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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
The thing that stands out most to me with the trailer, aside from the usual "oh they're using that kind of music again, arre we supposed to be impressed and hyped rather than bored and rolling our eyes?" is how much more action-oriented it seemed to be. Granted, there's action in the manga too, but most of it comes very late in the story, and even the earlier part don't appear from the get-go and they're pretty subdued. The good point about tonight's draft is that the winning deck ran Cruel Realities, Approach of the Second Sun, 2x Gideon's Intervention, Drake Haven, Rags // Riches, Lay Claim and some more jank stuff. + Show Spoiler + The lesser points are how I flooded super hard against it, drawing about double lands than spells, and milling one of my wincons with winds of rebuke. A couple times I was missing lethal by one life because he'd play another thing that'd blank what I'd been holding were I to commit. Of course Drake Haven turn 3 didn't help. Then game 3 it goes with an early Sniper and when I get rid of it it's just t4 Rags, then a sniper, cycles to kill 2 x/1s and I don't see a 5th creature while drawing more than half lands again. Round 2 has the deck grinding with unblockable creatures and my opponent mulliganing to 5 game 1. Round 3 my opponent plays Sultai ramp, I push damage but again I'm drawing over half lands. He plays Oracle's Vault and flips 5 permanents in a row, including Wrappings to shrink my Thresher Lizard the turn I'd finally play my last land in hand and be able to use its bonus. Then Lay Claim on my Ahn-Crop Crasher to prevent lethal the following turn. He's at 6, I have lethal on board from Slitherblade and the Minotaur Sureshot+Pathmaker Initiate (that I just played). So he casts Memory to redraw a hand, and he gets the Cartouche of Ambition from his yard that I dodged by bouncing its target earlier on. Goes on flying Shefet Monitor, heal for 8. Fucked over by random shit and topdecks and stuff like that all game long. Game 2 he's lacking in creatures so Ahn-Crop Crasher + cartouches + removal gets there. Game 3 he slams an Archfiend of Ifnir when my board is Crasher + Bloodlust Inciter and some 2/2 I just played. Only reason I win is because his following turn, lacking gas he tries to play Shefet Monitor instead of cycling it and I'd been holding a counter. Even then, he clocks me and I win with exact lethal when I drop a creature I'd been holding and exert the Crasher to remove his other blocker. Otherwise I'd have lost that game no matter what I'd done or how I'd played from the second he kept his hand. So basically over 8 games there were 4 where I did never mattered at all (maybe I would have had a better chance in round 1 had I attacked into the UW uncommon, Drake Haven and 4-5 open mana, but I had no way to know he didn't have a cycler in his big hand), then there was also the "mull to 5" game (which was closer than it looked because I was basically racing him with small unblocable stuff and trying to remove his Aven Initiates as he casted/embalmed them). I've been super salty tonight. I shouldn't have been, but after flooding (as in drawing between 55% and 65% lands in a 16-lands deck, considered over 7+ turns each time) in so many of my games and basically not played in a couple of them, combined with yesterday's draft and the final match that was literally me watching my opponent goldfish, I was frustrated to spend so much time just... sitting around in the end. I'll apologise to my opponents if I see them by the end of the week. Deck was basically steering R with Ahn-Crop Crasher and Entangler first 2 picks, knowing I picked the Entangler over Fanbearer / Unwavering Initiate / another good W common (binding mummy?) so going RW would be hard. G was evidently cut hard after a couple picks (turns out 3 sits to my right were BG, GRb, BG), and seeing U not exceptional but seemingly open I decided to try and go for a tempo deck, or spells if the archetype was available. And obviously still grumpy/salty from "U cartouche(s) always in starting hand and I draw no anti-fly tech at all" from yesterday. It turns out my neighbour thought himself almost mono-R despite me not passing much (early electrify, maybe an entangler, a late bloodlust inciter when a pack had 4 of its 6 cards in R), and his pack 2 was absurd, opening Dusk // Dawn, Honored Crop-Captain and Gust Walker. He picked the rare and I decided to speculate on W taking the Gust Walker and seeing if the RW would wheel, as even a single pack of W would be stronger than my current U (Hiero Illuminations, a U cartouche, a couple 3-drops and Decision Paralysis) if I could get other cards like this. Obviously