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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 30 2017 13:51 GMT
#33761
On June 30 2017 19:09 iCanada wrote:
I dunno. I ignored hearth because I was told it was a lame top casual game. But today I embraced being an old casual. Had fun.


How many games I gotta win though until people stop seeming like they actively trying to lose? And what kinda deck value I need to play ranked?


Depends.

Do you want to play ranked and soar up to legend? You probably need some considerable value. There'll be "cheap" versions of decks but for someone who literally just stated those will be a ways off.

Do you just want to muck around with decks you enjoy? All that matters is your attitude. You'll probably hover between ranks 20-15 for a long time but as long as you're just enjoying the games and not caring about your rank you'll have fun.

Either way I'd say figure out what kind of deck style you like first (control vs mid-range vs aggro, what kind of gimmicks you enjoy, etc.) and go from there.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 30 2017 14:39 GMT
#33762
I've tried to get a discard lock going - it's not awful and is really fun when it works, but not consistent enough to climb with
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 30 2017 14:42 GMT
#33763
BW Remastered preorders up. Nearly the time of the hype.

I hope we see more BW tournaments once it comes out, probably pretty likely.
It's your boy Guzma!
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
June 30 2017 14:54 GMT
#33764
On June 30 2017 23:42 Requizen wrote:
BW Remastered preorders up. Nearly the time of the hype.

I hope we see more BW tournaments once it comes out, probably pretty likely.

Well there's already a decent amount of tournaments with ASL/SSL/whatever.

The video was pretty cool.

'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 30 2017 15:01 GMT
#33765
1.18 completely broke broodwar for me and is still unplayable even now.

no clue if the remaster will be different enough to resolve the issues they've created.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 30 2017 15:02 GMT
#33766
Wait does Rogue have a slow start? Half their class specific cards let you 2 for 1. Must be sine broken ass shit in this game.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 30 2017 15:20 GMT
#33767
On June 30 2017 23:54 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 23:42 Requizen wrote:
BW Remastered preorders up. Nearly the time of the hype.

I hope we see more BW tournaments once it comes out, probably pretty likely.

Well there's already a decent amount of tournaments with ASL/SSL/whatever.

The video was pretty cool.

https://youtu.be/1BzNM2pyzW8

Yeah but there's a pretty noticeable lull between them. SC2 you can basically watch a competitive match at any time (of varying degrees of quality, of course), which is great, but I like both.
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 30 2017 15:32 GMT
#33768
On July 01 2017 00:02 iCanada wrote:
Wait does Rogue have a slow start? Half their class specific cards let you 2 for 1. Must be sine broken ass shit in this game.


Depends on the style of Rogue. Tempo Rogue is very aggressive and uses those 2 for 1 cards to establish board presence and just beat down the opponent. Jade Rogue can be very slow, though there are tempo variants. Mill Rogue is super slow, especially the deathrattle/N'zoth versions running around Wild, but it's a very rare archetype at this point thanks to Jade. Quest Rogue is fast or dead.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
June 30 2017 15:54 GMT
#33769
what bout Priest, I remember reading lots of Priest=dead stuff, still the case?
+ Show Spoiler +
I actually have a smart phone,
and generally an hour to kill a day at work, all that time I spent saying HS sucks, and here I am starting to play it rip
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-30 15:57:28
June 30 2017 15:57 GMT
#33770
somewhat but not really

there are gimmicky inner fire combo decks that exist


mostly just because shadow visions is a messed up card
A backwards poet writes inverse.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 30 2017 15:57 GMT
#33771
So... I design gas plants. I work at a company with a name close to a local utility company. Part of my job is doing technical consultations with customers to give budget numbers and such because our salesman are ill-equipped.

last 30 minutes of my life;

Him: Hi I'd like a utility hookup for next week.

Me: We don't do those...

Him: Haha! I live at XXX.

Me: No seriously we don't deal in utilities...

Him: Hahaha! My account is XXX. Here is all my personal information and keys to my identity.

Me: We don't deal in utilities, we fabricate gas plants.

Him: Ok, jokes not reallly funny anymore. So when you think you'll be by?

Me: ....

Rinse and repeat. Painful.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-30 16:10:15
June 30 2017 16:00 GMT
#33772
On July 01 2017 00:54 Sunaj wrote:
what bout Priest, I remember reading lots of Priest=dead stuff, still the case?
+ Show Spoiler +
I actually have a smart phone,
and generally an hour to kill a day at work, all that time I spent saying HS sucks, and here I am starting to play it rip


Priest=dead was a meme from two expansions ago. MSG added Drakonid Operative and Kazakus and Priest has been fine ever since.

