominant position is also a reason AMD doesn't escape this unscathed, because as I mentioned above AMD(and individual developers) have to do work to exclude AMD devices from the patch fixes(which are happening at the OS level), which is almost certainly because Intel has such a massive portion of enterprise marketshare that fixing it for intel chips the quickest/most effective way, AMD collateral be damned, is what happened.

And ya KD I guess saying conspiracy theory brings up notions of crazy people but these seem somewhat well founded, especially when considering other NSA related stories we've gotten in recent times. It's totally believable(although I have seen some people take it pretty damn far, but the base story of "let us design some hacker tools off the back of this and use them for a few years, you can also design a patch while it happens at the same time, win/win, fuck us over and you go to prison ok" seems totally in line with other government things that have absolutely happened before).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
January 05 2018 03:09 GMT
#36331
full list of intel cpu models affected by this
https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00088&languageid=en-fr
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-05 05:02:57
January 05 2018 05:02 GMT
#36332
On January 05 2018 12:09 Frolossus wrote:
full list of intel cpu models affected by this
https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00088&languageid=en-fr


So none of the i-series cores after Sandy Bridge are affected? That doesn't seem to mesh with the way info was being presented yesterday but it would be good news for sure.

Or do all of the later generations just fall under "Intel Core processor" namesakes even though they're i3-5-7-9?
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-05 05:37:15
January 05 2018 05:25 GMT
#36333
Yes, Sandy Bridge should fall under 2nd generation. Intel intentionally being obtuse to try to get people to think it isn't a big deal. Like why else would they list out i3, i5, and i7 separately at very specific architecture's, I've literally never seen them refer to them separately like that before (because they're just 1st generation processors under their nomenclature).

Here's a list of what falls under each label:

2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors: Sandy Bridge
3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors: Ivy Bridge
4th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Haswell
5th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Broadwell
6th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Skylake
7th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Kaby Lake
8th generation Intel® Core™ processors: I assume Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake (Cannon Lake isn't out yet.. so they should fix the issue by then? No guarantee though. Maybe this is why Cannon Lake was delayed until 2018, was supposed to be out in 2016 originally)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 05 2018 14:21 GMT
#36334
On January 05 2018 14:02 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 12:09 Frolossus wrote:
full list of intel cpu models affected by this
https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00088&languageid=en-fr


So none of the i-series cores after Sandy Bridge are affected? That doesn't seem to mesh with the way info was being presented yesterday but it would be good news for sure.

Or do all of the later generations just fall under "Intel Core processor" namesakes even though they're i3-5-7-9?

It looks like they're literally all affected.
Any intel processor I've ever used or considered using is on that list.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-05 23:30:11
January 05 2018 23:28 GMT
#36335
On January 05 2018 14:25 zer0das wrote:
Yes, Sandy Bridge should fall under 2nd generation. Intel intentionally being obtuse to try to get people to think it isn't a big deal. Like why else would they list out i3, i5, and i7 separately at very specific architecture's, I've literally never seen them refer to them separately like that before (because they're just 1st generation processors under their nomenclature).

Here's a list of what falls under each label:

2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors: Sandy Bridge
3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors: Ivy Bridge
4th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Haswell
5th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Broadwell
6th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Skylake
7th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Kaby Lake
8th generation Intel® Core™ processors: I assume Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake (Cannon Lake isn't out yet.. so they should fix the issue by then? No guarantee though. Maybe this is why Cannon Lake was delayed until 2018, was supposed to be out in 2016 originally)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core


That's what I thought, but the i3/5/7 being listed separately(and no i9 at all) had me buggin for a solid bit, like I was starting to second guess everything I thought I knew about intel CPUs.

Man shit do I refund my Coffee Lake while it's still in the period I could send it back no questions and go for a Ryzen? I know the performance hit for gaming looks to actually be negligible but at this point it's almost more about supporting AMD than worrying about some FPS.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 06 2018 11:00 GMT
#36336
That feel when you play Prince Keleseth three times on turn two. So troll.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 06 2018 13:55 GMT
#36337
On January 06 2018 08:28 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 14:25 zer0das wrote:
Yes, Sandy Bridge should fall under 2nd generation. Intel intentionally being obtuse to try to get people to think it isn't a big deal. Like why else would they list out i3, i5, and i7 separately at very specific architecture's, I've literally never seen them refer to them separately like that before (because they're just 1st generation processors under their nomenclature).

Here's a list of what falls under each label:

2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors: Sandy Bridge
3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors: Ivy Bridge
4th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Haswell
5th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Broadwell
6th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Skylake
7th generation Intel® Core™ processors: Kaby Lake
8th generation Intel® Core™ processors: I assume Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake (Cannon Lake isn't out yet.. so they should fix the issue by then? No guarantee though. Maybe this is why Cannon Lake was delayed until 2018, was supposed to be out in 2016 originally)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core


That's what I thought, but the i3/5/7 being listed separately(and no i9 at all) had me buggin for a solid bit, like I was starting to second guess everything I thought I knew about intel CPUs.

Man shit do I refund my Coffee Lake while it's still in the period I could send it back no questions and go for a Ryzen? I know the performance hit for gaming looks to actually be negligible but at this point it's almost more about supporting AMD than worrying about some FPS.


A major market share shift to AMD would be the best thing to happen to the CPU market really.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
January 06 2018 14:30 GMT
#36338
Ryzen 2 gotta hit on the asap.
Que Sera Sera
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 17:58:46
January 06 2018 17:58 GMT
#36339
Somehow i always forget about the confused "wtf you're a ninja hacker" stare you get when you help someone with their computer and use the command prompt for something.

Every time without fail.

I'm also pretty sure I will be helping this friend with everything tech related until I die. RIP.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 18:47:33
January 06 2018 18:46 GMT
#36340
On January 06 2018 20:00 iCanada wrote:
That feel when you play Prince Keleseth three times on turn two. So troll.

It's pretty stronk. If you have Sonya and they ignore the prince after you shadowstep twice its pretty hilarious.

for the record we're in christmasland but I did get this in a game once
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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