he kept cutting W, as well as his own neighbour being the one my first pack put in W, so I stayed on UR, but I ended up passing another Honored Crop-Captain opened to my right pack 3, and cutting a Gust Walker mid-pack as it had nothing for me and I knew someone would use it to my left. The deck ended with Bloodlust Inciter, 2x Slitherblade (would have gotten a 3rd but that pack didn't come back to me), 2x Ahn-Crop Crasher, Electrify, 1x R Cartouche, 2x U Cartouche... in the end I cut all 5-drops to go for 16 lands, and only 14 creatures including 4 2-drops (really tight there, and a big issue of my deck). I could also tech with Pursue Glory, 2x Winds of Rebuke, 2x Brute Strength depending on what I expected, but whenever I sided stuff I either flooded lost without seeing the cards, or won in 5 turns off a Slitherblade / 2-drop -> Crasher dumb start, holding removal or another Crasher. I'd have won these games without the flood thanks to more pressure to apply (I was slow to close if I didn't get a U cartouche or several turns to send unblockable bears in, so one single additional turn of attacks early on or another creature for these turns I could swing in would save 3-4 turns down the line), but my opponents didn't have very stable decks either. The one with B trial and 2x B cartouches would have crushed me; I think I'd have beaten RW assuming decent starts from us both because I had more reach with the cartouches. Table only opened one magma spray so aside from getting that and the R trial (or ending up BR for the second part of Cut // Ribbons which would have ended any of the games I flooded in, or the 2 Merciless Javelineers I saw) I'm not sure my deck could have gotten much better though... maybe wheeling that Cryptic Serpent I opened pack 2, it'd cost 4-5 mana easily in my deck and just end games with a cartouche or a couple other creatures to make triple-blocking it impossible. | ||
Sunaj
Canada2041 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Dude walks in to the office with his son, telling us to do these exams and he wants sunglasses and to directly bill his insurance. He's in some sort of union-based plan so we couldn't directly bill, but we told him he can send stuff in and get reimbursed, people do it all the time. Cool, no problem. Son (who is early 20s) heads to the back room for pretesting (retinal photos and such). I'm in the exam room listening on and off periodically and as I listen he's getting more and more agitated while the front desk staff are trying to talk to him. So, the dude is very clear what he wants: no glasses, just a pair of sunglasses with no prescription. Sure, staff says, we can do that even though we haven't even determined if you HAVE any prescription yet, whatever, but problem is, insurance doesn't cover sunglasses if there's no prescription. They say to him, let's do the exam first and determine if you have prescription, and if you do it's easy to make up some sunglasses with prescription in them so you don't have to pay. Dude isn't having any of that. What the dude wants---no, starts DEMANDING--- for us to do (and this is where I walk out to try to help out the poor front desk staff) is to fill out this form for his union insurance, write in whatever prescription we find on the form, and then let him pick out a pair of sunglasses but not put the prescription in. So essentially, defraud his insurance provider. 'You just have to fudge the numbers a little bit.' Now, I know this sort of thing happens all the time, I used to work at an optical where they sort of hinted at me doing it but I always refused. I don't need to be dealing with that sort of thing. Not to mention in this case, I am an associate and don't own this particular private practice. I can't imagine the owner would be very happy with this sort of thing taking place. We speak to him very calmly and explain why we can't do this sort of thing. A lot of the time people who ask us to do this hear the explanation and go 'Oh, OK,' and then proceed to either take what we give them, or leave, deciding to look elsewhere. No, this guy needs to tell us how to do our jobs because clearly, we're doing things wrong. He says: "My dentist does this all the time! I brought in my nephew to get his teeth fixed and they made a miracle happen (I'm assuming because his nephew isn't actually on his insurance) and it was no problem." Sir, I could give two fucks less to what sort of insurance fraud your dentist commits. "Look, I've got $1600 that I decided to bring to this establishment because it's in the community, and this place looks nice. This is money that you guys could have!" At this point the son is done his pretesting. We kindly inform him he is free to do what he likes in terms of procuring himself a pair of sunglasses, but at the very least we can provide him with the eye exam he needs and he can take his prescription and fill it elsewhere. Seeing that we're not budging on this, dude takes his son and walks, telling us: "Well I see I made the wrong choice here, I didn't understand that you guys weren't going to do this." Didn't pay for the bit of testing we did for his son either. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Now I'm pretty pissed, because this family was booked for the end of the day and I was waiting around for them. I also see a certain amount of profit from exams done and glasses bought, so I'm also none too happy about losing out on that either. As I was originally typing this up the dude's wife walks in. "I have an appointment booked for 5:30?" LOL. So we very explicitly but very carefully explain what went on here earlier, telling her we understand that she'll likely be taking her business elsewhere. "Nah, my husband is a dick. I need to have my eyes checked, and I need glasses." Sweetest lady ever, continues apologizing profusely throughout the exam for her husband's conduct (which she truly doesn't have to do), and buys herself a pair of glasses, on her husband's insurance in all likelihood. Typing it all up now it doesn't make for a very exciting story (not that I ever promised it would be) but it still kinda made up for what was turning out to be kind of a shitty day. | ||
Gahlo
United States35158 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 30 2017 12:30 Gahlo wrote: It's always strange to me how two very, very different people like that end up together. I've seen some totally normal nice people have workers-are-servants mentality before. Hell my parents are kind of that way sometimes. People don't like the NPCs of their lives rejecting them. | ||
red_
United States8474 Posts
On June 30 2017 12:30 Gahlo wrote: It's always strange to me how two very, very different people like that end up together. Probably committed too early and 'grew apart' as adults. It's a cliche but it legit happens; I can sit here at 31 and think about who I thought would be the perfect wife material woman when I was 22-24 vs now. That or he is legitimately awesome at other parts of life and for whatever reason he just doesn't see his behavior here as wrong, and his wife is ok with letting it slide apologizing for him because she appreciates who he is outside of that behavior. It's not wrong to judge someone on the only sample you have, but it doesn't mean it's accurate either. | ||
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 30 2017 13:03 PrinceXizor wrote: I've seen some totally normal nice people have workers-are-servants mentality before. Hell my parents are kind of that way sometimes. People don't like the NPCs of their lives rejecting them. Maybe I've just been unlucky but I've found that people treat "the help" the way they truly think about people. Anyone I have ever seen be unreasonable with a waiter or something at some point turns around and does the same bullshit to me. Its just a matter of time / that person's patience / what they want that you become the help in their eyes and you get that same treatment. | ||
Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On June 30 2017 15:13 iCanada wrote: Maybe I've just been unlucky but I've found that people treat "the help" the way they truly think about people. Anyone I have ever seen be unreasonable with a waiter or something at some point turns around and does the same bullshit to me. Its just a matter of time / that person's patience / what they want that you become the help in their eyes and you get that same treatment. Maybe it's because you are too waiter-like | ||
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
lol what does that even mean? Also, i started playing Hearthstone for first time tonight. 2nd pack after like 10 minutes of play I open up Edwin VanCleef. Jesus what a bomb. Don't know anything about this game aside from random MtG concepts from years ago. But not knowing what I am doing with better cards is the freelo. VanCleef seems ridiculous with the tempo rogue can put out, based on my noob cards. My quick perusal of shit I can make from crafting; Cold Blood looks amazing, SI:7 Agent looks strong as hell, Questing Adventurer seems borked. Seems like I can just load up on low-mana tempo and board control cards (along with the innate board control from Knife), then keep a card advantage with all the rogue draw cards until you win from your tempo advantage or manage to hail mary a Questing Adventurer or VanCleef into a bomb that wins. Is this legit good, or are there even more broken cards / heroes? Haven't seen a single Druid, Shaman, Warrior, or Priest yet. | ||
Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Or demand he pays after you provide him services? I'm not sure what the exact triggers for dick-to-waiters disease is Miracle Rogue, which is what you're describing, is like tier 2 atm. Needs Gadgetzan though. Some Shaman variants, Murloc Paladin, Quest Rogue and maybe a few more are probably more powerful. | ||
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Damn. | ||
Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
and more controlly shaman variants just hex/devolve/volcano your dudes and you just lose if you don't have gadgetzan reload ready and murloc pally is just hilarious so yeah then there's miracle priest who can hypothetically get something like 28/28 on board at turn 4 with god draw but that's rare lul. There's a lot of really silly decks in HS. Pirate warrior is pretty decent too atm, though not nearly as much as it was few months back. | ||
Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On June 30 2017 18:44 iCanada wrote: There are more broken cards you say... Damn. i mean it's a game balanced around rng what did you expect i only wish we still had our lord and savior yogg now that was podracing | ||
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
How many games I gotta win though until people stop seeming like they actively trying to lose? And what kinda deck value I need to play ranked? | ||
Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
its the casual queue in a casual game go figure dont worry about ranked tho, it's free until like rank 10 or so no matter the deck most hs players are baaaaaad if you want to be top ranked, it'll probably take a while to farm the cards, but if you have preps and cleef you're basically done with a decent tier 2 deck, so it should be fine. | ||
Sunaj
Canada2041 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
iCanada, if you look at the hall of fame cards, Miracle used to play Azure Drake (like most decks) for the cantrip + spell power (improves Backstab so much) and Conceal. With how HS works questing Adventurers rarely survive if you don't play them later with a boatload of spells to put them out of range, and even then there's still Shadow Word: Death, Hex, Polymorph, ping+Execute, Sap, Aldor Peacekeeper, etc. to deal with it directly, Conceal let you avoid most of it Miracle sometimes run Arcane Giants (Giants = overcosted 8/8s with a situational discount attached, Arcane is the only one with a permanent discount so it can go to 0-2 easily for Miracle) and Sherazin, but both of these would be too much investment when you start. Note that you'll get a guaranteed legendary amongst your first 10 packs of any expansion, I dunno if it's live yet but when it is you can easily nab a couple this way. Miracle isn't as strong because you can have very slow start (typically against decks that don't really play the board early, 'cause you pack so much interaction), and once you go off you can empty your hand really fast if you have to go without an auctioneer. Now most cards are slightly overcosted bodies with "get a random card from your/your opponent's class" or "discover a card with some wide restriction" (eg. choose one amongst 3 random cards, with increased chances of higher rarity, and put it in your hand) and you just get run over if you play fair unless you go for super aggro to kill them before it matters (and then you autolose to taunt warrior or classes with a board wipe on curve). On the plus side, if you play these kind of decks you can use a boatload of cards you don't own yet as a new player since almost half of what you play will be random cards from your class' pool, so you still get all the shiny toys to blow your mind with! | ||
jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 30 2017 19:09 iCanada wrote: I dunno. I ignored hearth because I was told it was a lame top casual game. But today I embraced being an old casual. Had fun. How many games I gotta win though until people stop seeming like they actively trying to lose? And what kinda deck value I need to play ranked? Starting now will take some time to get the cards you need (especially if you're wanting to do so without spending money). I didn't play last expansion, so I'm suffering from not having some Mean Streets cards that I'd like for decks I want to play. But there's a fair amount you can do and substitute here and there for certain decks. Aggro hunter is a very cheap deck that performs pretty consistently. Miracle rogue is a really cool concept deck, but I'm lacking a handful of cards I'd need to make it really effective (including Van Cleef). Once Quest Rogue gets nerfed, the meta will get real wacky. | ||
mordek
United States12704 Posts
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