The biggest problem for Priest in Un'goro has been Quest Rogue, but since that's getting a nerf the less aggressive Priest decks should do a lot better. For more details:

+ Show Spoiler +

Basically, Quest Rogue is a deck that demands you be able to kill it by turn 6, which is antithetical to most Priest decks. It's for that reason that the successful Priest decks have generally been Silence Priest and Face Priest. Other Priest decks do just fine against everything from Pirate Warrior to Secret Mage, but because they just flat out lose to Quest Rogue except in rare circumstances (even top players will go 2-12 in that matchup) they are functionally dead.

The Quest Rogue nerf eliminates the ultra-cancerous openers for the deck, and on average means there's an extra couple of turns in which to establish a board or draw vital board clears. A couple turns may not sound like much, but ti's probably enough that slower Priest decks can pull the winrate even, assuming there are even many/any Quest Rogues still playing.

I actually suspect that we'll probably see a Quest Rogue evolution, shifting from being about aggression to being a miracle variant. The eventual win condition will be to Prep/Vanish taunts or Eater of Secrets Ice Block, followed by dropping 5-6 charge minions.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
June 30 2017 16:21 GMT
#33773
Ok, to risk being that guy, my HS experience is 2-4 hours of playing with starter deck + a couple of arena runs like 2-3 years ago. Those are all words that sound cool but I don't have much context for what they mean, outside of the base classes
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 30 2017 16:22 GMT
#33774
God i so wish that BW video had Boxer smiling at the end instead of some random dude
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 30 2017 16:29 GMT
#33775
On July 01 2017 01:21 Sunaj wrote:
Ok, to risk being that guy, my HS experience is 2-4 hours of playing with starter deck + a couple of arena runs like 2-3 years ago. Those are all words that sound cool but I don't have much context for what they mean, outside of the base classes


To put it simply, Quest Rogue is a deck that if you don't beat it by or before Turn 6 you probably lose, which most Priest decks can't do. So most Priest decks struggle either because they keep losing to Quest Rogue, or because they're working against what Priest is good at in order to be able to beat Quest Rogue.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 30 2017 16:32 GMT
#33776
Rogue packs a bunch of removal usually. If you end up with backstab and fan in hand it can be pretty sad when your opponent doesn't really play any target, especially in the match-ups you want to be pressuring (mage for a time, for example, now they're the beatdown if they're playing tempo secret mage).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 30 2017 16:48 GMT
#33777
On July 01 2017 01:00 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 00:54 Sunaj wrote:
what bout Priest, I remember reading lots of Priest=dead stuff, still the case?
+ Show Spoiler +
I actually have a smart phone,
and generally an hour to kill a day at work, all that time I spent saying HS sucks, and here I am starting to play it rip


Priest=dead was a meme from two expansions ago. MSG added Drakonid Operative and Kazakus and Priest has been fine ever since.

The biggest problem for Priest in Un'goro has been Quest Rogue, but since that's getting a nerf the less aggressive Priest decks should do a lot better. For more details:

+ Show Spoiler +

Basically, Quest Rogue is a deck that demands you be able to kill it by turn 6, which is antithetical to most Priest decks. It's for that reason that the successful Priest decks have generally been Silence Priest and Face Priest. Other Priest decks do just fine against everything from Pirate Warrior to Secret Mage, but because they just flat out lose to Quest Rogue except in rare circumstances (even top players will go 2-12 in that matchup) they are functionally dead.

The Quest Rogue nerf eliminates the ultra-cancerous openers for the deck, and on average means there's an extra couple of turns in which to establish a board or draw vital board clears. A couple turns may not sound like much, but ti's probably enough that slower Priest decks can pull the winrate even, assuming there are even many/any Quest Rogues still playing.

I actually suspect that we'll probably see a Quest Rogue evolution, shifting from being about aggression to being a miracle variant. The eventual win condition will be to Prep/Vanish taunts or Eater of Secrets Ice Block, followed by dropping 5-6 charge minions.


Yeah, I've been trying to think about what decks I'll want to be running against Priest once Quest Rogue is nerfed. Secret Mage may still be the way to go, but god I hate running into Eater of Secrets.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 30 2017 17:06 GMT
#33778
I'm actually expecting the meta to shift considerably. Taunt Warrior will probably suffer because the primary reason it's the dominant control deck is because it was the only one which wasn't a complete blowout versus Quest Rogue, but against other control decks it doesn't do so well (especially jade decks). We might even see some Dinomancy Hunters because that hero power gets completely out of hand if you run out of removal.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 30 2017 18:14 GMT
#33779
Sunaj just play eternal
Better game and we being Canadians actually get it on mobile unlike those inferior beings down south
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
June 30 2017 22:41 GMT
#33780
I just got back from 9 days driving around camping and counting birds in the mountains.I missed music monday.



Also non-silence priest is still going to be real sad when jade druid once again rears its ugly head.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
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